The worldmail list archive ending on 14 Jun 2001
Topics covered in this issue include:
1. Re: Worldmail Password Format
Randall Gellens <rg_public.1 at flagg.qualcomm dot com>
Fri, 4 May 2001 17:23:48 -0700
2. Re: Worldmail Password Format
Andrew Cyr <acyr at admin.seu dot edu>
Fri, 04 May 2001 21:16:53 -0500
3. RE: Worldmail Password Format
"Paul Webster" <paul at spidersweb.freeserve.co dot uk>
Sat, 5 May 2001 11:50:37 +0100
4. Re: Worldmail Password Format
Randall Gellens <rg_public.1 at flagg.qualcomm dot com>
Sat, 5 May 2001 21:52:44 -0700
5. Passwords
ebujan at rentokil-tps dot com
Tue, 15 May 2001 09:53:09 -0500
6. Active connections / Message Queue
ebujan at rentokil-tps dot com
Tue, 15 May 2001 09:47:27 -0500
7. Passwords
"Brian Augustine" <brian at meetingsplus dot com>
Tue, 15 May 2001 09:24:49 -0700
8. Re: Passwords
ebujan at rentokil-tps dot com
Tue, 15 May 2001 11:23:55 -0500
9. RE: Passwords
"Brian Augustine" <brian at meetingsplus dot com>
Tue, 15 May 2001 09:36:30 -0700
10. RE: Active connections / Message Queue
"Paul Webster" <paul at spidersweb.freeserve.co dot uk>
Tue, 15 May 2001 18:53:15 +0100
11. Export tools
ebujan at rentokil-tps dot com
Mon, 21 May 2001 13:25:36 -0500
12. aliases
"Ben Saren" <ben at atomicusa dot com>
Mon, 21 May 2001 14:49:15 -0400
13. RE: aliases
"Tom Kemp" <KempT at presearch dot com>
Wed, 23 May 2001 10:50:29 -0400
14. RE: aliases
"Ben Saren" <ben at atomicusa dot com>
Wed, 23 May 2001 11:04:28 -0400
15. RE: aliases
Dave Salovesh <salovesh at ramassociates dot com>
Wed, 23 May 2001 11:18:51 -0400
16. RE: aliases
"Ben Saren" <ben at atomicusa dot com>
Wed, 23 May 2001 11:30:34 -0400
17. RE: aliases
"Ben Saren" <ben at atomicusa dot com>
Wed, 23 May 2001 12:13:32 -0400
18. RE: aliases
"Chris Lander" <chris at altuscorp dot com>
Wed, 23 May 2001 09:10:07 -0700
19. RE: aliases
"Jefferson Scher" <jscher at carr-ferrell dot com>
Wed, 23 May 2001 09:09:20 -0700
20. RE: aliases
"Brian Augustine" <brian at meetingsplus dot com>
Wed, 23 May 2001 09:34:16 -0700
21. RE: aliases
Ian Homewood <ianh at stanley.co dot uk>
Wed, 23 May 2001 17:35:41 +0100
22. RE: aliases
"Ben Saren" <ben at atomicusa dot com>
Wed, 23 May 2001 13:03:13 -0400
23. RE: aliases
Dave Salovesh <salovesh at ramassociates dot com>
Wed, 23 May 2001 14:10:52 -0400
24. RE: aliases
"Tom Kemp" <KempT at presearch dot com>
Wed, 23 May 2001 15:23:27 -0400
25. RE: aliases
"Ben Saren" <ben at atomicusa dot com>
Wed, 23 May 2001 16:55:07 -0400
26. RE: aliases
Dave Salovesh <salovesh at ramassociates dot com>
Thu, 24 May 2001 09:07:25 -0400
27. Re: aliases
Jeffrey Posluns <scripter at secureops dot com>
Thu, 24 May 2001 09:39:55 -0400
28. RE: aliases
"Ben Saren" <ben at atomicusa dot com>
Thu, 24 May 2001 10:05:55 -0400
29. RE: aliases
"Ben Saren" <ben at atomicusa dot com>
Thu, 24 May 2001 10:05:58 -0400
30. Re: aliases
Jeffrey Posluns <scripter at secureops dot com>
Thu, 24 May 2001 10:38:16 -0400
31. RE: aliases
"Chris Lander" <chris at altuscorp dot com>
Thu, 24 May 2001 09:10:56 -0700
32. RE: aliases
"Brian Augustine" <brian at meetingsplus dot com>
Thu, 24 May 2001 09:16:13 -0700
33. RE: aliases
"Ben Saren" <ben at atomicusa dot com>
Thu, 24 May 2001 12:30:09 -0400
34. RE: aliases
Dave Salovesh <salovesh at ramassociates dot com>
Thu, 24 May 2001 12:49:48 -0400
35. RE: aliases
"Ben Saren" <ben at atomicusa dot com>
Thu, 24 May 2001 13:03:43 -0400
36. RE: aliases
"Paul Webster" <paul at spidersweb.freeserve.co dot uk>
Fri, 25 May 2001 09:41:19 +0100
37. Re: aliases
"Peter Martin" <p.martin at ies.uk dot com>
Fri, 25 May 2001 15:52:45 +0100
38. RE: aliases
"Paul Webster" <paul at spidersweb.freeserve.co dot uk>
Fri, 25 May 2001 19:55:28 +0100
39. RE: aliases
"Paul Webster" <paul at spidersweb.freeserve.co dot uk>
Fri, 1 Jun 2001 19:50:47 +0100
40. Windows 2000 Support
"Chris Lander" <chris at altuscorp dot com>
Fri, 8 Jun 2001 09:32:26 -0700
41. RE: Windows 2000 Support
"Ben Saren" <ben at atomicusa dot com>
Fri, 8 Jun 2001 12:42:21 -0400
42. RE: Windows 2000 Support
"Chris Lander" <chris at altuscorp dot com>
Fri, 8 Jun 2001 10:00:39 -0700
43. RE: Windows 2000 Support
"Ben Saren" <ben at atomicusa dot com>
Fri, 8 Jun 2001 13:10:44 -0400
44. Relay Problem
"John Kirchner" <jkirch at jumpsource dot com>
Thu, 14 Jun 2001 11:54:43 -0400
45. RE: Relay Problem
"Ben Saren" <ben at atomicusa dot com>
Thu, 14 Jun 2001 12:04:29 -0400
46. Re: Relay Problem
Johan Malmberg <johan.malmberg at nextlevel dot se>
Thu, 14 Jun 2001 18:04:10 +0200
47. RE: Relay Problem
"John Kirchner" <jkirch at jumpsource dot com>
Thu, 14 Jun 2001 12:05:43 -0400
48. RE: Relay Problem
"John Kirchner" <jkirch at jumpsource dot com>
Thu, 14 Jun 2001 12:09:08 -0400
49. Services Stopping
"Michael Smallwood" <msmallwood at mindseye dot com>
Thu, 14 Jun 2001 12:20:06 -0400
50. Re: Relay Problem
Johan Malmberg <johan.malmberg at nextlevel dot se>
Thu, 14 Jun 2001 18:19:53 +0200
Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 17:23:48 -0700
From: Randall Gellens <rg_public.1 at flagg.qualcomm dot com>
Subject: Re: Worldmail Password Format
At 12:43 PM -0400 4/26/01, Andrew Cyr wrote:
> I am trying to import some of my Worldmail user data into a Netscape LDAP
> database. nible.exe exports a "password" field and a "secret" field. The
> password field looks like crypt, but I am having problems using it as such.
>
> Does anyone out there know anything about the format of either of these
> fields, or, alternatively, whether there is a way to export the password
> field in clear text using nibl.exe?
These fields are encrypted (one is the password for user/pass, the
other is for AOP/CRAM-MD5) and there is no way to get them exported
in the clear.
--
Randall Gellens
rg_public.1 at flagg.qualcomm dot com
Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself only
Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 21:16:53 -0500
From: Andrew Cyr <acyr at admin.seu dot edu>
Subject: Re: Worldmail Password Format
I'm not trying to get them into the clear. My LDAP server may be able to import
them encrypted, depending on the type of encryption. I can't find documentation on
this.
Andrew Cyr
Randall Gellens wrote:
> At 12:43 PM -0400 4/26/01, Andrew Cyr wrote:
>
> > I am trying to import some of my Worldmail user data into a Netscape LDAP
> > database. nible.exe exports a "password" field and a "secret" field. The
> > password field looks like crypt, but I am having problems using it as such.
> >
> > Does anyone out there know anything about the format of either of these
> > fields, or, alternatively, whether there is a way to export the password
> > field in clear text using nibl.exe?
>
> These fields are encrypted (one is the password for user/pass, the
> other is for AOP/CRAM-MD5) and there is no way to get them exported
> in the clear.
> --
> Randall Gellens
> rg_public.1 at flagg.qualcomm dot com
> Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself only
From: "Paul Webster" <paul at spidersweb.freeserve.co dot uk>
Subject: RE: Worldmail Password Format
Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 11:50:37 +0100
Sorry Andrew - will not be possible like that.
They are encrypted using a private key - and will not be decodable by your
LDAP server.
Paul
-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Cyr [mailto:acyr at admin.seu dot edu]
Sent: 05 May 2001 03:17
To: Randall Gellens
Cc: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: Re: Worldmail Password Format
I'm not trying to get them into the clear. My LDAP server may be able to
import
them encrypted, depending on the type of encryption. I can't find
documentation on
this.
Andrew Cyr
Randall Gellens wrote:
> At 12:43 PM -0400 4/26/01, Andrew Cyr wrote:
>
> > I am trying to import some of my Worldmail user data into a Netscape
LDAP
> > database. nible.exe exports a "password" field and a "secret" field.
The
> > password field looks like crypt, but I am having problems using it as
such.
> >
> > Does anyone out there know anything about the format of either of these
> > fields, or, alternatively, whether there is a way to export the
password
> > field in clear text using nibl.exe?
>
> These fields are encrypted (one is the password for user/pass, the
> other is for AOP/CRAM-MD5) and there is no way to get them exported
> in the clear.
> --
> Randall Gellens
> rg_public.1 at flagg.qualcomm dot com
> Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself only
Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 21:52:44 -0700
From: Randall Gellens <rg_public.1 at flagg.qualcomm dot com>
Subject: Re: Worldmail Password Format
At 9:16 PM -0500 5/4/01, Andrew Cyr wrote:
> I'm not trying to get them into the clear. My LDAP server may be
> able to import
> them encrypted, depending on the type of encryption. I can't find
> documentation on
> this.
It's not a form that usable by anything else.
--
Randall Gellens
rg_public.1 at flagg.qualcomm dot com
Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself only
From: ebujan at rentokil-tps dot com
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 09:53:09 -0500
Subject: Passwords
Is there a bug related with the passwords?
Our users run OE 5.x and they usually have the option "save
passord" checked.
Every once in a while, I have to reset their passwords because
Worlmail is not accepting the one saved on their machines. After
resetting it, everything works fine.
I don't think is an OE issue because even if they don't retype it, it
works after I re-set it.
Elliott Bujan
MIS Dept. - Rentokil, TPS
847.634.4250 .x281 - www.rentokil-tps.com
From: ebujan at rentokil-tps dot com
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 09:47:27 -0500
Subject: Active connections / Message Queue
From time to time our queue shows messages hanging around for
hours (2, 10, 30hrs) to be sent in the queue, any reason?
This doesn't happen everyday although we had a period where
there were, maybe 10 or 20 of them. It wasn't a DNS issue
because not all of the messages stayed there and I was able to
resolve MX entries from the server.
Elliott
Elliott Bujan
MIS Dept. - Rentokil, TPS
847.634.4250 .x281 - www.rentokil-tps.com
From: "Brian Augustine" <brian at meetingsplus dot com>
Subject: Passwords
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 09:24:49 -0700
This happens to me, as well. I use Outlook 2000. Occasionally, the World
mail Server will tell me my password is wrong. If I wait a few minutes, it
will then accept it.
I have had this problem on every pop3 server I have used in the past 2
years.. Outlook or Outlook Express.
Hope that helps,
-Brian
-----Original Message-----
From: ebujan at rentokil-tps dot com [mailto:ebujan at rentokil-tps dot com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 7:53 AM
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: Passwords
Is there a bug related with the passwords?
Our users run OE 5.x and they usually have the option "save
passord" checked.
Every once in a while, I have to reset their passwords because
Worlmail is not accepting the one saved on their machines. After
resetting it, everything works fine.
I don't think is an OE issue because even if they don't retype it, it
works after I re-set it.
Elliott Bujan
MIS Dept. - Rentokil, TPS
847.634.4250 .x281 - www.rentokil-tps.com
From: ebujan at rentokil-tps dot com
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 11:23:55 -0500
Subject: Re: Passwords
have you checked their knowledge pages?
On 15 May 2001, at 9:24, Brian Augustine wrote:
This happens to me, as well. I use Outlook 2000. Occasionally, the World
mail Server will tell me my password is wrong. If I wait a few minutes, it
will then accept it.
I have had this problem on every pop3 server I have used in the past 2
years.. Outlook or Outlook Express.
Hope that helps,
-Brian
-----Original Message-----
From: ebujan at rentokil-tps dot com [mailto:ebujan at rentokil-tps dot com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 7:53 AM
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: Passwords
Is there a bug related with the passwords?
Our users run OE 5.x and they usually have the option "save
passord" checked.
Every once in a while, I have to reset their passwords because
Worlmail is not accepting the one saved on their machines. After
resetting it, everything works fine.
I don't think is an OE issue because even if they don't retype it, it
works after I re-set it.
Elliott Bujan
MIS Dept. - Rentokil, TPS
847.634.4250 .x281 - www.rentokil-tps.com
Elliott Bujan
MIS Dept. - Rentokil, TPS
847.634.4250 .x281 - www.rentokil-tps.com
From: "Brian Augustine" <brian at meetingsplus dot com>
Subject: RE: Passwords
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 09:36:30 -0700
No, never bothered. It wasn't a big deal to just hit cancel and wait 5
minutes for it to auto-check again.
-Brian
-----Original Message-----
From: ebujan at rentokil-tps dot com [mailto:ebujan at rentokil-tps dot com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 9:24 AM
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: Re: Passwords
have you checked their knowledge pages?
On 15 May 2001, at 9:24, Brian Augustine wrote:
This happens to me, as well. I use Outlook 2000. Occasionally, the World
mail Server will tell me my password is wrong. If I wait a few minutes, it
will then accept it.
I have had this problem on every pop3 server I have used in the past 2
years.. Outlook or Outlook Express.
Hope that helps,
-Brian
-----Original Message-----
From: ebujan at rentokil-tps dot com [mailto:ebujan at rentokil-tps dot com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 7:53 AM
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: Passwords
Is there a bug related with the passwords?
Our users run OE 5.x and they usually have the option "save
passord" checked.
Every once in a while, I have to reset their passwords because
Worlmail is not accepting the one saved on their machines. After
resetting it, everything works fine.
I don't think is an OE issue because even if they don't retype it, it
works after I re-set it.
Elliott Bujan
MIS Dept. - Rentokil, TPS
847.634.4250 .x281 - www.rentokil-tps.com
Elliott Bujan
MIS Dept. - Rentokil, TPS
847.634.4250 .x281 - www.rentokil-tps.com
From: "Paul Webster" <paul at spidersweb.freeserve.co dot uk>
Subject: RE: Active connections / Message Queue
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 18:53:15 +0100
Really need to see what was happening from the logs - and potentially from
ISOTRACE.
The software does put things on retry - so a queue "now" is probably the
result of failures a while ago.
Paul
-----Original Message-----
From: ebujan at rentokil-tps dot com [mailto:ebujan at rentokil-tps dot com]
Sent: 15 May 2001 15:47
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: Active connections / Message Queue
From time to time our queue shows messages hanging around for
hours (2, 10, 30hrs) to be sent in the queue, any reason?
This doesn't happen everyday although we had a period where
there were, maybe 10 or 20 of them. It wasn't a DNS issue
because not all of the messages stayed there and I was able to
resolve MX entries from the server.
Elliott
Elliott Bujan
MIS Dept. - Rentokil, TPS
847.634.4250 .x281 - www.rentokil-tps.com
From: ebujan at rentokil-tps dot com
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 13:25:36 -0500
Subject: Export tools
In the midst of switching from Worldmail to xx, does any of you
know any export tools and to which servers (Exchange, IMail,
sendmail, etc)?
Any experiences with this issue?
Elliott
Elliott Bujan
MIS Dept. - Rentokil, TPS
847.634.4250 .x281 - www.rentokil-tps.com
From: "Ben Saren" <ben at atomicusa dot com>
Subject: aliases
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 14:49:15 -0400
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Hi all, this is my first time using this system, I hope to get some good
feedback!
I would like to use mail aliasing in Worldmail.
By that I mean, if I have an account within a domain named BILL at whatever dot com
how can i get any email address NOT recognized as an account pushed to
BILL at whatever dot com?
So, if someone emails hillaryClinton at whatever dot com, or sales at whatever dot com how
can i get those emails to go to BILL? Those mailboxes above dont exist, but
they should still go to somebody! right?
Right now, i have it set for "all non deliverable mail should forward to
so-n-so." But that is only delivering the undeliverable mail message.
(e.g. - "the following message was undeliverable")
and ideas?
Thanks!
........................................
Ben Saren
ben at atomicusa dot com
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<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>Hi
all, this is my
first time using this system, I hope to get some good
feedback!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>I
would like to use
mail aliasing in Worldmail.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>By
that I mean, if
I have an account within a domain named </FONT><A
href="mailto:BILL@whatever dot com"><FONT face=Tahoma color=#000000
size=2>BILL at whatever dot com</FONT></A><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2> </FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT
face=Tahoma
size=2>how can i get any email address NOT recognized as an account
pushed to <A
href="mailto:BILL at whatever dot com">BILL@whatever dot com</A>?</FONT></SPAN></D
IV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>So,
if someone
emails <A
href="mailto:hillaryClinton at whatever dot com">hillaryClinton@whatever dot com</
A>, or <A
href="mailto:sales at whatever dot com">sales@whatever dot com</A> how can i get
those
emails to go to BILL? Those mailboxes above dont exist, but they should
still go
to somebody! right?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>Right
now, i have
it set for "all non deliverable mail should forward to so-n-so." But
that is
only delivering the undeliverable mail message. (e.g. - "the following
message
was undeliverable")</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>and
ideas?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>Thanks!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DL>
<DT><FONT color=#808080
size=2>........................................</FONT>
</DT>
<DT><FONT color=#808080 size=2><B>Ben Saren</B></FONT></DT>
<DT><FONT color=#808080 size=2>ben at atomicusa dot com</FONT></DT></DL>
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From: "Tom Kemp" <KempT at presearch dot com>
Subject: RE: aliases
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 10:50:29 -0400
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That's a very simple question. Obviously you haven't used Worldmail before!
If you right-click on the domain you want to add a user, alias, robot, etc.
to, you will get a menu with these options. If you select Alias, it asks
you for the alias name, then the actual account you want it to go to. That
won't reveal the destination account to people when they send you
email...only if your reply to it, and have your email reply address set to
the real address, and not an alias.
A word of caution: Aliases don't work if you disable relay for your server.
It will continue to work for emails sent from permitted IP's, such as your
internal network, but not for others. The best way to handle this is to
creat Groups instead of aliases. You would simply make the members of the
groups the actual addresses. I haven't tried it yet, but I'll bet that you
could put aliases into a distribution group and have the aliases set to
forward to an actual account, and have this work fine without relaying
enabled. It might be worth a shot..
Dennis T. Kemp II (Tom Kemp)
MCSE/CCNAv2/Program Manager
Control Concepts, Inc.
703-876-6418
Fax: 703-876-6416
KempT at presearch dot com
-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Saren [mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 2:49 PM
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: aliases
Hi all, this is my first time using this system, I hope to get some good
feedback!
I would like to use mail aliasing in Worldmail.
By that I mean, if I have an account within a domain named
BILL at whatever dot com how can i get any email address NOT recognized as an
account pushed to BILL at whatever dot com?
So, if someone emails hillaryClinton at whatever dot com, or sales at whatever dot com
how can i get those emails to go to BILL? Those mailboxes above dont exist,
but they should still go to somebody! right?
Right now, i have it set for "all non deliverable mail should forward to
so-n-so." But that is only delivering the undeliverable mail message.
(e.g. - "the following message was undeliverable")
and ideas?
Thanks!
........................................
Ben Saren
ben at atomicusa dot com
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<DIV><SPAN class=173364414-23052001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>That's
a very simple question. Obviously you haven't used Worldmail
before!
If you right-click on the domain you want to add a user, alias, robot,
etc. to,
you will get a menu with these options. If you select Alias, it
asks you
for the alias name, then the actual account you want it to go to.
That
won't reveal the destination account to people when they send you
email...only
if your reply to it, and have your email reply address set to the real
address,
and not an alias.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=173364414-23052001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=173364414-23052001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>A word
of caution: Aliases don't work if you disable relay for your
server.
It will continue to work for emails sent from permitted IP's, such as
your
internal network, but not for others. The best way to handle this
is to
creat Groups instead of aliases. You would simply make the members
of the
groups the actual addresses. I haven't tried it yet, but I'll bet
that you
could put aliases into a distribution group and have the aliases set to
forward
to an actual account, and have this work fine without relaying
enabled. It
might be worth a shot..</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<P><FONT size=2>Dennis T. Kemp II (Tom Kemp)<BR>MCSE/CCNAv2/Program
Manager<BR>Control Concepts, Inc.<BR>703-876-6418<BR>Fax:
703-876-6416<BR>KempT at presearch dot com</FONT> </P>
<DIV> </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Ben Saren
[mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, May 21, 2001 2:49
PM<BR><B>To:</B> Subscribers of WorldMail<BR><B>Subject:</B>
aliases<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>Hi
all, this is
my first time using this system, I hope to get some good
feedback!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>I
would like to
use mail aliasing in Worldmail.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>By
that I mean,
if I have an account within a domain named </FONT><A
href="mailto:BILL@whatever dot com"><FONT face=Tahoma color=#000000
size=2>BILL at whatever dot com</FONT></A><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2> </FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT
face=Tahoma
size=2>how can i get any email address NOT recognized as an account
pushed to
<A
href="mailto:BILL at whatever dot com">BILL@whatever dot com</A>?</FONT></SPAN></D
IV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>So,
if someone
emails <A
href="mailto:hillaryClinton at whatever dot com">hillaryClinton@whatever dot com</
A>, or
<A href="mailto:sales at whatever dot com">sales@whatever dot com</A> how can i
get those
emails to go to BILL? Those mailboxes above dont exist, but they
should still
go to somebody! right?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>Right now, i have
it set for "all non deliverable mail should forward to so-n-so." But
that is
only delivering the undeliverable mail message. (e.g. - "the following
message
was undeliverable")</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>and
ideas?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>Thanks!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DL>
<DT><FONT color=#808080
size=2>........................................</FONT>
<DT><FONT color=#808080 size=2><B>Ben Saren</B></FONT>
<DT><FONT color=#808080
size=2>ben at atomicusa dot com</FONT></DT></DL>
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From: "Ben Saren" <ben at atomicusa dot com>
Subject: RE: aliases
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 11:04:28 -0400
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Tom, I appreciate your email. However, there is in fact NO way to do what I
am requesting. According to Qualcomm, and many others... it wont work. I
know how to create an alias, thanks for your lesson.
I want a wildcard alias. So even if i dont have an alias for BILLCLINTON@
... mail will STILL go to a recipient. But, there is no way to do this. You
can with EIMS, but not with Worldmail. A real dissappointment.
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Kemp [mailto:KempT at presearch dot com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 10:50 AM
To: Ben Saren
Cc: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: aliases
That's a very simple question. Obviously you haven't used Worldmail
before! If you right-click on the domain you want to add a user, alias,
robot, etc. to, you will get a menu with these options. If you select
Alias, it asks you for the alias name, then the actual account you want it
to go to. That won't reveal the destination account to people when they
send you email...only if your reply to it, and have your email reply address
set to the real address, and not an alias.
A word of caution: Aliases don't work if you disable relay for your
server. It will continue to work for emails sent from permitted IP's, such
as your internal network, but not for others. The best way to handle this
is to creat Groups instead of aliases. You would simply make the members of
the groups the actual addresses. I haven't tried it yet, but I'll bet that
you could put aliases into a distribution group and have the aliases set to
forward to an actual account, and have this work fine without relaying
enabled. It might be worth a shot..
Dennis T. Kemp II (Tom Kemp)
MCSE/CCNAv2/Program Manager
Control Concepts, Inc.
703-876-6418
Fax: 703-876-6416
KempT at presearch dot com
-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Saren [mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 2:49 PM
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: aliases
Hi all, this is my first time using this system, I hope to get some good
feedback!
I would like to use mail aliasing in Worldmail.
By that I mean, if I have an account within a domain named
BILL at whatever dot com how can i get any email address NOT recognized as an
account pushed to BILL at whatever dot com?
So, if someone emails hillaryClinton at whatever dot com, or sales at whatever dot com
how can i get those emails to go to BILL? Those mailboxes above dont exist,
but they should still go to somebody! right?
Right now, i have it set for "all non deliverable mail should forward to
so-n-so." But that is only delivering the undeliverable mail message.
(e.g. - "the following message was undeliverable")
and ideas?
Thanks!
........................................
Ben Saren
ben at atomicusa dot com
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<DIV><SPAN class=169210215-23052001><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#0000ff size=2>Tom,
I appreciate your email. However, there is in fact NO way to do what I
am
requesting. According to Qualcomm, and many others... it wont work. I
know how
to create an alias, thanks for your lesson.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=169210215-23052001><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=169210215-23052001><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#0000ff size=2>I
want a wildcard alias. So even if i dont have an alias for BILLCLINTON@
... mail
will STILL go to a recipient. But, there is no way to do this. You can
with
EIMS, but not with Worldmail. A real
dissappointment.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=169210215-23052001><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=169210215-23052001></SPAN> </DIV>
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face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Tom Kemp
[mailto:KempT at presearch dot com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 23, 2001
10:50
AM<BR><B>To:</B> Ben Saren<BR><B>Cc:</B> Subscribers of
WorldMail<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: aliases<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=173364414-23052001><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff
size=2>That's a very simple question. Obviously you haven't
used
Worldmail before! If you right-click on the domain you want to
add a
user, alias, robot, etc. to, you will get a menu with these
options. If
you select Alias, it asks you for the alias name, then the actual
account you
want it to go to. That won't reveal the destination account to
people
when they send you email...only if your reply to it, and have your
email reply
address set to the real address, and not an
alias.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=173364414-23052001><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=173364414-23052001><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>A
word of caution: Aliases don't work if you disable relay for
your
server. It will continue to work for emails sent from permitted
IP's,
such as your internal network, but not for others. The best way
to
handle this is to creat Groups instead of aliases. You would
simply make
the members of the groups the actual addresses. I haven't tried
it yet,
but I'll bet that you could put aliases into a distribution group and
have the
aliases set to forward to an actual account, and have this work fine
without
relaying enabled. It might be worth a shot..</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<P><FONT size=2>Dennis T. Kemp II (Tom Kemp)<BR>MCSE/CCNAv2/Program
Manager<BR>Control Concepts, Inc.<BR>703-876-6418<BR>Fax:
703-876-6416<BR>KempT at presearch dot com</FONT> </P>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Ben Saren
[mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, May 21, 2001 2:49
PM<BR><B>To:</B> Subscribers of WorldMail<BR><B>Subject:</B>
aliases<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>Hi all, this is
my first time using this system, I hope to get some good
feedback!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>I
would like to
use mail aliasing in Worldmail.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>By that I mean,
if I have an account within a domain named </FONT><A
href="mailto:BILL@whatever dot com"><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#000000
size=2>BILL at whatever dot com</FONT></A><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2> </FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT
face=Tahoma
size=2>how can i get any email address NOT recognized as an
account pushed
to <A
href="mailto:BILL at whatever dot com">BILL@whatever dot com</A>?</FONT></SPAN></D
IV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>So, if someone
emails <A
href="mailto:hillaryClinton at whatever dot com">hillaryClinton@whatever dot com</
A>,
or <A href="mailto:sales at whatever dot com">sales@whatever dot com</A> how
can i get
those emails to go to BILL? Those mailboxes above dont exist, but
they
should still go to somebody! right?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>Right now, i
have it set for "all non deliverable mail should forward to
so-n-so." But
that is only delivering the undeliverable mail message. (e.g. - "the
following message was undeliverable")</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>and
ideas?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>Thanks!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DL>
<DT><FONT color=#808080
size=2>........................................</FONT>
<DT><FONT color=#808080 size=2><B>Ben Saren</B></FONT>
<DT><FONT color=#808080
size=2>ben at atomicusa dot com</FONT></DT></DL>
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From: Dave Salovesh <salovesh at ramassociates dot com>
Subject: RE: aliases
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 11:18:51 -0400
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You can set a "single mail box" domain, per
http://www.eudora.com/techsupport/kb/1882hq.html
<http://www.eudora.com/techsupport/kb/1882hq.html>
Apparently that process directs ALL mail in a domain to the mailbox you
specify, so I'm not sure if it will help you.
The KB note says "This process is unreliable and does not always work and
therefore is not recommended for general use." but I've done it a couple of
times without trouble.
--
Dave Salovesh
RAM Associates, Inc.
(202) 543-3635
-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Saren [mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 11:04 AM
To: Tom Kemp
Cc: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: aliases
Tom, I appreciate your email. However, there is in fact NO way to do what I
am requesting. According to Qualcomm, and many others... it wont work. I
know how to create an alias, thanks for your lesson.
I want a wildcard alias. So even if i dont have an alias for BILLCLINTON@
... mail will STILL go to a recipient. But, there is no way to do this. You
can with EIMS, but not with Worldmail. A real dissappointment.
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Kemp [mailto:KempT at presearch dot com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 10:50 AM
To: Ben Saren
Cc: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: aliases
That's a very simple question. Obviously you haven't used Worldmail before!
If you right-click on the domain you want to add a user, alias, robot, etc.
to, you will get a menu with these options. If you select Alias, it asks
you for the alias name, then the actual account you want it to go to. That
won't reveal the destination account to people when they send you
email...only if your reply to it, and have your email reply address set to
the real address, and not an alias.
A word of caution: Aliases don't work if you disable relay for your server.
It will continue to work for emails sent from permitted IP's, such as your
internal network, but not for others. The best way to handle this is to
creat Groups instead of aliases. You would simply make the members of the
groups the actual addresses. I haven't tried it yet, but I'll bet that you
could put aliases into a distribution group and have the aliases set to
forward to an actual account, and have this work fine without relaying
enabled. It might be worth a shot..
Dennis T. Kemp II (Tom Kemp)
MCSE/CCNAv2/Program Manager
Control Concepts, Inc.
703-876-6418
Fax: 703-876-6416
KempT at presearch dot com
-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Saren [mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 2:49 PM
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: aliases
Hi all, this is my first time using this system, I hope to get some good
feedback!
I would like to use mail aliasing in Worldmail.
By that I mean, if I have an account within a domain named
<BILL at whatever.com> BILL at whatever dot com how can i get any email address
NOT recognized as an account pushed to BILL at whatever dot com
<mailto:BILL at whatever dot com> ?
So, if someone emails hillaryClinton at whatever dot com
<hillaryClinton at whatever.com> , or sales at whatever dot com
<mailto:sales at whatever dot com> how can i get those emails to go to BILL? Those
mailboxes above dont exist, but they should still go to somebody! right?
Right now, i have it set for "all non deliverable mail should forward to
so-n-so." But that is only delivering the undeliverable mail message. (e.g.
- "the following message was undeliverable")
and ideas?
Thanks!
........................................
Ben Saren
ben at atomicusa dot com
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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=550570215-23052001>You
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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=550570215-23052001>Apparently that process directs ALL mail in a domain to
the mailbox you specify, so I'm not sure if it will help
you.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=550570215-23052001></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial
size=2><SPAN class=550570215-23052001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=550570215-23052001>The KB
note says "This process is unreliable and does not always work and therefore is
not recommended for general use." but I've done it a couple of times without
trouble.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<P><FONT size=2>--<BR>Dave Salovesh<BR>RAM Associates, Inc.<BR>(202)
543-3635<BR><BR></FONT></P>
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<DIV align=left class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Ben Saren
[mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 23, 2001 11:04
AM<BR><B>To:</B> Tom Kemp<BR><B>Cc:</B> Subscribers of
WorldMail<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: aliases<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV><SPAN class=169210215-23052001><FONT color=#0000ff face=Tahoma
size=2>Tom, I appreciate your email. However, there is in fact NO way to do
what I am requesting. According to Qualcomm, and many others... it wont work.
I know how to create an alias, thanks for your lesson.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=169210215-23052001><FONT color=#0000ff face=Tahoma
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=169210215-23052001><FONT color=#0000ff face=Tahoma size=2>I
want a wildcard alias. So even if i dont have an alias for BILLCLINTON@ ...
mail will STILL go to a recipient. But, there is no way to do this. You can
with EIMS, but not with Worldmail. A real dissappointment.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=169210215-23052001><FONT color=#0000ff face=Tahoma
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=169210215-23052001></SPAN> </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV align=left class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Tom Kemp
[mailto:KempT at presearch dot com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 23, 2001 10:50
AM<BR><B>To:</B> Ben Saren<BR><B>Cc:</B> Subscribers of
WorldMail<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: aliases<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=173364414-23052001><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial
size=2>That's a very simple question. Obviously you haven't used
Worldmail before! If you right-click on the domain you want to add a
user, alias, robot, etc. to, you will get a menu with these options.
If you select Alias, it asks you for the alias name, then the actual account
you want it to go to. That won't reveal the destination account to
people when they send you email...only if your reply to it, and have your
email reply address set to the real address, and not an
alias.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=173364414-23052001><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=173364414-23052001><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2>A
word of caution: Aliases don't work if you disable relay for your
server. It will continue to work for emails sent from permitted IP's,
such as your internal network, but not for others. The best way to
handle this is to creat Groups instead of aliases. You would simply
make the members of the groups the actual addresses. I haven't tried
it yet, but I'll bet that you could put aliases into a distribution group
and have the aliases set to forward to an actual account, and have this work
fine without relaying enabled. It might be worth a
shot..</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<P><FONT size=2>Dennis T. Kemp II (Tom Kemp)<BR>MCSE/CCNAv2/Program
Manager<BR>Control Concepts, Inc.<BR>703-876-6418<BR>Fax:
703-876-6416<BR>KempT at presearch dot com</FONT> </P>
<DIV> </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Ben Saren
[mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, May 21, 2001 2:49
PM<BR><B>To:</B> Subscribers of WorldMail<BR><B>Subject:</B>
aliases<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>Hi all, this
is my first time using this system, I hope to get some good
feedback!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>I would like
to use mail aliasing in Worldmail.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>By that I
mean, if I have an account within a domain named </FONT><A
href="mailto:BILL@whatever dot com"><FONT color=#000000 face=Tahoma
size=2>BILL at whatever dot com</FONT></A><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2> </FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2>how can i get any email address NOT recognized as an
account pushed to <A
href="mailto:BILL at whatever dot com">BILL@whatever dot com</A>?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>So, if
someone emails <A
href="mailto:hillaryClinton at whatever dot com">hillaryClinton@whatever dot com</A>,
or <A href="mailto:sales at whatever dot com">sales@whatever dot com</A> how can i
get those emails to go to BILL? Those mailboxes above dont exist, but they
should still go to somebody! right?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>Right now, i
have it set for "all non deliverable mail should forward to so-n-so." But
that is only delivering the undeliverable mail message. (e.g. - "the
following message was undeliverable")</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>and
ideas?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>Thanks!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DL>
<DT><FONT color=#808080
size=2>........................................</FONT>
<DT><FONT color=#808080 size=2><B>Ben Saren</B></FONT>
<DT><FONT color=#808080 size=2>ben at atomicusa dot com</FONT></DT></DL>
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From: "Ben Saren" <ben at atomicusa dot com>
Subject: RE: aliases
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 11:30:34 -0400
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Okay, BUT...
Lets say there is NO MAILBOX OR ALIAS for GORBECHEV at mydomain dot com .... and I
want to receive that message. LIke in EIMS, and other mail servers apps, ALL
mail that comes in to an address that DOES NOT EXIST on the system to
forward to one that does. Its not a hard concept, and I would think that
Worldmail would do it... seeing as their nearly-free product DOES do it!
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Salovesh [mailto:salovesh at ramassociates dot com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 11:19 AM
To: 'Ben Saren'
Cc: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: aliases
You can set a "single mail box" domain, per
http://www.eudora.com/techsupport/kb/1882hq.html
Apparently that process directs ALL mail in a domain to the mailbox you
specify, so I'm not sure if it will help you.
The KB note says "This process is unreliable and does not always work and
therefore is not recommended for general use." but I've done it a couple of
times without trouble.
--
Dave Salovesh
RAM Associates, Inc.
(202) 543-3635
-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Saren [mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 11:04 AM
To: Tom Kemp
Cc: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: aliases
Tom, I appreciate your email. However, there is in fact NO way to do
what I am requesting. According to Qualcomm, and many others... it wont
work. I know how to create an alias, thanks for your lesson.
I want a wildcard alias. So even if i dont have an alias for
BILLCLINTON@ ... mail will STILL go to a recipient. But, there is no way to
do this. You can with EIMS, but not with Worldmail. A real dissappointment.
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Kemp [mailto:KempT at presearch dot com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 10:50 AM
To: Ben Saren
Cc: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: aliases
That's a very simple question. Obviously you haven't used Worldmail
before! If you right-click on the domain you want to add a user, alias,
robot, etc. to, you will get a menu with these options. If you select
Alias, it asks you for the alias name, then the actual account you want it
to go to. That won't reveal the destination account to people when they
send you email...only if your reply to it, and have your email reply address
set to the real address, and not an alias.
A word of caution: Aliases don't work if you disable relay for your
server. It will continue to work for emails sent from permitted IP's, such
as your internal network, but not for others. The best way to handle this
is to creat Groups instead of aliases. You would simply make the members of
the groups the actual addresses. I haven't tried it yet, but I'll bet that
you could put aliases into a distribution group and have the aliases set to
forward to an actual account, and have this work fine without relaying
enabled. It might be worth a shot..
Dennis T. Kemp II (Tom Kemp)
MCSE/CCNAv2/Program Manager
Control Concepts, Inc.
703-876-6418
Fax: 703-876-6416
KempT at presearch dot com
-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Saren [mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 2:49 PM
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: aliases
Hi all, this is my first time using this system, I hope to get some
good feedback!
I would like to use mail aliasing in Worldmail.
By that I mean, if I have an account within a domain named
BILL at whatever dot com how can i get any email address NOT recognized as an
account pushed to BILL at whatever dot com?
So, if someone emails hillaryClinton at whatever dot com, or
sales at whatever dot com how can i get those emails to go to BILL? Those mailboxes
above dont exist, but they should still go to somebody! right?
Right now, i have it set for "all non deliverable mail should
forward to so-n-so." But that is only delivering the undeliverable mail
message. (e.g. - "the following message was undeliverable")
and ideas?
Thanks!
........................................
Ben Saren
ben at atomicusa dot com
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<DIV><SPAN class=018022715-23052001><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#0000ff size=2>Okay,
BUT...</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=018022715-23052001><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=018022715-23052001><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#0000ff size=2>Lets
say there is NO MAILBOX OR ALIAS for GORBECHEV at mydomain dot com .... and I
want to
receive that message. LIke in EIMS, and other mail servers apps, ALL
mail that
comes in to an address that DOES NOT EXIST on the system to forward to
one that
does. Its not a hard concept, and I would think that Worldmail would do
it...
seeing as their nearly-free product DOES do it!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=018022715-23052001><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#0000ff
size=2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT
face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Dave Salovesh
[mailto:salovesh at ramassociates dot com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 23,
2001
11:19 AM<BR><B>To:</B> 'Ben Saren'<BR><B>Cc:</B> Subscribers of
WorldMail<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: aliases<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=550570215-23052001>You
can set a "single mail box" domain, per <A
href="http://www.eudora.com/techsupport/kb/1882hq.html">http://www.eudo
ra.com/techsupport/kb/1882hq.html</A></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=550570215-23052001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=550570215-23052001>Apparently that process directs ALL mail in
a domain
to the mailbox you specify, so I'm not sure if it will help
you.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=550570215-23052001></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff
size=2><SPAN class=550570215-23052001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=550570215-23052001>The
KB note says "This process is unreliable and does not always work and
therefore is not recommended for general use." but I've done it a
couple of
times without trouble.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<P><FONT size=2>--<BR>Dave Salovesh<BR>RAM Associates, Inc.<BR>(202)
543-3635<BR><BR></FONT></P>
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solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT
face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Ben Saren
[mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 23, 2001
11:04
AM<BR><B>To:</B> Tom Kemp<BR><B>Cc:</B> Subscribers of
WorldMail<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: aliases<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV><SPAN class=169210215-23052001><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#0000ff
size=2>Tom, I appreciate your email. However, there is in fact NO
way to do
what I am requesting. According to Qualcomm, and many others... it
wont
work. I know how to create an alias, thanks for your
lesson.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=169210215-23052001><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=169210215-23052001><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#0000ff size=2>I
want a wildcard alias. So even if i dont have an alias for
BILLCLINTON@ ...
mail will STILL go to a recipient. But, there is no way to do this.
You can
with EIMS, but not with Worldmail. A real
dissappointment.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=169210215-23052001><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=169210215-23052001></SPAN> </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT
face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Tom Kemp
[mailto:KempT at presearch dot com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 23,
2001 10:50
AM<BR><B>To:</B> Ben Saren<BR><B>Cc:</B> Subscribers of
WorldMail<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: aliases<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=173364414-23052001><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff
size=2>That's a very simple question. Obviously you
haven't used
Worldmail before! If you right-click on the domain you want
to add a
user, alias, robot, etc. to, you will get a menu with these
options.
If you select Alias, it asks you for the alias name, then the
actual
account you want it to go to. That won't reveal the
destination
account to people when they send you email...only if your reply to
it, and
have your email reply address set to the real address, and
not an
alias.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=173364414-23052001><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=173364414-23052001><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff
size=2>A word of caution: Aliases don't work if you
disable relay
for your server. It will continue to work for emails sent
from
permitted IP's, such as your internal network, but not for
others.
The best way to handle this is to creat Groups instead of
aliases.
You would simply make the members of the groups the actual
addresses. I haven't tried it yet, but I'll bet that you
could put
aliases into a distribution group and have the aliases set to
forward to
an actual account, and have this work fine without relaying
enabled.
It might be worth a shot..</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<P><FONT size=2>Dennis T. Kemp II (Tom
Kemp)<BR>MCSE/CCNAv2/Program
Manager<BR>Control Concepts, Inc.<BR>703-876-6418<BR>Fax:
703-876-6416<BR>KempT at presearch dot com</FONT> </P>
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<BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Ben Saren
[mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, May 21, 2001
2:49
PM<BR><B>To:</B> Subscribers of WorldMail<BR><B>Subject:</B>
aliases<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>Hi all,
this is my first time using this system, I hope to get some good
feedback!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>I would
like to use mail aliasing in Worldmail.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>By that I
mean, if I have an account within a domain named </FONT><A
href="mailto:BILL@whatever dot com"><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#000000
size=2>BILL at whatever dot com</FONT></A><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2> </FONT></SPAN><SPAN
class=520354518-21052001><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2>how can i get any email address NOT
recognized as an
account pushed to <A
href="mailto:BILL at whatever dot com">BILL@whatever dot com</A>?</FONT></SPAN></D
IV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>So, if
someone emails <A
href="mailto:hillaryClinton at whatever dot com">hillaryClinton@whatever dot com</
A>,
or <A href="mailto:sales at whatever dot com">sales@whatever dot com</A>
how can i
get those emails to go to BILL? Those mailboxes above dont
exist, but
they should still go to somebody! right?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>Right now,
i have it set for "all non deliverable mail should forward to
so-n-so."
But that is only delivering the undeliverable mail message.
(e.g. - "the
following message was undeliverable")</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>and
ideas?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>Thanks!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DL>
<DT><FONT color=#808080
size=2>........................................</FONT>
<DT><FONT color=#808080 size=2><B>Ben Saren</B></FONT>
<DT><FONT color=#808080
size=2>ben at atomicusa dot com</FONT></DT></DL>
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From: "Ben Saren" <ben at atomicusa dot com>
Subject: RE: aliases
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 12:13:32 -0400
I agree. That feature is only half of what i need. Its only good for junk
mail, thats right. And it only pushes the undeliverable email message thru
as an attachment, so my clients wouldnt like that very much. Oh well..
-----Original Message-----
From: Jefferson Scher [mailto:jscher at carr-ferrell dot com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 12:09 PM
To: 'Ben Saren'
Cc: 'Subscribers of WorldMail'
Subject: RE: aliases
Ben Saren wrote:
> Right now, i have it set for "all non deliverable mail should forward
> to so-n-so." But that is only delivering the undeliverable mail
> message. (e.g. - "the following message was undeliverable")
Ours had the original message as an attachment (client was Outlook Express
5.x), and this appeared to be quite reliable. However, due to huge volumes
of junk mail sent to former employees, as well as delays in reviewing the
undeliverable mail, we no longer attempt to capture it and just let it
bounce back.
-Jefferson
From: "Chris Lander" <chris at altuscorp dot com>
Subject: RE: aliases
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 09:10:07 -0700
When undeliverable messages get delivered to me, the actual message is
included as an attachment. I realize this isn't exactly what you're looking
for, but it's better than nothing. I'm not sure exactly where in the
administration control panel you set this up, but you'll probably find it.
+---------------------------------------------------------+
Chris Lander Altus Learning Systems, Inc.
chris at altuscorp dot com (408) 210-7409
+---------------------------------------------------------+
-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Saren [mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 08:31
To: Dave Salovesh
Cc: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: aliases
Okay, BUT...
Lets say there is NO MAILBOX OR ALIAS for GORBECHEV at mydomain dot com .... and I
want to receive that message. LIke in EIMS, and other mail servers apps, ALL
mail that comes in to an address that DOES NOT EXIST on the system to
forward to one that does. Its not a hard concept, and I would think that
Worldmail would do it... seeing as their nearly-free product DOES do it!
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Salovesh [mailto:salovesh at ramassociates dot com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 11:19 AM
To: 'Ben Saren'
Cc: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: aliases
You can set a "single mail box" domain, per
http://www.eudora.com/techsupport/kb/1882hq.html
Apparently that process directs ALL mail in a domain to the mailbox you
specify, so I'm not sure if it will help you.
The KB note says "This process is unreliable and does not always work and
therefore is not recommended for general use." but I've done it a couple of
times without trouble.
--
Dave Salovesh
RAM Associates, Inc.
(202) 543-3635
-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Saren [mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 11:04 AM
To: Tom Kemp
Cc: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: aliases
Tom, I appreciate your email. However, there is in fact NO way to do what I
am requesting. According to Qualcomm, and many others... it wont work. I
know how to create an alias, thanks for your lesson.
I want a wildcard alias. So even if i dont have an alias for BILLCLINTON@
... mail will STILL go to a recipient. But, there is no way to do this. You
can with EIMS, but not with Worldmail. A real dissappointment.
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Kemp [mailto:KempT at presearch dot com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 10:50 AM
To: Ben Saren
Cc: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: aliases
That's a very simple question. Obviously you haven't used Worldmail before!
If you right-click on the domain you want to add a user, alias, robot, etc.
to, you will get a menu with these options. If you select Alias, it asks
you for the alias name, then the actual account you want it to go to. That
won't reveal the destination account to people when they send you
email...only if your reply to it, and have your email reply address set to
the real address, and not an alias.
A word of caution: Aliases don't work if you disable relay for your server.
It will continue to work for emails sent from permitted IP's, such as your
internal network, but not for others. The best way to handle this is to
creat Groups instead of aliases. You would simply make the members of the
groups the actual addresses. I haven't tried it yet, but I'll bet that you
could put aliases into a distribution group and have the aliases set to
forward to an actual account, and have this work fine without relaying
enabled. It might be worth a shot..
Dennis T. Kemp II (Tom Kemp)
MCSE/CCNAv2/Program Manager
Control Concepts, Inc.
703-876-6418
Fax: 703-876-6416
KempT at presearch dot com
-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Saren [mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 2:49 PM
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: aliases
Hi all, this is my first time using this system, I hope to get some good
feedback!
I would like to use mail aliasing in Worldmail.
By that I mean, if I have an account within a domain named BILL at whatever dot com
how can i get any email address NOT recognized as an account pushed to
BILL at whatever dot com?
So, if someone emails hillaryClinton at whatever dot com, or sales at whatever dot com how
can i get those emails to go to BILL? Those mailboxes above dont exist, but
they should still go to somebody! right?
Right now, i have it set for "all non deliverable mail should forward to
so-n-so." But that is only delivering the undeliverable mail message.
(e.g. - "the following message was undeliverable")
and ideas?
Thanks!
........................................
Ben Saren
ben at atomicusa dot com
From: "Jefferson Scher" <jscher at carr-ferrell dot com>
Subject: RE: aliases
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 09:09:20 -0700
Ben Saren wrote:
> Right now, i have it set for "all non deliverable mail should forward
> to so-n-so." But that is only delivering the undeliverable mail
> message. (e.g. - "the following message was undeliverable")
Ours had the original message as an attachment (client was Outlook Express
5.x), and this appeared to be quite reliable. However, due to huge volumes
of junk mail sent to former employees, as well as delays in reviewing the
undeliverable mail, we no longer attempt to capture it and just let it
bounce back.
-Jefferson
From: "Brian Augustine" <brian at meetingsplus dot com>
Subject: RE: aliases
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 09:34:16 -0700
I am currently checking all of the undeliverable incoming mail - and its
true, a lot of it is junk mail for old employees.
Worldmail supports "inactive" users, that rejects mail sent to them. That
is one way to weed out a lot of the junkmail.
-Brian
-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Saren [mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 9:14 AM
To: jscher at carr-ferrell dot com
Cc: 'Subscribers of WorldMail'
Subject: RE: aliases
I agree. That feature is only half of what i need. Its only good for junk
mail, thats right. And it only pushes the undeliverable email message thru
as an attachment, so my clients wouldnt like that very much. Oh well..
-----Original Message-----
From: Jefferson Scher [mailto:jscher at carr-ferrell dot com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 12:09 PM
To: 'Ben Saren'
Cc: 'Subscribers of WorldMail'
Subject: RE: aliases
Ben Saren wrote:
> Right now, i have it set for "all non deliverable mail should forward
> to so-n-so." But that is only delivering the undeliverable mail
> message. (e.g. - "the following message was undeliverable")
Ours had the original message as an attachment (client was Outlook Express
5.x), and this appeared to be quite reliable. However, due to huge volumes
of junk mail sent to former employees, as well as delays in reviewing the
undeliverable mail, we no longer attempt to capture it and just let it
bounce back.
-Jefferson
From: Ian Homewood <ianh at stanley.co dot uk>
Subject: RE: aliases
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 17:35:41 +0100
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this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.
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If you right click on your local domain and select configure domain, you can
enter a mailbox to which all undeliverable mail is forwarded. We use this
and have no problems with it whatsoever.
Ian
-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Saren [mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 16:31
To: Dave Salovesh
Cc: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: aliases
Okay, BUT...
Lets say there is NO MAILBOX OR ALIAS for GORBECHEV at mydomain dot com .... and I
want to receive that message. LIke in EIMS, and other mail servers apps, ALL
mail that comes in to an address that DOES NOT EXIST on the system to
forward to one that does. Its not a hard concept, and I would think that
Worldmail would do it... seeing as their nearly-free product DOES do it!
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Salovesh [mailto:salovesh at ramassociates dot com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 11:19 AM
To: 'Ben Saren'
Cc: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: aliases
You can set a "single mail box" domain, per
http://www.eudora.com/techsupport/kb/1882hq.html
<http://www.eudora.com/techsupport/kb/1882hq.html>
Apparently that process directs ALL mail in a domain to the mailbox you
specify, so I'm not sure if it will help you.
The KB note says "This process is unreliable and does not always work and
therefore is not recommended for general use." but I've done it a couple of
times without trouble.
--
Dave Salovesh
RAM Associates, Inc.
(202) 543-3635
-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Saren [mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 11:04 AM
To: Tom Kemp
Cc: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: aliases
Tom, I appreciate your email. However, there is in fact NO way to do what I
am requesting. According to Qualcomm, and many others... it wont work. I
know how to create an alias, thanks for your lesson.
I want a wildcard alias. So even if i dont have an alias for BILLCLINTON@
... mail will STILL go to a recipient. But, there is no way to do this. You
can with EIMS, but not with Worldmail. A real dissappointment.
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Kemp [mailto:KempT at presearch dot com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 10:50 AM
To: Ben Saren
Cc: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: aliases
That's a very simple question. Obviously you haven't used Worldmail before!
If you right-click on the domain you want to add a user, alias, robot, etc.
to, you will get a menu with these options. If you select Alias, it asks
you for the alias name, then the actual account you want it to go to. That
won't reveal the destination account to people when they send you
email...only if your reply to it, and have your email reply address set to
the real address, and not an alias.
A word of caution: Aliases don't work if you disable relay for your server.
It will continue to work for emails sent from permitted IP's, such as your
internal network, but not for others. The best way to handle this is to
creat Groups instead of aliases. You would simply make the members of the
groups the actual addresses. I haven't tried it yet, but I'll bet that you
could put aliases into a distribution group and have the aliases set to
forward to an actual account, and have this work fine without relaying
enabled. It might be worth a shot..
Dennis T. Kemp II (Tom Kemp)
MCSE/CCNAv2/Program Manager
Control Concepts, Inc.
703-876-6418
Fax: 703-876-6416
KempT at presearch dot com
-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Saren [mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 2:49 PM
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: aliases
Hi all, this is my first time using this system, I hope to get some good
feedback!
I would like to use mail aliasing in Worldmail.
By that I mean, if I have an account within a domain named
<BILL at whatever.com> BILL at whatever dot com how can i get any email address
NOT recognized as an account pushed to BILL at whatever dot com
<mailto:BILL at whatever dot com> ?
So, if someone emails hillaryClinton at whatever dot com
<hillaryClinton at whatever.com> , or sales at whatever dot com
<mailto:sales at whatever dot com> how can i get those emails to go to BILL? Those
mailboxes above dont exist, but they should still go to somebody! right?
Right now, i have it set for "all non deliverable mail should forward to
so-n-so." But that is only delivering the undeliverable mail message. (e.g.
- "the following message was undeliverable")
and ideas?
Thanks!
........................................
Ben Saren
ben at atomicusa dot com
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<DIV><SPAN class=610403316-23052001><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff
size=2>If you right click on your local domain and select configure domain, you
can enter a mailbox to which all undeliverable mail is forwarded. We use
this and have no problems with it whatsoever.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=610403316-23052001><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Ben Saren
[mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 23, 2001
16:31<BR><B>To:</B> Dave Salovesh<BR><B>Cc:</B> Subscribers of
WorldMail<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: aliases<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=018022715-23052001><FONT face=Tahoma color=#0000ff
size=2>Okay, BUT...</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=018022715-23052001><FONT face=Tahoma color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=018022715-23052001><FONT face=Tahoma color=#0000ff
size=2>Lets say there is NO MAILBOX OR ALIAS for GORBECHEV at mydomain dot com ....
and I want to receive that message. LIke in EIMS, and other mail servers apps,
ALL mail that comes in to an address that DOES NOT EXIST on the system to
forward to one that does. Its not a hard concept, and I would think that
Worldmail would do it... seeing as their nearly-free product DOES do
it!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=018022715-23052001><FONT face=Tahoma color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Dave Salovesh
[mailto:salovesh at ramassociates dot com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 23, 2001
11:19 AM<BR><B>To:</B> 'Ben Saren'<BR><B>Cc:</B> Subscribers of
WorldMail<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: aliases<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=550570215-23052001>You can set a "single mail box" domain, per <A
href="http://www.eudora.com/techsupport/kb/1882hq.html">http://www.eudora.com/techsupport/kb/1882hq.html</A></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=550570215-23052001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=550570215-23052001>Apparently that process directs ALL mail in a
domain to the mailbox you specify, so I'm not sure if it will help
you.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=550570215-23052001></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2><SPAN class=550570215-23052001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=550570215-23052001>The KB note says "This process is unreliable and
does not always work and therefore is not recommended for general use." but
I've done it a couple of times without trouble.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<P><FONT size=2>--<BR>Dave Salovesh<BR>RAM Associates, Inc.<BR>(202)
543-3635<BR><BR></FONT></P>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Ben Saren
[mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 23, 2001 11:04
AM<BR><B>To:</B> Tom Kemp<BR><B>Cc:</B> Subscribers of
WorldMail<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: aliases<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV><SPAN class=169210215-23052001><FONT face=Tahoma color=#0000ff
size=2>Tom, I appreciate your email. However, there is in fact NO way to
do what I am requesting. According to Qualcomm, and many others... it wont
work. I know how to create an alias, thanks for your
lesson.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=169210215-23052001><FONT face=Tahoma color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=169210215-23052001><FONT face=Tahoma color=#0000ff
size=2>I want a wildcard alias. So even if i dont have an alias for
BILLCLINTON@ ... mail will STILL go to a recipient. But, there is no way
to do this. You can with EIMS, but not with Worldmail. A real
dissappointment.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=169210215-23052001><FONT face=Tahoma color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=169210215-23052001></SPAN> </DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Tom Kemp
[mailto:KempT at presearch dot com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 23, 2001
10:50 AM<BR><B>To:</B> Ben Saren<BR><B>Cc:</B> Subscribers of
WorldMail<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: aliases<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=173364414-23052001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>That's a very simple question. Obviously you haven't used
Worldmail before! If you right-click on the domain you want to add
a user, alias, robot, etc. to, you will get a menu with these
options. If you select Alias, it asks you for the alias name, then
the actual account you want it to go to. That won't reveal the
destination account to people when they send you email...only if your
reply to it, and have your email reply address set to the real address,
and not an alias.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=173364414-23052001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=173364414-23052001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>A word of caution: Aliases don't work if you disable relay
for your server. It will continue to work for emails sent from
permitted IP's, such as your internal network, but not for others.
The best way to handle this is to creat Groups instead of aliases.
You would simply make the members of the groups the actual
addresses. I haven't tried it yet, but I'll bet that you could put
aliases into a distribution group and have the aliases set to forward to
an actual account, and have this work fine without relaying
enabled. It might be worth a shot..</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<P><FONT size=2>Dennis T. Kemp II (Tom Kemp)<BR>MCSE/CCNAv2/Program
Manager<BR>Control Concepts, Inc.<BR>703-876-6418<BR>Fax:
703-876-6416<BR>KempT at presearch dot com</FONT> </P>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Ben Saren
[mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, May 21, 2001 2:49
PM<BR><B>To:</B> Subscribers of WorldMail<BR><B>Subject:</B>
aliases<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>Hi all,
this is my first time using this system, I hope to get some good
feedback!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>I would
like to use mail aliasing in Worldmail.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>By that I
mean, if I have an account within a domain named </FONT><A
href="mailto:BILL@whatever dot com"><FONT face=Tahoma color=#000000
size=2>BILL at whatever dot com</FONT></A><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2> </FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2>how can i get any email address NOT recognized as
an account pushed to <A
href="mailto:BILL at whatever dot com">BILL@whatever dot com</A>?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>So, if
someone emails <A
href="mailto:hillaryClinton at whatever dot com">hillaryClinton@whatever dot com</A>,
or <A href="mailto:sales at whatever dot com">sales@whatever dot com</A> how can
i get those emails to go to BILL? Those mailboxes above dont exist,
but they should still go to somebody! right?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>Right
now, i have it set for "all non deliverable mail should forward to
so-n-so." But that is only delivering the undeliverable mail message.
(e.g. - "the following message was undeliverable")</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>and
ideas?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>Thanks!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DL>
<DT><FONT color=#808080
size=2>........................................</FONT>
<DT><FONT color=#808080 size=2><B>Ben Saren</B></FONT>
<DT><FONT color=#808080 size=2>ben at atomicusa dot com</FONT></DT></DL>
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Your missing the point Ian
-----Original Message-----
From: Ian Homewood [mailto:ianh at stanley.co dot uk]
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 12:36 PM
To: 'Ben Saren'; Dave Salovesh
Cc: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: aliases
If you right click on your local domain and select configure domain, you
can enter a mailbox to which all undeliverable mail is forwarded. We use
this and have no problems with it whatsoever.
Ian
-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Saren [mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 16:31
To: Dave Salovesh
Cc: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: aliases
Okay, BUT...
Lets say there is NO MAILBOX OR ALIAS for GORBECHEV at mydomain dot com ....
and I want to receive that message. LIke in EIMS, and other mail servers
apps, ALL mail that comes in to an address that DOES NOT EXIST on the system
to forward to one that does. Its not a hard concept, and I would think that
Worldmail would do it... seeing as their nearly-free product DOES do it!
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Salovesh [mailto:salovesh at ramassociates dot com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 11:19 AM
To: 'Ben Saren'
Cc: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: aliases
You can set a "single mail box" domain, per
http://www.eudora.com/techsupport/kb/1882hq.html
Apparently that process directs ALL mail in a domain to the mailbox
you specify, so I'm not sure if it will help you.
The KB note says "This process is unreliable and does not always work
and therefore is not recommended for general use." but I've done it a couple
of times without trouble.
--
Dave Salovesh
RAM Associates, Inc.
(202) 543-3635
-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Saren [mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 11:04 AM
To: Tom Kemp
Cc: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: aliases
Tom, I appreciate your email. However, there is in fact NO way to do
what I am requesting. According to Qualcomm, and many others... it wont
work. I know how to create an alias, thanks for your lesson.
I want a wildcard alias. So even if i dont have an alias for
BILLCLINTON@ ... mail will STILL go to a recipient. But, there is no way to
do this. You can with EIMS, but not with Worldmail. A real dissappointment.
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Kemp [mailto:KempT at presearch dot com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 10:50 AM
To: Ben Saren
Cc: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: aliases
That's a very simple question. Obviously you haven't used
Worldmail before! If you right-click on the domain you want to add a user,
alias, robot, etc. to, you will get a menu with these options. If you
select Alias, it asks you for the alias name, then the actual account you
want it to go to. That won't reveal the destination account to people when
they send you email...only if your reply to it, and have your email reply
address set to the real address, and not an alias.
A word of caution: Aliases don't work if you disable relay for
your server. It will continue to work for emails sent from permitted IP's,
such as your internal network, but not for others. The best way to handle
this is to creat Groups instead of aliases. You would simply make the
members of the groups the actual addresses. I haven't tried it yet, but
I'll bet that you could put aliases into a distribution group and have the
aliases set to forward to an actual account, and have this work fine without
relaying enabled. It might be worth a shot..
Dennis T. Kemp II (Tom Kemp)
MCSE/CCNAv2/Program Manager
Control Concepts, Inc.
703-876-6418
Fax: 703-876-6416
KempT at presearch dot com
-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Saren [mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 2:49 PM
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: aliases
Hi all, this is my first time using this system, I hope to get
some good feedback!
I would like to use mail aliasing in Worldmail.
By that I mean, if I have an account within a domain named
BILL at whatever dot com how can i get any email address NOT recognized as an
account pushed to BILL at whatever dot com?
So, if someone emails hillaryClinton at whatever dot com, or
sales at whatever dot com how can i get those emails to go to BILL? Those mailboxes
above dont exist, but they should still go to somebody! right?
Right now, i have it set for "all non deliverable mail should
forward to so-n-so." But that is only delivering the undeliverable mail
message. (e.g. - "the following message was undeliverable")
and ideas?
Thanks!
........................................
Ben Saren
ben at atomicusa dot com
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<DIV><SPAN class4010217-23052001><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#0000ff size=2>Your
missing the point Ian</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT
face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Ian Homewood
[mailto:ianh at stanley.co dot uk]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 23, 2001
12:36
PM<BR><B>To:</B> 'Ben Saren'; Dave Salovesh<BR><B>Cc:</B> Subscribers
of
WorldMail<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: aliases<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=610403316-23052001><FONT face="Comic Sans MS"
color=#0000ff
size=2>If you right click on your local domain and select configure
domain,
you can enter a mailbox to which all undeliverable mail is
forwarded. We
use this and have no problems with it whatsoever.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=610403316-23052001><FONT face="Comic Sans MS"
color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=610403316-23052001><FONT face="Comic Sans MS"
color=#0000ff
size=2>Ian</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px
solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT
face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Ben Saren
[mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 23, 2001
16:31<BR><B>To:</B> Dave Salovesh<BR><B>Cc:</B> Subscribers of
WorldMail<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: aliases<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=018022715-23052001><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#0000ff
size=2>Okay, BUT...</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=018022715-23052001><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=018022715-23052001><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#0000ff
size=2>Lets say there is NO MAILBOX OR ALIAS for
GORBECHEV at mydomain dot com ....
and I want to receive that message. LIke in EIMS, and other mail
servers
apps, ALL mail that comes in to an address that DOES NOT EXIST on
the system
to forward to one that does. Its not a hard concept, and I would
think that
Worldmail would do it... seeing as their nearly-free product DOES do
it!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=018022715-23052001><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT
face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Dave Salovesh
[mailto:salovesh at ramassociates dot com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May
23,
2001 11:19 AM<BR><B>To:</B> 'Ben Saren'<BR><B>Cc:</B> Subscribers
of
WorldMail<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: aliases<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=550570215-23052001>You can set a "single mail box" domain,
per <A
href="http://www.eudora.com/techsupport/kb/1882hq.html">http://www.eudo
ra.com/techsupport/kb/1882hq.html</A></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=550570215-23052001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=550570215-23052001>Apparently that process directs ALL
mail in a
domain to the mailbox you specify, so I'm not sure if it will help
you.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=550570215-23052001></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff
size=2><SPAN
class=550570215-23052001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=550570215-23052001>The KB note says "This process is
unreliable and
does not always work and therefore is not recommended for general
use."
but I've done it a couple of times without
trouble.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<P><FONT size=2>--<BR>Dave Salovesh<BR>RAM Associates,
Inc.<BR>(202)
543-3635<BR><BR></FONT></P>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr
style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff
2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT
face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Ben Saren
[mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 23,
2001 11:04
AM<BR><B>To:</B> Tom Kemp<BR><B>Cc:</B> Subscribers of
WorldMail<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: aliases<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV><SPAN class=169210215-23052001><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#0000ff
size=2>Tom, I appreciate your email. However, there is in fact
NO way to
do what I am requesting. According to Qualcomm, and many
others... it
wont work. I know how to create an alias, thanks for your
lesson.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=169210215-23052001><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=169210215-23052001><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#0000ff
size=2>I want a wildcard alias. So even if i dont have an
alias for
BILLCLINTON@ ... mail will STILL go to a recipient. But, there
is no way
to do this. You can with EIMS, but not with Worldmail. A real
dissappointment.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=169210215-23052001><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=169210215-23052001></SPAN> </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT
face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Tom Kemp
[mailto:KempT at presearch dot com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May
23, 2001
10:50 AM<BR><B>To:</B> Ben Saren<BR><B>Cc:</B> Subscribers of
WorldMail<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: aliases<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=173364414-23052001><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff
size=2>That's a very simple question. Obviously you
haven't used
Worldmail before! If you right-click on the domain you
want to
add a user, alias, robot, etc. to, you will get a menu with
these
options. If you select Alias, it asks you for the alias
name,
then the actual account you want it to go to. That won't
reveal
the destination account to people when they send you
email...only if
your reply to it, and have your email reply address set to the
real
address, and not an alias.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=173364414-23052001><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=173364414-23052001><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff
size=2>A word of caution: Aliases don't work if you
disable
relay for your server. It will continue to work for
emails sent
from permitted IP's, such as your internal network, but not
for
others. The best way to handle this is to creat Groups
instead
of aliases. You would simply make the members of the
groups the
actual addresses. I haven't tried it yet, but I'll bet
that you
could put aliases into a distribution group and have the
aliases set
to forward to an actual account, and have this work fine
without
relaying enabled. It might be worth a
shot..</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<P><FONT size=2>Dennis T. Kemp II (Tom
Kemp)<BR>MCSE/CCNAv2/Program
Manager<BR>Control Concepts,
Inc.<BR>703-876-6418<BR>Fax:
703-876-6416<BR>KempT at presearch dot com</FONT> </P>
<DIV> </DIV>
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size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Ben
Saren
[mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, May 21,
2001 2:49
PM<BR><B>To:</B> Subscribers of WorldMail<BR><B>Subject:</B>
aliases<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>Hi all,
this is my first time using this system, I hope to get some
good
feedback!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>I would
like to use mail aliasing in Worldmail.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>By that
I mean, if I have an account within a domain named </FONT><A
href="mailto:BILL@whatever dot com"><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#000000
size=2>BILL at whatever dot com</FONT></A><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2> </FONT></SPAN><SPAN
class=520354518-21052001><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2>how can i get any email address NOT
recognized as
an account pushed to <A
href="mailto:BILL at whatever dot com">BILL@whatever dot com</A>?</FONT></SPAN></D
IV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>So, if
someone emails <A
href="mailto:hillaryClinton at whatever dot com">hillaryClinton@whatever dot com</
A>,
or <A
href="mailto:sales at whatever dot com">sales@whatever dot com</A> how
can i get those emails to go to BILL? Those mailboxes above
dont
exist, but they should still go to somebody!
right?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>Right
now, i have it set for "all non deliverable mail should
forward to
so-n-so." But that is only delivering the undeliverable mail
message. (e.g. - "the following message was
undeliverable")</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>and
ideas?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>Thanks!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DL>
<DT><FONT color=#808080
size=2>........................................</FONT>
<DT><FONT color=#808080 size=2><B>Ben Saren</B></FONT>
<DT><FONT color=#808080
size=2>ben at atomicusa dot com</FONT></DT></DL>
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From: Dave Salovesh <salovesh at ramassociates dot com>
Subject: RE: aliases
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 14:10:52 -0400
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Ben:
Within WorldMail, there's no option to transparently forward undeliverable
mail. Perhaps that's a shame for your clients, but it works the same as the
default behavior of MS-Exchange, among many others: a copy of the
undeliverable message gets forwarded as an attachment to a message sent to
the mailbox designated for such errors. I'm tempted to argue that it would
be flat-out WRONG to transparently deliver mail that should have otherwise
bounced, but that's a whole different discussion.
If EIMS does everything you want it to, can you use it instead?
(PS - can we keep this discussion either on-list or off and cut out the
duplicates? I'm guilty too, but I'll try...)
--
Dave Salovesh
RAM Associates, Inc.
(202) 543-3635
-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Saren [mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 11:31 AM
To: Dave Salovesh
Cc: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: aliases
Okay, BUT...
Lets say there is NO MAILBOX OR ALIAS for GORBECHEV at mydomain dot com .... and I
want to receive that message. LIke in EIMS, and other mail servers apps, ALL
mail that comes in to an address that DOES NOT EXIST on the system to
forward to one that does. Its not a hard concept, and I would think that
Worldmail would do it... seeing as their nearly-free product DOES do it!
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class=759164117-23052001>Ben:</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=759164117-23052001>Within
WorldMail, there's no option to transparently forward undeliverable mail.
Perhaps that's a shame for your clients, but it works the same as the default
behavior of MS-Exchange, among many others: a copy of the undeliverable
message gets forwarded as an attachment to a message sent to the mailbox
designated for such errors. I<FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=759164117-23052001>'m tempted to argue that it would be flat-out WRONG to
transparently deliver mail that should have otherwise bounced, but that's a
whole different discussion.</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=759164117-23052001>If
EIMS does everything you want it to, can you use it instead?</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=759164117-23052001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=759164117-23052001>(PS -
can we keep this discussion either on-list or off and cut out the
duplicates? I'm guilty too, but I'll try...)</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<P><FONT size=2>--<BR>Dave Salovesh<BR>RAM Associates, Inc.<BR>(202)
543-3635<BR><BR></FONT></P>
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<DIV align=left class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Ben Saren
[mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 23, 2001 11:31
AM<BR><B>To:</B> Dave Salovesh<BR><B>Cc:</B> Subscribers of
WorldMail<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: aliases<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV><SPAN class=018022715-23052001><FONT color=#0000ff face=Tahoma
size=2>Okay, BUT...</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=018022715-23052001><FONT color=#0000ff face=Tahoma
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=018022715-23052001><FONT color=#0000ff face=Tahoma
size=2>Lets say there is NO MAILBOX OR ALIAS for GORBECHEV at mydomain dot com ....
and I want to receive that message. LIke in EIMS, and other mail servers apps,
ALL mail that comes in to an address that DOES NOT EXIST on the system to
forward to one that does. Its not a hard concept, and I would think that
Worldmail would do it... seeing as their nearly-free product DOES do
it!</FONT></SPAN></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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From: "Tom Kemp" <KempT at presearch dot com>
Subject: RE: aliases
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 15:23:27 -0400
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I agree. Thinking about it...if someone wanted to send a virus, all they
would need is a domain name....they could then flood the world with viruses,
just by sending to all domains they could enter in!
Dennis T. Kemp II (Tom Kemp)
MCSE/CCNAv2/Program Manager
Control Concepts, Inc.
703-876-6418
Fax: 703-876-6416
KempT at presearch dot com
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Salovesh [mailto:salovesh at ramassociates dot com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 2:11 PM
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: aliases
Ben:
Within WorldMail, there's no option to transparently forward undeliverable
mail. Perhaps that's a shame for your clients, but it works the same as the
default behavior of MS-Exchange, among many others: a copy of the
undeliverable message gets forwarded as an attachment to a message sent to
the mailbox designated for such errors. I'm tempted to argue that it would
be flat-out WRONG to transparently deliver mail that should have otherwise
bounced, but that's a whole different discussion.
If EIMS does everything you want it to, can you use it instead?
(PS - can we keep this discussion either on-list or off and cut out the
duplicates? I'm guilty too, but I'll try...)
--
Dave Salovesh
RAM Associates, Inc.
(202) 543-3635
-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Saren [mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 11:31 AM
To: Dave Salovesh
Cc: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: aliases
Okay, BUT...
Lets say there is NO MAILBOX OR ALIAS for GORBECHEV at mydomain dot com ....
and I want to receive that message. LIke in EIMS, and other mail servers
apps, ALL mail that comes in to an address that DOES NOT EXIST on the system
to forward to one that does. Its not a hard concept, and I would think that
Worldmail would do it... seeing as their nearly-free product DOES do it!
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<DIV><SPAN class=04062219-23052001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>I
agree. Thinking about it...if someone wanted to send a virus, all
they
would need is a domain name....they could then flood the world with
viruses,
just by sending to all domains they could enter in!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<P><FONT size=2>Dennis T. Kemp II (Tom Kemp)<BR>MCSE/CCNAv2/Program
Manager<BR>Control Concepts, Inc.<BR>703-876-6418<BR>Fax:
703-876-6416<BR>KempT at presearch dot com</FONT> </P>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Dave Salovesh
[mailto:salovesh at ramassociates dot com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 23,
2001
2:11 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Subscribers of WorldMail<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE:
aliases<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=759164117-23052001>Ben:</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=759164117-23052001>Within WorldMail, there's no option to
transparently
forward undeliverable mail. Perhaps that's a shame for your
clients, but
it works the same as the default behavior of MS-Exchange, among many
others: a copy of the undeliverable message gets forwarded as an
attachment to a message sent to the mailbox designated for such
errors. I<FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=759164117-23052001>'m tempted to argue that it would be
flat-out WRONG
to transparently deliver mail that should have otherwise bounced, but
that's a
whole different
discussion.</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=759164117-23052001>If
EIMS does everything you want it to, can you use it
instead?</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=759164117-23052001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=759164117-23052001>(PS
- can we keep this discussion either on-list or off and cut out the
duplicates? I'm guilty too, but I'll try...)</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<P><FONT size=2>--<BR>Dave Salovesh<BR>RAM Associates, Inc.<BR>(202)
543-3635<BR><BR></FONT></P>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT
face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Ben Saren
[mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 23, 2001
11:31
AM<BR><B>To:</B> Dave Salovesh<BR><B>Cc:</B> Subscribers of
WorldMail<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: aliases<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV><SPAN class=018022715-23052001><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#0000ff
size=2>Okay, BUT...</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=018022715-23052001><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=018022715-23052001><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#0000ff
size=2>Lets say there is NO MAILBOX OR ALIAS for
GORBECHEV at mydomain dot com ....
and I want to receive that message. LIke in EIMS, and other mail
servers
apps, ALL mail that comes in to an address that DOES NOT EXIST on
the system
to forward to one that does. Its not a hard concept, and I would
think that
Worldmail would do it... seeing as their nearly-free product DOES do
it!</FONT></SPAN></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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From: "Ben Saren" <ben at atomicusa dot com>
Subject: RE: aliases
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 16:55:07 -0400
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Unfortunately I cant use EIMS, no because i run Win2k server.
Its okay. Its a dead issue now. I just wanted to see if any of you guys had
some hacked way of doing it. No big deal.
HOWEVER, do you guys know much about the Relay settings in Worldmail? I want
to restrict relaying as much as possible, but while also not having to
manage it everytime a client wants to pop in from a different computer on a
different network. Right now its wide open. And if anyone knows those ORBS
folks, Im a bit nervous!
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Salovesh [mailto:salovesh at ramassociates dot com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 2:11 PM
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: aliases
Ben:
Within WorldMail, there's no option to transparently forward undeliverable
mail. Perhaps that's a shame for your clients, but it works the same as the
default behavior of MS-Exchange, among many others: a copy of the
undeliverable message gets forwarded as an attachment to a message sent to
the mailbox designated for such errors. I'm tempted to argue that it would
be flat-out WRONG to transparently deliver mail that should have otherwise
bounced, but that's a whole different discussion.
If EIMS does everything you want it to, can you use it instead?
(PS - can we keep this discussion either on-list or off and cut out the
duplicates? I'm guilty too, but I'll try...)
--
Dave Salovesh
RAM Associates, Inc.
(202) 543-3635
-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Saren [mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 11:31 AM
To: Dave Salovesh
Cc: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: aliases
Okay, BUT...
Lets say there is NO MAILBOX OR ALIAS for GORBECHEV at mydomain dot com ....
and I want to receive that message. LIke in EIMS, and other mail servers
apps, ALL mail that comes in to an address that DOES NOT EXIST on the system
to forward to one that does. Its not a hard concept, and I would think that
Worldmail would do it... seeing as their nearly-free product DOES do it!
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<DIV><SPAN class=143035120-23052001><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#0000ff
size=2>Unfortunately I cant use EIMS, no because i run Win2k
server.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=143035120-23052001><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=143035120-23052001><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#0000ff size=2>Its
okay. Its a dead issue now. I just wanted to see if any of you guys had
some
hacked way of doing it. No big deal.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=143035120-23052001><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=143035120-23052001><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#0000ff
size=2>HOWEVER, do you guys know much about the Relay settings in
Worldmail? I
want to restrict relaying as much as possible, but while also not having
to
manage it everytime a client wants to pop in from a different computer
on a
different network. Right now its wide open. And if anyone knows those
ORBS
folks, Im a bit nervous!</FONT></SPAN></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT
face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Dave Salovesh
[mailto:salovesh at ramassociates dot com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 23,
2001
2:11 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Subscribers of WorldMail<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE:
aliases<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=759164117-23052001>Ben:</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=759164117-23052001>Within WorldMail, there's no option to
transparently
forward undeliverable mail. Perhaps that's a shame for your
clients, but
it works the same as the default behavior of MS-Exchange, among many
others: a copy of the undeliverable message gets forwarded as an
attachment to a message sent to the mailbox designated for such
errors. I<FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=759164117-23052001>'m tempted to argue that it would be
flat-out WRONG
to transparently deliver mail that should have otherwise bounced, but
that's a
whole different
discussion.</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=759164117-23052001>If
EIMS does everything you want it to, can you use it
instead?</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=759164117-23052001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=759164117-23052001>(PS
- can we keep this discussion either on-list or off and cut out the
duplicates? I'm guilty too, but I'll try...)</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<P><FONT size=2>--<BR>Dave Salovesh<BR>RAM Associates, Inc.<BR>(202)
543-3635<BR><BR></FONT></P>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT
face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Ben Saren
[mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 23, 2001
11:31
AM<BR><B>To:</B> Dave Salovesh<BR><B>Cc:</B> Subscribers of
WorldMail<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: aliases<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV><SPAN class=018022715-23052001><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#0000ff
size=2>Okay, BUT...</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=018022715-23052001><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=018022715-23052001><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#0000ff
size=2>Lets say there is NO MAILBOX OR ALIAS for
GORBECHEV at mydomain dot com ....
and I want to receive that message. LIke in EIMS, and other mail
servers
apps, ALL mail that comes in to an address that DOES NOT EXIST on
the system
to forward to one that does. Its not a hard concept, and I would
think that
Worldmail would do it... seeing as their nearly-free product DOES do
it!</FONT></SPAN></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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From: Dave Salovesh <salovesh at ramassociates dot com>
Subject: RE: aliases
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 09:07:25 -0400
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Me too, but no such luck. Either you need IP specs that exactly cover your
users and their varied habits, or you need to remain open to relaying and
hope against hope for the best.
I tried the latter, and I pretty much got away with it for almost 6 months
before I had to spend ALL my time whacking spam in the outgoing queue. A
month later, despite my efforts, one of my WorldMail IPs was on both MAPS
and ORBS and we also suffered a system break-in that turned into a bandwidth
saturation DoS for a day or two. No mail at all, no web hosting at all.
Not good at all.
Since we don't offer dial-up services, it wasn't a big deal for us to shut
down all relaying and have our clients use SMTP via their connectivity
providers, but it does make us look somewhat like a small-time operation
(okay, we ARE a small-time operation, but...).
We need SMTP authentication, but that's yet another feature WorldMail
doesn't have now. We may never get it, or at least not before all the
attorneys put their grandkids through law school...
--
Dave Salovesh
RAM Associates, Inc.
(800) 543-3635
-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Saren [mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 4:55 PM
To: Dave Salovesh; Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: aliases
Unfortunately I cant use EIMS, no because i run Win2k server.
Its okay. Its a dead issue now. I just wanted to see if any of you guys had
some hacked way of doing it. No big deal.
HOWEVER, do you guys know much about the Relay settings in Worldmail? I want
to restrict relaying as much as possible, but while also not having to
manage it everytime a client wants to pop in from a different computer on a
different network. Right now its wide open. And if anyone knows those ORBS
folks, Im a bit nervous!
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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=641543212-24052001>Me
too, but no such luck. E</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial
size=2><SPAN class=641543212-24052001>ither you need IP specs that exactly cover
your users and their varied habits, or you need to remain open to relaying and
hope against hope for the best. </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=641543212-24052001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=641543212-24052001>I
tried the latter, and I pretty much got away with it for almost 6 months before
I had to spend ALL my time whacking spam in the outgoing queue. A
month later, despite my efforts, one of my WorldMail IPs was on both MAPS and
ORBS and we also suffered a system break-in that turned into a bandwidth
saturation DoS for a day or two. No mail at all, no web hosting at
all. Not good at all.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=641543212-24052001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=641543212-24052001>Since
we don't offer dial-up services, it wasn't a big deal for us to shut down all
relaying and have our clients use SMTP via their connectivity providers, but it
does make us look somewhat like a small-time operation (okay, we ARE a
small-time operation, but...).</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=641543212-24052001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=641543212-24052001>We
need SMTP authentication, but that's yet another feature WorldMail doesn't have
now. We may never get it, or at least not before all
the attorneys put their grandkids through law school...</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=641543212-24052001></SPAN></FONT><FONT size=2>--<BR>Dave Salovesh<BR>RAM
Associates, Inc.<BR>(800) 543-3635<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
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size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Ben Saren
[mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 23, 2001 4:55
PM<BR><B>To:</B> Dave Salovesh; Subscribers of WorldMail<BR><B>Subject:</B>
RE: aliases<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=143035120-23052001><FONT color=#0000ff face=Tahoma
size=2>Unfortunately I cant use EIMS, no because i run Win2k
server.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=143035120-23052001><FONT color=#0000ff face=Tahoma
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=143035120-23052001><FONT color=#0000ff face=Tahoma size=2>Its
okay. Its a dead issue now. I just wanted to see if any of you guys had some
hacked way of doing it. No big deal.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=143035120-23052001><FONT color=#0000ff face=Tahoma
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=143035120-23052001><FONT color=#0000ff face=Tahoma
size=2>HOWEVER, do you guys know much about the Relay settings in Worldmail? I
want to restrict relaying as much as possible, but while also not having to
manage it everytime a client wants to pop in from a different computer on a
different network. Right now its wide open. And if anyone knows those ORBS
folks, Im a bit nervous!</FONT></SPAN></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 09:39:55 -0400
Subject: Re: aliases
From: Jeffrey Posluns <scripter at secureops dot com>
If one insists on using WorldMail for a mail store, one could theoretically
set up a mail relay with appropriate filters in front of it running
sendmail, or my favorite: postfix. These are free programs under unix, and
only require that one have a second computer to install them on. One could
also purchase a program like NAI WebShield SMTP, and install it on the same
server as WorldMail (put WebShield on port 25, and WorldMail on port 24 -
then use the Anti-Virus and Anti-Spam features of WebShield....
As a note, I use scripter at secureops dot com for receipt of mailing lists.. To
reply to me (and have me read it immediately - as opposed to every day or
two when I peruse mailng list messages) use jeff at secureops dot com
Regards all,
Jeffrey Posluns, CISA, CISSP, CCNP
Chief Technology Officer
SecureOps, Inc.
Tel: (514) 982-0678 x124
Fax: (514) 982-0362
http://www.secureops.com
PGP: 3206 DE8D 8C90 BAFE 571F
B60A 4A8C E0FB C4D3 A922
On 5/24/01 9:07 AM, "Dave Salovesh" <salovesh at ramassociates dot com> wrote:
> Me too, but no such luck. Either you need IP specs that exactly cover your
> users and their varied habits, or you need to remain open to relaying and hope
> against hope for the best.
>
> I tried the latter, and I pretty much got away with it for almost 6 months
> before I had to spend ALL my time whacking spam in the outgoing queue. A
> month later, despite my efforts, one of my WorldMail IPs was on both MAPS and
> ORBS and we also suffered a system break-in that turned into a bandwidth
> saturation DoS for a day or two. No mail at all, no web hosting at all. Not
> good at all.
>
> Since we don't offer dial-up services, it wasn't a big deal for us to shut
> down all relaying and have our clients use SMTP via their connectivity
> providers, but it does make us look somewhat like a small-time operation
> (okay, we ARE a small-time operation, but...).
>
> We need SMTP authentication, but that's yet another feature WorldMail doesn't
> have now. We may never get it, or at least not before all the attorneys put
> their grandkids through law school...
>
> --
> Dave Salovesh
> RAM Associates, Inc.
> (800) 543-3635
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ben Saren [mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 4:55 PM
>> To: Dave Salovesh; Subscribers of WorldMail
>> Subject: RE: aliases
>>
> Unfortunately I cant use EIMS, no because i run Win2k server.
>
> Its okay. Its a dead issue now. I just wanted to see if any of you guys had
> some hacked way of doing it. No big deal.
>
> HOWEVER, do you guys know much about the Relay settings in Worldmail? I want
> to restrict relaying as much as possible, but while also not having to manage
> it everytime a client wants to pop in from a different computer on a different
> network. Right now its wide open. And if anyone knows those ORBS folks, Im a
> bit nervous!
>
From: "Ben Saren" <ben at atomicusa dot com>
Subject: RE: aliases
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 10:05:55 -0400
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Wow! Thanks for that little story! I am caught between a rock and a hard
place now! I feel your pain, and I can relate to you small time operation.
Sounds like we are in the same line of biz.
So what have you done SINCE that DoS? Have you turned on the relaying
configs?
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Salovesh [mailto:salovesh at ramassociates dot com]
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 9:07 AM
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: aliases
Me too, but no such luck. Either you need IP specs that exactly cover
your users and their varied habits, or you need to remain open to relaying
and hope against hope for the best.
I tried the latter, and I pretty much got away with it for almost 6 months
before I had to spend ALL my time whacking spam in the outgoing queue. A
month later, despite my efforts, one of my WorldMail IPs was on both MAPS
and ORBS and we also suffered a system break-in that turned into a bandwidth
saturation DoS for a day or two. No mail at all, no web hosting at all.
Not good at all.
Since we don't offer dial-up services, it wasn't a big deal for us to shut
down all relaying and have our clients use SMTP via their connectivity
providers, but it does make us look somewhat like a small-time operation
(okay, we ARE a small-time operation, but...).
We need SMTP authentication, but that's yet another feature WorldMail
doesn't have now. We may never get it, or at least not before all the
attorneys put their grandkids through law school...
--
Dave Salovesh
RAM Associates, Inc.
(800) 543-3635
-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Saren [mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 4:55 PM
To: Dave Salovesh; Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: aliases
Unfortunately I cant use EIMS, no because i run Win2k server.
Its okay. Its a dead issue now. I just wanted to see if any of you guys
had some hacked way of doing it. No big deal.
HOWEVER, do you guys know much about the Relay settings in Worldmail? I
want to restrict relaying as much as possible, but while also not having to
manage it everytime a client wants to pop in from a different computer on a
different network. Right now its wide open. And if anyone knows those ORBS
folks, Im a bit nervous!
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<DIV><SPAN class=247120114-24052001><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#0000ff size=2>Wow!
Thanks for that little story! I am caught between a rock and a hard
place now! I
feel your pain, and I can relate to you small time operation. Sounds
like we are
in the same line of biz.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=247120114-24052001><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=247120114-24052001><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#0000ff size=2>So
what have you done SINCE that DoS? Have you turned on the relaying
configs?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=247120114-24052001><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=247120114-24052001></SPAN> </DIV>
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face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Dave Salovesh
[mailto:salovesh at ramassociates dot com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, May 24,
2001
9:07 AM<BR><B>To:</B> Subscribers of WorldMail<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE:
aliases<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=641543212-24052001>Me
too, but no such luck. E</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff
size=2><SPAN class=641543212-24052001>ither you need IP specs that
exactly
cover your users and their varied habits, or you need to remain open
to
relaying and hope against hope for the best.
</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=641543212-24052001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=641543212-24052001>I
tried the latter, and I pretty much got away with it for almost 6
months
before I had to spend ALL my time whacking spam in the outgoing
queue. A month later, despite my efforts, one of my WorldMail
IPs was on
both MAPS and ORBS and we also suffered a system break-in that
turned
into a bandwidth saturation DoS for a day or two. No mail at
all, no web
hosting at all. Not good at all.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=641543212-24052001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=641543212-24052001>Since we don't offer dial-up services, it
wasn't a
big deal for us to shut down all relaying and have our clients use
SMTP via
their connectivity providers, but it does make us look somewhat like a
small-time operation (okay, we ARE a small-time operation,
but...).</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=641543212-24052001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=641543212-24052001>We
need SMTP authentication, but that's yet another feature WorldMail
doesn't
have now. We may never get it, or at least not before all
the attorneys put their grandkids through law
school...</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=641543212-24052001></SPAN></FONT><FONT size=2>--<BR>Dave
Salovesh<BR>RAM
Associates, Inc.<BR>(800) 543-3635<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
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face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Ben Saren
[mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 23, 2001
4:55
PM<BR><B>To:</B> Dave Salovesh; Subscribers of
WorldMail<BR><B>Subject:</B>
RE: aliases<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=143035120-23052001><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#0000ff
size=2>Unfortunately I cant use EIMS, no because i run Win2k
server.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=143035120-23052001><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=143035120-23052001><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#0000ff
size=2>Its okay. Its a dead issue now. I just wanted to see if any
of you
guys had some hacked way of doing it. No big
deal.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=143035120-23052001><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=143035120-23052001><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#0000ff
size=2>HOWEVER, do you guys know much about the Relay settings in
Worldmail?
I want to restrict relaying as much as possible, but while also not
having
to manage it everytime a client wants to pop in from a different
computer on
a different network. Right now its wide open. And if anyone knows
those ORBS
folks, Im a bit
nervous!</FONT></SPAN></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML
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From: "Ben Saren" <ben at atomicusa dot com>
Subject: RE: aliases
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 10:05:58 -0400
Do you recommend any freeware for Windows that will do essentially the same
thing?
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeffrey Posluns [mailto:scripter at secureops dot com]
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 9:40 AM
To: Dave Salovesh; Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: Re: aliases
If one insists on using WorldMail for a mail store, one could theoretically
set up a mail relay with appropriate filters in front of it running
sendmail, or my favorite: postfix. These are free programs under unix, and
only require that one have a second computer to install them on. One could
also purchase a program like NAI WebShield SMTP, and install it on the same
server as WorldMail (put WebShield on port 25, and WorldMail on port 24 -
then use the Anti-Virus and Anti-Spam features of WebShield....
As a note, I use scripter at secureops dot com for receipt of mailing lists.. To
reply to me (and have me read it immediately - as opposed to every day or
two when I peruse mailng list messages) use jeff at secureops dot com
Regards all,
Jeffrey Posluns, CISA, CISSP, CCNP
Chief Technology Officer
SecureOps, Inc.
Tel: (514) 982-0678 x124
Fax: (514) 982-0362
http://www.secureops.com
PGP: 3206 DE8D 8C90 BAFE 571F
B60A 4A8C E0FB C4D3 A922
On 5/24/01 9:07 AM, "Dave Salovesh" <salovesh at ramassociates dot com> wrote:
> Me too, but no such luck. Either you need IP specs that exactly cover
your
> users and their varied habits, or you need to remain open to relaying and
hope
> against hope for the best.
>
> I tried the latter, and I pretty much got away with it for almost 6 months
> before I had to spend ALL my time whacking spam in the outgoing queue. A
> month later, despite my efforts, one of my WorldMail IPs was on both MAPS
and
> ORBS and we also suffered a system break-in that turned into a bandwidth
> saturation DoS for a day or two. No mail at all, no web hosting at all.
Not
> good at all.
>
> Since we don't offer dial-up services, it wasn't a big deal for us to shut
> down all relaying and have our clients use SMTP via their connectivity
> providers, but it does make us look somewhat like a small-time operation
> (okay, we ARE a small-time operation, but...).
>
> We need SMTP authentication, but that's yet another feature WorldMail
doesn't
> have now. We may never get it, or at least not before all the attorneys
put
> their grandkids through law school...
>
> --
> Dave Salovesh
> RAM Associates, Inc.
> (800) 543-3635
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ben Saren [mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 4:55 PM
>> To: Dave Salovesh; Subscribers of WorldMail
>> Subject: RE: aliases
>>
> Unfortunately I cant use EIMS, no because i run Win2k server.
>
> Its okay. Its a dead issue now. I just wanted to see if any of you guys
had
> some hacked way of doing it. No big deal.
>
> HOWEVER, do you guys know much about the Relay settings in Worldmail? I
want
> to restrict relaying as much as possible, but while also not having to
manage
> it everytime a client wants to pop in from a different computer on a
different
> network. Right now its wide open. And if anyone knows those ORBS folks, Im
a
> bit nervous!
>
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 10:38:16 -0400
Subject: Re: aliases
From: Jeffrey Posluns <scripter at secureops dot com>
Offhand, I can't think of any Windows programs that would do what you
want...
The main reason I switched to unix based mail systems was the versatility.
It would take an experienced unix admin at most a few hours to set up a
Linux or OpenBSD based system running sendmail or postfix with appropriate
mods and filters. Then again, the cost for that guy would probably equal
that of buying the commercial software to run on a Windows platform.
I'm using the WebShield SMTP, and am very happy with it (except for a few
minor bugs). I have it situated between an external mail relay (OpenBSD
running postfix) and an internal mail server (POP and IMAP).
Jeff
On 5/24/01 10:05 AM, "Ben Saren" <ben at atomicusa dot com> wrote:
> Do you recommend any freeware for Windows that will do essentially the same
> thing?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeffrey Posluns [mailto:scripter at secureops dot com]
> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 9:40 AM
> To: Dave Salovesh; Subscribers of WorldMail
> Subject: Re: aliases
>
>
> If one insists on using WorldMail for a mail store, one could theoretically
> set up a mail relay with appropriate filters in front of it running
> sendmail, or my favorite: postfix. These are free programs under unix, and
> only require that one have a second computer to install them on. One could
> also purchase a program like NAI WebShield SMTP, and install it on the same
> server as WorldMail (put WebShield on port 25, and WorldMail on port 24 -
> then use the Anti-Virus and Anti-Spam features of WebShield....
>
> As a note, I use scripter at secureops dot com for receipt of mailing lists.. To
> reply to me (and have me read it immediately - as opposed to every day or
> two when I peruse mailng list messages) use jeff at secureops dot com
>
> Regards all,
>
> Jeffrey Posluns, CISA, CISSP, CCNP
> Chief Technology Officer
> SecureOps, Inc.
> Tel: (514) 982-0678 x124
> Fax: (514) 982-0362
> http://www.secureops.com
> PGP: 3206 DE8D 8C90 BAFE 571F
> B60A 4A8C E0FB C4D3 A922
>
> On 5/24/01 9:07 AM, "Dave Salovesh" <salovesh at ramassociates dot com> wrote:
>
>> Me too, but no such luck. Either you need IP specs that exactly cover
> your
>> users and their varied habits, or you need to remain open to relaying and
> hope
>> against hope for the best.
>>
>> I tried the latter, and I pretty much got away with it for almost 6 months
>> before I had to spend ALL my time whacking spam in the outgoing queue. A
>> month later, despite my efforts, one of my WorldMail IPs was on both MAPS
> and
>> ORBS and we also suffered a system break-in that turned into a bandwidth
>> saturation DoS for a day or two. No mail at all, no web hosting at all.
> Not
>> good at all.
>>
>> Since we don't offer dial-up services, it wasn't a big deal for us to shut
>> down all relaying and have our clients use SMTP via their connectivity
>> providers, but it does make us look somewhat like a small-time operation
>> (okay, we ARE a small-time operation, but...).
>>
>> We need SMTP authentication, but that's yet another feature WorldMail
> doesn't
>> have now. We may never get it, or at least not before all the attorneys
> put
>> their grandkids through law school...
>>
>> --
>> Dave Salovesh
>> RAM Associates, Inc.
>> (800) 543-3635
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Ben Saren [mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 4:55 PM
>>> To: Dave Salovesh; Subscribers of WorldMail
>>> Subject: RE: aliases
>>>
>> Unfortunately I cant use EIMS, no because i run Win2k server.
>>
>> Its okay. Its a dead issue now. I just wanted to see if any of you guys
> had
>> some hacked way of doing it. No big deal.
>>
>> HOWEVER, do you guys know much about the Relay settings in Worldmail? I
> want
>> to restrict relaying as much as possible, but while also not having to
> manage
>> it everytime a client wants to pop in from a different computer on a
> different
>> network. Right now its wide open. And if anyone knows those ORBS folks, Im
> a
>> bit nervous!
From: "Chris Lander" <chris at altuscorp dot com>
Subject: RE: aliases
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 09:10:56 -0700
My mail server also got placed on the MAPS list. Luckily, the majority of my
users are on a corporate LAN (away from the mail server) or use DSL with
static IP addresses. So it was a fairly easy task to get their IP addresses
and setup the server to only allowing relaying from those addresses. I do
have a few users that use dial-up with random IP addresses, but tough
cookies for them.
This is my biggest complaint about WorldMail. In the very near future I'll
be replacing my mail server, and I'm lobbying hard to get a UNIX box, or at
least upgrade to a different Windows-based mail server. (My other complaint
is the lousy Java applet for remote administration, but we don't need to go
into that).
+---------------------------------------------------------+
Chris Lander Altus Learning Systems, Inc.
chris at altuscorp dot com (408) 210-7409
+---------------------------------------------------------+
-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Saren [mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 07:06
To: Dave Salovesh; Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: aliases
Wow! Thanks for that little story! I am caught between a rock and a hard
place now! I feel your pain, and I can relate to you small time operation.
Sounds like we are in the same line of biz.
So what have you done SINCE that DoS? Have you turned on the relaying
configs?
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Salovesh [mailto:salovesh at ramassociates dot com]
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 9:07 AM
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: aliases
Me too, but no such luck. Either you need IP specs that exactly cover your
users and their varied habits, or you need to remain open to relaying and
hope against hope for the best.
I tried the latter, and I pretty much got away with it for almost 6 months
before I had to spend ALL my time whacking spam in the outgoing queue. A
month later, despite my efforts, one of my WorldMail IPs was on both MAPS
and ORBS and we also suffered a system break-in that turned into a bandwidth
saturation DoS for a day or two. No mail at all, no web hosting at all.
Not good at all.
Since we don't offer dial-up services, it wasn't a big deal for us to shut
down all relaying and have our clients use SMTP via their connectivity
providers, but it does make us look somewhat like a small-time operation
(okay, we ARE a small-time operation, but...).
We need SMTP authentication, but that's yet another feature WorldMail
doesn't have now. We may never get it, or at least not before all the
attorneys put their grandkids through law school...
--
Dave Salovesh
RAM Associates, Inc.
(800) 543-3635
-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Saren [mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 4:55 PM
To: Dave Salovesh; Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: aliases
Unfortunately I cant use EIMS, no because i run Win2k server.
Its okay. Its a dead issue now. I just wanted to see if any of you guys had
some hacked way of doing it. No big deal.
HOWEVER, do you guys know much about the Relay settings in Worldmail? I want
to restrict relaying as much as possible, but while also not having to
manage it everytime a client wants to pop in from a different computer on a
different network. Right now its wide open. And if anyone knows those ORBS
folks, Im a bit nervous!
From: "Brian Augustine" <brian at meetingsplus dot com>
Subject: RE: aliases
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 09:16:13 -0700
We have remote users who dial in, and it is unacceptable for them to use
their providers SMTP server.. sooooo, we set up a VPN. Win NT 4.0 Server
comes with PPTP, so getting it up and running is really simple. Just have
to open up your firewall for GRE packets and whatever the TCP port number
is.
And damn, I need to come up with a cool sig. You guys all sound so
important. :P
-Brian
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Lander [mailto:chris at altuscorp dot com]
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 9:11 AM
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: aliases
My mail server also got placed on the MAPS list. Luckily, the majority of my
users are on a corporate LAN (away from the mail server) or use DSL with
static IP addresses. So it was a fairly easy task to get their IP addresses
and setup the server to only allowing relaying from those addresses. I do
have a few users that use dial-up with random IP addresses, but tough
cookies for them.
This is my biggest complaint about WorldMail. In the very near future I'll
be replacing my mail server, and I'm lobbying hard to get a UNIX box, or at
least upgrade to a different Windows-based mail server. (My other complaint
is the lousy Java applet for remote administration, but we don't need to go
into that).
+---------------------------------------------------------+
Chris Lander Altus Learning Systems, Inc.
chris at altuscorp dot com (408) 210-7409
+---------------------------------------------------------+
-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Saren [mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 07:06
To: Dave Salovesh; Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: aliases
Wow! Thanks for that little story! I am caught between a rock and a hard
place now! I feel your pain, and I can relate to you small time operation.
Sounds like we are in the same line of biz.
So what have you done SINCE that DoS? Have you turned on the relaying
configs?
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Salovesh [mailto:salovesh at ramassociates dot com]
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 9:07 AM
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: aliases
Me too, but no such luck. Either you need IP specs that exactly cover your
users and their varied habits, or you need to remain open to relaying and
hope against hope for the best.
I tried the latter, and I pretty much got away with it for almost 6 months
before I had to spend ALL my time whacking spam in the outgoing queue. A
month later, despite my efforts, one of my WorldMail IPs was on both MAPS
and ORBS and we also suffered a system break-in that turned into a bandwidth
saturation DoS for a day or two. No mail at all, no web hosting at all.
Not good at all.
Since we don't offer dial-up services, it wasn't a big deal for us to shut
down all relaying and have our clients use SMTP via their connectivity
providers, but it does make us look somewhat like a small-time operation
(okay, we ARE a small-time operation, but...).
We need SMTP authentication, but that's yet another feature WorldMail
doesn't have now. We may never get it, or at least not before all the
attorneys put their grandkids through law school...
--
Dave Salovesh
RAM Associates, Inc.
(800) 543-3635
-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Saren [mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 4:55 PM
To: Dave Salovesh; Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: aliases
Unfortunately I cant use EIMS, no because i run Win2k server.
Its okay. Its a dead issue now. I just wanted to see if any of you guys had
some hacked way of doing it. No big deal.
HOWEVER, do you guys know much about the Relay settings in Worldmail? I want
to restrict relaying as much as possible, but while also not having to
manage it everytime a client wants to pop in from a different computer on a
different network. Right now its wide open. And if anyone knows those ORBS
folks, Im a bit nervous!
From: "Ben Saren" <ben at atomicusa dot com>
Subject: RE: aliases
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 12:30:09 -0400
We just like to SOUND that way though Brian! :)
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Augustine [mailto:brian at meetingsplus dot com]
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 12:16 PM
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: aliases
We have remote users who dial in, and it is unacceptable for them to use
their providers SMTP server.. sooooo, we set up a VPN. Win NT 4.0 Server
comes with PPTP, so getting it up and running is really simple. Just have
to open up your firewall for GRE packets and whatever the TCP port number
is.
And damn, I need to come up with a cool sig. You guys all sound so
important. :P
-Brian
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Lander [mailto:chris at altuscorp dot com]
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 9:11 AM
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: aliases
My mail server also got placed on the MAPS list. Luckily, the majority of my
users are on a corporate LAN (away from the mail server) or use DSL with
static IP addresses. So it was a fairly easy task to get their IP addresses
and setup the server to only allowing relaying from those addresses. I do
have a few users that use dial-up with random IP addresses, but tough
cookies for them.
This is my biggest complaint about WorldMail. In the very near future I'll
be replacing my mail server, and I'm lobbying hard to get a UNIX box, or at
least upgrade to a different Windows-based mail server. (My other complaint
is the lousy Java applet for remote administration, but we don't need to go
into that).
+---------------------------------------------------------+
Chris Lander Altus Learning Systems, Inc.
chris at altuscorp dot com (408) 210-7409
+---------------------------------------------------------+
-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Saren [mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 07:06
To: Dave Salovesh; Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: aliases
Wow! Thanks for that little story! I am caught between a rock and a hard
place now! I feel your pain, and I can relate to you small time operation.
Sounds like we are in the same line of biz.
So what have you done SINCE that DoS? Have you turned on the relaying
configs?
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Salovesh [mailto:salovesh at ramassociates dot com]
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 9:07 AM
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: aliases
Me too, but no such luck. Either you need IP specs that exactly cover your
users and their varied habits, or you need to remain open to relaying and
hope against hope for the best.
I tried the latter, and I pretty much got away with it for almost 6 months
before I had to spend ALL my time whacking spam in the outgoing queue. A
month later, despite my efforts, one of my WorldMail IPs was on both MAPS
and ORBS and we also suffered a system break-in that turned into a bandwidth
saturation DoS for a day or two. No mail at all, no web hosting at all.
Not good at all.
Since we don't offer dial-up services, it wasn't a big deal for us to shut
down all relaying and have our clients use SMTP via their connectivity
providers, but it does make us look somewhat like a small-time operation
(okay, we ARE a small-time operation, but...).
We need SMTP authentication, but that's yet another feature WorldMail
doesn't have now. We may never get it, or at least not before all the
attorneys put their grandkids through law school...
--
Dave Salovesh
RAM Associates, Inc.
(800) 543-3635
-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Saren [mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 4:55 PM
To: Dave Salovesh; Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: aliases
Unfortunately I cant use EIMS, no because i run Win2k server.
Its okay. Its a dead issue now. I just wanted to see if any of you guys had
some hacked way of doing it. No big deal.
HOWEVER, do you guys know much about the Relay settings in Worldmail? I want
to restrict relaying as much as possible, but while also not having to
manage it everytime a client wants to pop in from a different computer on a
different network. Right now its wide open. And if anyone knows those ORBS
folks, Im a bit nervous!
From: Dave Salovesh <salovesh at ramassociates dot com>
Subject: RE: aliases
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 12:49:48 -0400
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The DoS was only circumstantially related, if at all - the route inside was
a well known Microsoft IIS bug, and the vulnerable server was the sole
machine I trusted my former supervisor to set up without my help. It was
vulnerable without incident for 9 months, until the same general time as
when I saw a huge spike in spam relayed through us. Coincidence? Maybe,
maybe not. Regardless, it has since been fixed, and the lessons have been
learned, more or less, I hope, and we're not blacklisted anywhere I know of.
My WorldMail relay config now DENYs all (except specified IPs). None of my
clients have seen the value of getting static IPs (we're not only
small-time, we're cheap, and our clients tend to be pretty cheap as well) so
I've effectively turned off outbound SMTP from clients.
That works for me, but is not generally a good way to do business.
I'm on this list because I need to support our current technologies, but I'm
looking for adequate replacements all around - WorldMail is a dead-end as
far as I'm concerned, and MS is bullying everyone out of the mature NT4
environment and into Windows2000 or newer by the end of the year. As long
as I'll need to learn a new way of doing things, I'm considering
Linux/sendmail/postfix/... options, but my only Linux experience so far is
on our DNS servers (but that's still more time than I've spent with 2000
server). My favorite option for Windows so far is CommuniGate Pro, but I'm
not in a phase where I can evaluate it well right now.
--
Dave Salovesh
RAM Associates, Inc.
(800) 543-3635
-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Saren [mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 10:06 AM
To: Dave Salovesh; Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: aliases
Wow! Thanks for that little story! I am caught between a rock and a hard
place now! I feel your pain, and I can relate to you small time operation.
Sounds like we are in the same line of biz.
So what have you done SINCE that DoS? Have you turned on the relaying
configs?
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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class1574514-24052001>The
DoS was only circumstantially related, if at all - the route inside was a well
known Microsoft IIS bug, and the vulnerable server was the sole machine I
trusted my former supervisor to set up without my help. It was vulnerable
without incident for 9 months, until the same general time as when I saw a huge
spike in spam relayed through us. Coincidence? Maybe, maybe
not. Regardless, it has since been fixed, and the lessons have been
learned, more or less, I hope, and we're not blacklisted anywhere I know
of.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class1574514-24052001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class1574514-24052001>My
WorldMail relay config now DENYs all (except specified IPs). None of
my clients have seen the value of getting static IPs (we're not only small-time,
we're cheap, and our clients tend to be pretty cheap as well) so I've
effectively turned off outbound SMTP from clients. </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class1574514-24052001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class1574514-24052001>That
works for me, but is not generally a good way to do
business.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class1574514-24052001>I'm on
this list because I need to support our current technologies, but I'm looking
for adequate replacements all around - WorldMail is a dead-end as far as
I'm concerned, and MS is bullying everyone out of the mature NT4 environment and
into Windows2000 or newer by the end of the year. As long as I'll
need to learn a new way of doing things, I'm considering
Linux/sendmail/postfix/... options, but my only Linux experience so far is on
our DNS servers (but that's still more time than I've spent with 2000
server). My favorite option for Windows so far is CommuniGate Pro, but I'm
not in a phase where I can evaluate it well right now.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<P><FONT size=2>--<BR>Dave Salovesh<BR>RAM Associates, Inc.<BR>(800)
543-3635<BR><BR></FONT></P>
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<DIV align=left class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Ben Saren
[mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, May 24, 2001 10:06
AM<BR><B>To:</B> Dave Salovesh; Subscribers of WorldMail<BR><B>Subject:</B>
RE: aliases<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV><SPAN class=247120114-24052001><FONT color=#0000ff face=Tahoma
size=2>Wow! Thanks for that little story! I am caught between a rock and a
hard place now! I feel your pain, and I can relate to you small time
operation. Sounds like we are in the same line of biz.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=247120114-24052001><FONT color=#0000ff face=Tahoma
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=247120114-24052001><FONT color=#0000ff face=Tahoma size=2>So
what have you done SINCE that DoS? Have you turned on the relaying
configs?</FONT></SPAN></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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From: "Ben Saren" <ben at atomicusa dot com>
Subject: RE: aliases
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 13:03:43 -0400
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CommuniGate Pro is a terrific program. I built and configured a CGPro mail
system for one of my clients. Terrific application... BUT not very friendly
on the administration side. It was certainly built for Unix and not for
Win2k.. it just works for it.
So once I got acquainted, I fell in love. Its a bit more pricey than
Worldmail... thats why i opted for Worldmail. Im partially regretting that
now.
Either way, sounds like you got things pretty tight. I subscribe to the MS
security bullitens. They are very handy. Latest one is the Media Player
buffer bug. Thats a nerve wracking one! They suggest 7.1. Man... they
release more bugs than a swamp in florida!
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Salovesh [mailto:salovesh at ramassociates dot com]
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 12:50 PM
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: aliases
The DoS was only circumstantially related, if at all - the route inside
was a well known Microsoft IIS bug, and the vulnerable server was the sole
machine I trusted my former supervisor to set up without my help. It was
vulnerable without incident for 9 months, until the same general time as
when I saw a huge spike in spam relayed through us. Coincidence? Maybe,
maybe not. Regardless, it has since been fixed, and the lessons have been
learned, more or less, I hope, and we're not blacklisted anywhere I know of.
My WorldMail relay config now DENYs all (except specified IPs). None of
my clients have seen the value of getting static IPs (we're not only
small-time, we're cheap, and our clients tend to be pretty cheap as well) so
I've effectively turned off outbound SMTP from clients.
That works for me, but is not generally a good way to do business.
I'm on this list because I need to support our current technologies, but
I'm looking for adequate replacements all around - WorldMail is a dead-end
as far as I'm concerned, and MS is bullying everyone out of the mature NT4
environment and into Windows2000 or newer by the end of the year. As long
as I'll need to learn a new way of doing things, I'm considering
Linux/sendmail/postfix/... options, but my only Linux experience so far is
on our DNS servers (but that's still more time than I've spent with 2000
server). My favorite option for Windows so far is CommuniGate Pro, but I'm
not in a phase where I can evaluate it well right now.
--
Dave Salovesh
RAM Associates, Inc.
(800) 543-3635
-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Saren [mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 10:06 AM
To: Dave Salovesh; Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: aliases
Wow! Thanks for that little story! I am caught between a rock and a hard
place now! I feel your pain, and I can relate to you small time operation.
Sounds like we are in the same line of biz.
So what have you done SINCE that DoS? Have you turned on the relaying
configs?
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<DIV><SPAN class8370017-24052001><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#0000ff
size=2>CommuniGate Pro is a terrific program. I built and configured a
CGPro
mail system for one of my clients. Terrific application... BUT not very
friendly
on the administration side. It was certainly built for Unix and not for
Win2k..
it just works for it.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class8370017-24052001><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class8370017-24052001><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#0000ff size=2>So
once I got acquainted, I fell in love. Its a bit more pricey than
Worldmail...
thats why i opted for Worldmail. Im partially regretting that
now.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class8370017-24052001><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class8370017-24052001><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#0000ff
size=2>Either way, sounds like you got things pretty tight. I
subscribe to the
MS security bullitens. They are very handy. Latest one is the Media
Player
buffer bug. Thats a nerve wracking one! They suggest 7.1. Man... they
release
more bugs than a swamp in florida!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class8370017-24052001></SPAN> </DIV>
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face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Dave Salovesh
[mailto:salovesh at ramassociates dot com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, May 24,
2001
12:50 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Subscribers of WorldMail<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE:
aliases<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class1574514-24052001>The
DoS was only circumstantially related, if at all - the route inside
was a well
known Microsoft IIS bug, and the vulnerable server was the sole
machine I
trusted my former supervisor to set up without my help. It was
vulnerable without incident for 9 months, until the same general time
as when
I saw a huge spike in spam relayed through us.
Coincidence? Maybe,
maybe not. Regardless, it has since been fixed, and the lessons
have
been learned, more or less, I hope, and we're not blacklisted anywhere
I know
of.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class1574514-24052001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class1574514-24052001>My
WorldMail relay config now DENYs all (except specified
IPs). None
of my clients have seen the value of getting static IPs (we're not
only
small-time, we're cheap, and our clients tend to be pretty cheap as
well) so
I've effectively turned off outbound SMTP from clients.
</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class1574514-24052001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class1574514-24052001>That
works for me, but is not generally a good way to do
business.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class1574514-24052001>I'm
on this list because I need to support our current technologies, but
I'm
looking for adequate replacements all around - WorldMail is a
dead-end as
far as I'm concerned, and MS is bullying everyone out of the mature
NT4
environment and into Windows2000 or newer by the end of the
year.
As long as I'll need to learn a new way of doing things, I'm
considering
Linux/sendmail/postfix/... options, but my only Linux experience so
far is on
our DNS servers (but that's still more time than I've spent with 2000
server). My favorite option for Windows so far is CommuniGate
Pro, but
I'm not in a phase where I can evaluate it well right
now.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<P><FONT size=2>--<BR>Dave Salovesh<BR>RAM Associates, Inc.<BR>(800)
543-3635<BR><BR></FONT></P>
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face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Ben Saren
[mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, May 24, 2001
10:06
AM<BR><B>To:</B> Dave Salovesh; Subscribers of
WorldMail<BR><B>Subject:</B>
RE: aliases<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV><SPAN class=247120114-24052001><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#0000ff
size=2>Wow! Thanks for that little story! I am caught between a
rock and a
hard place now! I feel your pain, and I can relate to you small time
operation. Sounds like we are in the same line of
biz.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=247120114-24052001><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=247120114-24052001><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#0000ff
size=2>So what have you done SINCE that DoS? Have you turned
on the
relaying
configs?</FONT></SPAN></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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From: "Paul Webster" <paul at spidersweb.freeserve.co dot uk>
Subject: RE: aliases
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 09:41:19 +0100
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If you liked they way that WorldMail worked - but want some more modern
features - then my suggestion is that you try to persuade CP (old ISOCOR
part) to give you an evaluation copy of IMS (formerly N-PLEX). WorldMail is
basically N-PLEX Office [V1.2 I think] ... and IMS is N-PLEX V5.5 [with V6
due soon]
It is fully supported on Windows NT4 and Windows 2000 [and AIX, Solaris,
SGI].
It will look very familiar to you - but has stacks of features added over
the 3 or so years since the Qualcomm version.
I suspect that a problem that you will have is getting an eval copy - since
it is aimed as ISPs and huge corporates ... but it really works fine in
small installations.
CP has clearly been going through a hard time recently - but the underlying
software (particularly the "insource" mail server) remains as good as ever.
If people are interested - I expect I could find list of the feature add-ons
from the post1.x release notes.
Maybe Qualcomm will one day take on the new version or even find an
alternative supplier for similar technology.
Paul [ex ISOCOR/CP]
-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Saren [mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]
Sent: 24 May 2001 18:04
To: Dave Salovesh; Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: aliases
CommuniGate Pro is a terrific program. I built and configured a CGPro mail
system for one of my clients. Terrific application... BUT not very friendly
on the administration side. It was certainly built for Unix and not for
Win2k.. it just works for it.
So once I got acquainted, I fell in love. Its a bit more pricey than
Worldmail... thats why i opted for Worldmail. Im partially regretting that
now.
Either way, sounds like you got things pretty tight. I subscribe to the MS
security bullitens. They are very handy. Latest one is the Media Player
buffer bug. Thats a nerve wracking one! They suggest 7.1. Man... they
release more bugs than a swamp in florida!
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Salovesh [mailto:salovesh at ramassociates dot com]
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 12:50 PM
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: aliases
The DoS was only circumstantially related, if at all - the route inside
was a well known Microsoft IIS bug, and the vulnerable server was the sole
machine I trusted my former supervisor to set up without my help. It was
vulnerable without incident for 9 months, until the same general time as
when I saw a huge spike in spam relayed through us. Coincidence? Maybe,
maybe not. Regardless, it has since been fixed, and the lessons have been
learned, more or less, I hope, and we're not blacklisted anywhere I know of.
My WorldMail relay config now DENYs all (except specified IPs). None of
my clients have seen the value of getting static IPs (we're not only
small-time, we're cheap, and our clients tend to be pretty cheap as well) so
I've effectively turned off outbound SMTP from clients.
That works for me, but is not generally a good way to do business.
I'm on this list because I need to support our current technologies, but
I'm looking for adequate replacements all around - WorldMail is a dead-end
as far as I'm concerned, and MS is bullying everyone out of the mature NT4
environment and into Windows2000 or newer by the end of the year. As long
as I'll need to learn a new way of doing things, I'm considering
Linux/sendmail/postfix/... options, but my only Linux experience so far is
on our DNS servers (but that's still more time than I've spent with 2000
server). My favorite option for Windows so far is CommuniGate Pro, but I'm
not in a phase where I can evaluate it well right now.
--
Dave Salovesh
RAM Associates, Inc.
(800) 543-3635
-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Saren [mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 10:06 AM
To: Dave Salovesh; Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: aliases
Wow! Thanks for that little story! I am caught between a rock and a hard
place now! I feel your pain, and I can relate to you small time operation.
Sounds like we are in the same line of biz.
So what have you done SINCE that DoS? Have you turned on the relaying
configs?
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=468142408-25052001>If you
liked they way that WorldMail worked - but want some more modern
features - then
my suggestion is that you try to persuade CP (old ISOCOR part) to give
you an
evaluation copy of IMS (formerly N-PLEX). WorldMail is basically N-PLEX
Office
[V1.2 I think] ... and IMS is N-PLEX V5.5 [with V6 due
soon]</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=468142408-25052001>It is
fully supported on Windows NT4 and Windows 2000 [and AIX, Solaris,
SGI].</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=468142408-25052001>It
will look very familiar to you - but has stacks of features added over
the 3 or
so years since the Qualcomm version.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=468142408-25052001>I
suspect that a problem that you will have is getting an eval copy -
since it is
aimed as ISPs and huge corporates ... but it really works fine in small
installations.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=468142408-25052001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=468142408-25052001>CP has
clearly been going through a hard time recently - but the
underlying
software (particularly the "insource" mail server) remains as good as
ever.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=468142408-25052001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=468142408-25052001>If
people are interested - I expect I could find list of the feature
add-ons from
the post1.x release notes.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=468142408-25052001>Maybe
Qualcomm will one day take on the new version or even find an
alternative
supplier for similar technology.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=468142408-25052001></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff
size=2><SPAN class=468142408-25052001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=468142408-25052001>Paul
[ex ISOCOR/CP]</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Ben Saren
[mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> 24 May 2001
18:04<BR><B>To:</B> Dave
Salovesh; Subscribers of WorldMail<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE:
aliases<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class8370017-24052001><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#0000ff
size=2>CommuniGate Pro is a terrific program. I built and configured a
CGPro
mail system for one of my clients. Terrific application... BUT not very
friendly
on the administration side. It was certainly built for Unix and not for
Win2k..
it just works for it.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class8370017-24052001><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class8370017-24052001><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#0000ff size=2>So
once I got acquainted, I fell in love. Its a bit more pricey than
Worldmail...
thats why i opted for Worldmail. Im partially regretting that
now.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class8370017-24052001><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class8370017-24052001><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#0000ff
size=2>Either way, sounds like you got things pretty tight. I
subscribe to the
MS security bullitens. They are very handy. Latest one is the Media
Player
buffer bug. Thats a nerve wracking one! They suggest 7.1. Man... they
release
more bugs than a swamp in florida!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class8370017-24052001></SPAN> </DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT
face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Dave Salovesh
[mailto:salovesh at ramassociates dot com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, May 24,
2001
12:50 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Subscribers of WorldMail<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE:
aliases<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class1574514-24052001>The
DoS was only circumstantially related, if at all - the route inside
was a well
known Microsoft IIS bug, and the vulnerable server was the sole
machine I
trusted my former supervisor to set up without my help. It was
vulnerable without incident for 9 months, until the same general time
as when
I saw a huge spike in spam relayed through us.
Coincidence? Maybe,
maybe not. Regardless, it has since been fixed, and the lessons
have
been learned, more or less, I hope, and we're not blacklisted anywhere
I know
of.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class1574514-24052001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class1574514-24052001>My
WorldMail relay config now DENYs all (except specified
IPs). None
of my clients have seen the value of getting static IPs (we're not
only
small-time, we're cheap, and our clients tend to be pretty cheap as
well) so
I've effectively turned off outbound SMTP from clients.
</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class1574514-24052001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class1574514-24052001>That
works for me, but is not generally a good way to do
business.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class1574514-24052001>I'm
on this list because I need to support our current technologies, but
I'm
looking for adequate replacements all around - WorldMail is a
dead-end as
far as I'm concerned, and MS is bullying everyone out of the mature
NT4
environment and into Windows2000 or newer by the end of the
year.
As long as I'll need to learn a new way of doing things, I'm
considering
Linux/sendmail/postfix/... options, but my only Linux experience so
far is on
our DNS servers (but that's still more time than I've spent with 2000
server). My favorite option for Windows so far is CommuniGate
Pro, but
I'm not in a phase where I can evaluate it well right
now.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<P><FONT size=2>--<BR>Dave Salovesh<BR>RAM Associates, Inc.<BR>(800)
543-3635<BR><BR></FONT></P>
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face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Ben Saren
[mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, May 24, 2001
10:06
AM<BR><B>To:</B> Dave Salovesh; Subscribers of
WorldMail<BR><B>Subject:</B>
RE: aliases<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV><SPAN class=247120114-24052001><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#0000ff
size=2>Wow! Thanks for that little story! I am caught between a
rock and a
hard place now! I feel your pain, and I can relate to you small time
operation. Sounds like we are in the same line of
biz.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=247120114-24052001><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=247120114-24052001><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#0000ff
size=2>So what have you done SINCE that DoS? Have you turned
on the
relaying
configs?</FONT></SPAN></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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From: "Peter Martin" <p.martin at ies.uk dot com>
Subject: Re: aliases
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 15:52:45 +0100
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You don't have a copy of the ISOCOR toolkit do you? I've been looking
for this for a while but can't find anyone who has a copy, I understand
from local myth that this give you the ability to build blacklists and
anti relay code etc.
Peter
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Webster
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 9:41 AM
Subject: RE: aliases
If you liked they way that WorldMail worked - but want some more
modern features - then my suggestion is that you try to persuade CP (old
ISOCOR part) to give you an evaluation copy of IMS (formerly N-PLEX).
WorldMail is basically N-PLEX Office [V1.2 I think] ... and IMS is
N-PLEX V5.5 [with V6 due soon]
It is fully supported on Windows NT4 and Windows 2000 [and AIX,
Solaris, SGI].
It will look very familiar to you - but has stacks of features added
over the 3 or so years since the Qualcomm version.
I suspect that a problem that you will have is getting an eval copy -
since it is aimed as ISPs and huge corporates ... but it really works
fine in small installations.
CP has clearly been going through a hard time recently - but the
underlying software (particularly the "insource" mail server) remains as
good as ever.
If people are interested - I expect I could find list of the feature
add-ons from the post1.x release notes.
Maybe Qualcomm will one day take on the new version or even find an
alternative supplier for similar technology.
Paul [ex ISOCOR/CP]
-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Saren [mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]
Sent: 24 May 2001 18:04
To: Dave Salovesh; Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: aliases
CommuniGate Pro is a terrific program. I built and configured a CGPro
mail system for one of my clients. Terrific application... BUT not very
friendly on the administration side. It was certainly built for Unix and
not for Win2k.. it just works for it.
So once I got acquainted, I fell in love. Its a bit more pricey than
Worldmail... thats why i opted for Worldmail. Im partially regretting
that now.
Either way, sounds like you got things pretty tight. I subscribe to
the MS security bullitens. They are very handy. Latest one is the Media
Player buffer bug. Thats a nerve wracking one! They suggest 7.1. Man...
they release more bugs than a swamp in florida!
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Salovesh [mailto:salovesh at ramassociates dot com]
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 12:50 PM
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: aliases
The DoS was only circumstantially related, if at all - the route
inside was a well known Microsoft IIS bug, and the vulnerable server was
the sole machine I trusted my former supervisor to set up without my
help. It was vulnerable without incident for 9 months, until the same
general time as when I saw a huge spike in spam relayed through us.
Coincidence? Maybe, maybe not. Regardless, it has since been fixed,
and the lessons have been learned, more or less, I hope, and we're not
blacklisted anywhere I know of.
My WorldMail relay config now DENYs all (except specified IPs).
None of my clients have seen the value of getting static IPs (we're not
only small-time, we're cheap, and our clients tend to be pretty cheap as
well) so I've effectively turned off outbound SMTP from clients.
That works for me, but is not generally a good way to do business.
I'm on this list because I need to support our current technologies,
but I'm looking for adequate replacements all around - WorldMail is a
dead-end as far as I'm concerned, and MS is bullying everyone out of the
mature NT4 environment and into Windows2000 or newer by the end of the
year. As long as I'll need to learn a new way of doing things, I'm
considering Linux/sendmail/postfix/... options, but my only Linux
experience so far is on our DNS servers (but that's still more time than
I've spent with 2000 server). My favorite option for Windows so far is
CommuniGate Pro, but I'm not in a phase where I can evaluate it well
right now.
--
Dave Salovesh
RAM Associates, Inc.
(800) 543-3635
-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Saren [mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 10:06 AM
To: Dave Salovesh; Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: aliases
Wow! Thanks for that little story! I am caught between a rock and
a hard place now! I feel your pain, and I can relate to you small time
operation. Sounds like we are in the same line of biz.
So what have you done SINCE that DoS? Have you turned on the
relaying configs?
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>You don't have a copy of the ISOCOR
toolkit do
you? I've been looking for this for a while but can't find anyone
who has
a copy, I understand from local myth that this give you the ability to
build
blacklists and anti relay code etc.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Peter</FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr
style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px;
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color:
black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=paul at spidersweb.freeserve.co dot uk
href="mailto:paul at spidersweb.freeserve dot co dot uk">Paul Webster</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=worldmail at lists.pensive dot org
href="mailto:worldmail at lists dot pensive dot org">Subscribers of
WorldMail</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, May 25, 2001 9:41
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: aliases</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=468142408-25052001>If
you liked they way that WorldMail worked - but want some more modern
features
- then my suggestion is that you try to persuade CP (old ISOCOR part)
to give
you an evaluation copy of IMS (formerly N-PLEX). WorldMail is
basically N-PLEX
Office [V1.2 I think] ... and IMS is N-PLEX V5.5 [with V6 due
soon]</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=468142408-25052001>It
is fully supported on Windows NT4 and Windows 2000 [and AIX, Solaris,
SGI].</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=468142408-25052001>It
will look very familiar to you - but has stacks of features added over
the 3
or so years since the Qualcomm version.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=468142408-25052001>I
suspect that a problem that you will have is getting an eval copy -
since it
is aimed as ISPs and huge corporates ... but it really works fine in
small
installations.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=468142408-25052001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=468142408-25052001>CP
has clearly been going through a hard time recently - but the
underlying
software (particularly the "insource" mail server) remains as good as
ever.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=468142408-25052001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=468142408-25052001>If
people are interested - I expect I could find list of the feature
add-ons from
the post1.x release notes.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=468142408-25052001>Maybe Qualcomm will one day take on the new
version
or even find an alternative supplier for similar
technology.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=468142408-25052001></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff
size=2><SPAN class=468142408-25052001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=468142408-25052001>Paul
[ex ISOCOR/CP]</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Ben Saren
[mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> 24 May 2001
18:04<BR><B>To:</B>
Dave Salovesh; Subscribers of WorldMail<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE:
aliases<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class8370017-24052001><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#0000ff
size=2>CommuniGate Pro is a terrific program. I built and configured
a CGPro
mail system for one of my clients. Terrific application... BUT not
very
friendly on the administration side. It was certainly built for Unix
and not
for Win2k.. it just works for it.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class8370017-24052001><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class8370017-24052001><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#0000ff size=2>So
once I got acquainted, I fell in love. Its a bit more pricey than
Worldmail...
thats why i opted for Worldmail. Im partially regretting that
now.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class8370017-24052001><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class8370017-24052001><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#0000ff
size=2>Either way, sounds like you got things pretty tight. I
subscribe to the
MS security bullitens. They are very handy. Latest one is the Media
Player
buffer bug. Thats a nerve wracking one! They suggest 7.1. Man... they
release
more bugs than a swamp in florida!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class8370017-24052001></SPAN> </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT
face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Dave Salovesh
[mailto:salovesh at ramassociates dot com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, May
24, 2001
12:50 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Subscribers of WorldMail<BR><B>Subject:</B>
RE:
aliases<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class1574514-24052001>The DoS was only circumstantially
related, if at
all - the route inside was a well known Microsoft IIS bug, and the
vulnerable server was the sole machine I trusted my former
supervisor to set
up without my help. It was vulnerable without incident for 9
months,
until the same general time as when I saw a huge spike in spam
relayed
through us. Coincidence? Maybe, maybe not.
Regardless, it
has since been fixed, and the lessons have been learned, more or
less, I
hope, and we're not blacklisted anywhere I know
of.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class1574514-24052001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class1574514-24052001>My
WorldMail relay config now DENYs all (except specified
IPs). None
of my clients have seen the value of getting static IPs (we're not
only
small-time, we're cheap, and our clients tend to be pretty cheap as
well) so
I've effectively turned off outbound SMTP from clients.
</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class1574514-24052001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class1574514-24052001>That works for me, but is not generally a
good way
to do business.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class1574514-24052001>I'm on this list because I need to
support our
current technologies, but I'm looking for adequate replacements all
around -
WorldMail is a dead-end as far as I'm concerned, and MS is
bullying
everyone out of the mature NT4 environment and into Windows2000
or newer by the end of the year. As long as I'll need to
learn a
new way of doing things, I'm considering Linux/sendmail/postfix/...
options,
but my only Linux experience so far is on our DNS servers (but
that's still
more time than I've spent with 2000 server). My favorite
option for
Windows so far is CommuniGate Pro, but I'm not in a phase where I
can
evaluate it well right now.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<P><FONT size=2>--<BR>Dave Salovesh<BR>RAM Associates,
Inc.<BR>(800)
543-3635<BR><BR></FONT></P>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr
style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff
2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT
face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Ben Saren
[mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, May 24, 2001
10:06
AM<BR><B>To:</B> Dave Salovesh; Subscribers of
WorldMail<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: aliases<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV><SPAN class=247120114-24052001><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#0000ff
size=2>Wow! Thanks for that little story! I am caught between a
rock and a
hard place now! I feel your pain, and I can relate to you small
time
operation. Sounds like we are in the same line of
biz.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=247120114-24052001><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=247120114-24052001><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#0000ff
size=2>So what have you done SINCE that DoS? Have you
turned on the
relaying
configs?</FONT></SPAN></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY
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Subject: RE: aliases
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 19:55:28 +0100
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Bad news first - I don't have API from back then.
But ... I guess that with the IMSFA (Security Filter API) you could do this
... since you could get every message that comes in before it is
relayed/delivered. Then you could analyse the message and check headers to
see where it claims to be from. There is a possibility that IMSFA interface
hasn't changed ... and current IMS SDK will do it for you ... but download
from CP support site requires userid/password.
I think that setting up blacklists might be possible anyway ... can't
remember precisely ... but is it present in the Management GUI under Reject
From.
If so - then everything that can be set by the GUI can readily be set by
other means - and all management commands documented with the software and
visible using ISOTRACE.
IMS includes a number of features out-of-the-box that make all of this much
easier
e.g.:
Enabling POP before SMTP before relay
Enabling SMTP Authentication before relay
RBL/MAPS/ORBS lookup
Paul
-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Martin [mailto:p.martin at ies.uk dot com]
Sent: 25 May 2001 15:53
To: Paul Webster; Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: Re: aliases
You don't have a copy of the ISOCOR toolkit do you? I've been looking for
this for a while but can't find anyone who has a copy, I understand from
local myth that this give you the ability to build blacklists and anti relay
code etc.
Peter
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Webster
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 9:41 AM
Subject: RE: aliases
If you liked they way that WorldMail worked - but want some more modern
features - then my suggestion is that you try to persuade CP (old ISOCOR
part) to give you an evaluation copy of IMS (formerly N-PLEX). WorldMail is
basically N-PLEX Office [V1.2 I think] ... and IMS is N-PLEX V5.5 [with V6
due soon]
It is fully supported on Windows NT4 and Windows 2000 [and AIX, Solaris,
SGI].
It will look very familiar to you - but has stacks of features added over
the 3 or so years since the Qualcomm version.
I suspect that a problem that you will have is getting an eval copy -
since it is aimed as ISPs and huge corporates ... but it really works fine
in small installations.
CP has clearly been going through a hard time recently - but the
underlying software (particularly the "insource" mail server) remains as
good as ever.
If people are interested - I expect I could find list of the feature
add-ons from the post1.x release notes.
Maybe Qualcomm will one day take on the new version or even find an
alternative supplier for similar technology.
Paul [ex ISOCOR/CP]
-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Saren [mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]
Sent: 24 May 2001 18:04
To: Dave Salovesh; Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: aliases
CommuniGate Pro is a terrific program. I built and configured a CGPro mail
system for one of my clients. Terrific application... BUT not very friendly
on the administration side. It was certainly built for Unix and not for
Win2k.. it just works for it.
So once I got acquainted, I fell in love. Its a bit more pricey than
Worldmail... thats why i opted for Worldmail. Im partially regretting that
now.
Either way, sounds like you got things pretty tight. I subscribe to the MS
security bullitens. They are very handy. Latest one is the Media Player
buffer bug. Thats a nerve wracking one! They suggest 7.1. Man... they
release more bugs than a swamp in florida!
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Salovesh [mailto:salovesh at ramassociates dot com]
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 12:50 PM
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: aliases
The DoS was only circumstantially related, if at all - the route inside
was a well known Microsoft IIS bug, and the vulnerable server was the sole
machine I trusted my former supervisor to set up without my help. It was
vulnerable without incident for 9 months, until the same general time as
when I saw a huge spike in spam relayed through us. Coincidence? Maybe,
maybe not. Regardless, it has since been fixed, and the lessons have been
learned, more or less, I hope, and we're not blacklisted anywhere I know of.
My WorldMail relay config now DENYs all (except specified IPs). None of
my clients have seen the value of getting static IPs (we're not only
small-time, we're cheap, and our clients tend to be pretty cheap as well) so
I've effectively turned off outbound SMTP from clients.
That works for me, but is not generally a good way to do business.
I'm on this list because I need to support our current technologies, but
I'm looking for adequate replacements all around - WorldMail is a dead-end
as far as I'm concerned, and MS is bullying everyone out of the mature NT4
environment and into Windows2000 or newer by the end of the year. As long
as I'll need to learn a new way of doing things, I'm considering
Linux/sendmail/postfix/... options, but my only Linux experience so far is
on our DNS servers (but that's still more time than I've spent with 2000
server). My favorite option for Windows so far is CommuniGate Pro, but I'm
not in a phase where I can evaluate it well right now.
--
Dave Salovesh
RAM Associates, Inc.
(800) 543-3635
-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Saren [mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 10:06 AM
To: Dave Salovesh; Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: aliases
Wow! Thanks for that little story! I am caught between a rock and a
hard place now! I feel your pain, and I can relate to you small time
operation. Sounds like we are in the same line of biz.
So what have you done SINCE that DoS? Have you turned on the relaying
configs?
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=198004618-25052001>Bad
news first - I don't have API from back then.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=198004618-25052001>But
... I guess that with the IMSFA (Security Filter API) you could do this
...
since you could get every message that comes in before it is
relayed/delivered. Then you could analyse the message and check
headers to
see where it claims to be from. There is a possibility that IMSFA
interface hasn't changed ... and current IMS SDK will do it for you ...
but
download from CP support site requires
userid/password.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=198004618-25052001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=198004618-25052001>I
think that setting up blacklists might be possible anyway ... can't
remember
precisely ... but is it present in the Management GUI under Reject
From.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=198004618-25052001>If so
- then everything that can be set by the GUI can readily be set by other
means -
and all management commands documented with the software and visible
using
ISOTRACE.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=198004618-25052001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=198004618-25052001>IMS
includes a number of features out-of-the-box that make all of this much
easier</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=198004618-25052001>e.g.:</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=198004618-25052001>Enabling POP before SMTP before
relay</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=198004618-25052001>Enabling SMTP Authentication before
relay</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=198004618-25052001>RBL/MAPS/ORBS lookup</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=198004618-25052001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=198004618-25052001>Paul</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Peter Martin
[mailto:p.martin at ies.uk dot com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> 25 May 2001
15:53<BR><B>To:</B>
Paul Webster; Subscribers of WorldMail<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
aliases<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>You don't have a copy of the ISOCOR
toolkit do
you? I've been looking for this for a while but can't find anyone
who has
a copy, I understand from local myth that this give you the ability to
build
blacklists and anti relay code etc.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Peter</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color:
black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=paul at spidersweb.freeserve.co dot uk
href="mailto:paul at spidersweb.freeserve dot co dot uk">Paul Webster</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=worldmail at lists.pensive dot org
href="mailto:worldmail at lists dot pensive dot org">Subscribers of
WorldMail</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, May 25, 2001 9:41
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: aliases</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=468142408-25052001>If
you liked they way that WorldMail worked - but want some more modern
features
- then my suggestion is that you try to persuade CP (old ISOCOR part)
to give
you an evaluation copy of IMS (formerly N-PLEX). WorldMail is
basically N-PLEX
Office [V1.2 I think] ... and IMS is N-PLEX V5.5 [with V6 due
soon]</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=468142408-25052001>It
is fully supported on Windows NT4 and Windows 2000 [and AIX, Solaris,
SGI].</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=468142408-25052001>It
will look very familiar to you - but has stacks of features added over
the 3
or so years since the Qualcomm version.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=468142408-25052001>I
suspect that a problem that you will have is getting an eval copy -
since it
is aimed as ISPs and huge corporates ... but it really works fine in
small
installations.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=468142408-25052001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=468142408-25052001>CP
has clearly been going through a hard time recently - but the
underlying
software (particularly the "insource" mail server) remains as good as
ever.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=468142408-25052001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=468142408-25052001>If
people are interested - I expect I could find list of the feature
add-ons from
the post1.x release notes.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=468142408-25052001>Maybe Qualcomm will one day take on the new
version
or even find an alternative supplier for similar
technology.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=468142408-25052001></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff
size=2><SPAN class=468142408-25052001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=468142408-25052001>Paul
[ex ISOCOR/CP]</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Ben Saren
[mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> 24 May 2001
18:04<BR><B>To:</B>
Dave Salovesh; Subscribers of WorldMail<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE:
aliases<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class8370017-24052001><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#0000ff
size=2>CommuniGate Pro is a terrific program. I built and configured
a CGPro
mail system for one of my clients. Terrific application... BUT not
very
friendly on the administration side. It was certainly built for Unix
and not
for Win2k.. it just works for it.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class8370017-24052001><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class8370017-24052001><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#0000ff size=2>So
once I got acquainted, I fell in love. Its a bit more pricey than
Worldmail...
thats why i opted for Worldmail. Im partially regretting that
now.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class8370017-24052001><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class8370017-24052001><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#0000ff
size=2>Either way, sounds like you got things pretty tight. I
subscribe to the
MS security bullitens. They are very handy. Latest one is the Media
Player
buffer bug. Thats a nerve wracking one! They suggest 7.1. Man... they
release
more bugs than a swamp in florida!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class8370017-24052001></SPAN> </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT
face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Dave Salovesh
[mailto:salovesh at ramassociates dot com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, May
24, 2001
12:50 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Subscribers of WorldMail<BR><B>Subject:</B>
RE:
aliases<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class1574514-24052001>The DoS was only circumstantially
related, if at
all - the route inside was a well known Microsoft IIS bug, and the
vulnerable server was the sole machine I trusted my former
supervisor to set
up without my help. It was vulnerable without incident for 9
months,
until the same general time as when I saw a huge spike in spam
relayed
through us. Coincidence? Maybe, maybe not.
Regardless, it
has since been fixed, and the lessons have been learned, more or
less, I
hope, and we're not blacklisted anywhere I know
of.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class1574514-24052001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class1574514-24052001>My
WorldMail relay config now DENYs all (except specified
IPs). None
of my clients have seen the value of getting static IPs (we're not
only
small-time, we're cheap, and our clients tend to be pretty cheap as
well) so
I've effectively turned off outbound SMTP from clients.
</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class1574514-24052001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class1574514-24052001>That works for me, but is not generally a
good way
to do business.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class1574514-24052001>I'm on this list because I need to
support our
current technologies, but I'm looking for adequate replacements all
around -
WorldMail is a dead-end as far as I'm concerned, and MS is
bullying
everyone out of the mature NT4 environment and into Windows2000
or newer by the end of the year. As long as I'll need to
learn a
new way of doing things, I'm considering Linux/sendmail/postfix/...
options,
but my only Linux experience so far is on our DNS servers (but
that's still
more time than I've spent with 2000 server). My favorite
option for
Windows so far is CommuniGate Pro, but I'm not in a phase where I
can
evaluate it well right now.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<P><FONT size=2>--<BR>Dave Salovesh<BR>RAM Associates,
Inc.<BR>(800)
543-3635<BR><BR></FONT></P>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT
face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Ben Saren
[mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, May 24, 2001
10:06
AM<BR><B>To:</B> Dave Salovesh; Subscribers of
WorldMail<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: aliases<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV><SPAN class=247120114-24052001><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#0000ff
size=2>Wow! Thanks for that little story! I am caught between a
rock and a
hard place now! I feel your pain, and I can relate to you small
time
operation. Sounds like we are in the same line of
biz.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=247120114-24052001><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=247120114-24052001><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#0000ff
size=2>So what have you done SINCE that DoS? Have you
turned on the
relaying
configs?</FONT></SPAN></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY
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From: "Paul Webster" <paul at spidersweb.freeserve.co dot uk>
Subject: RE: aliases
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 19:50:47 +0100
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That is the majority of it - but missing the .h files [e.g. macros.h,
imsfa.h, debug.h]
Then with those plus the sample code at the end .... a 'C' programmer should
be able to get going pretty quickly.
Paul
-----Original Message-----
From: Doug Anderson [mailto:doug at douglasanderson dot net]
Sent: 30 May 2001 04:14
To: Peter Martin; Paul Webster; Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: aliases
ISOCOR Toolkit
-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Martin [mailto:p.martin at ies.uk dot com]
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 9:53 AM
To: Paul Webster; Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: Re: aliases
You don't have a copy of the ISOCOR toolkit do you? I've been looking for
this for a while but can't find anyone who has a copy, I understand from
local myth that this give you the ability to build blacklists and anti relay
code etc.
Peter
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Webster
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 9:41 AM
Subject: RE: aliases
If you liked they way that WorldMail worked - but want some more modern
features - then my suggestion is that you try to persuade CP (old ISOCOR
part) to give you an evaluation copy of IMS (formerly N-PLEX). WorldMail is
basically N-PLEX Office [V1.2 I think] ... and IMS is N-PLEX V5.5 [with V6
due soon]
It is fully supported on Windows NT4 and Windows 2000 [and AIX, Solaris,
SGI].
It will look very familiar to you - but has stacks of features added
over the 3 or so years since the Qualcomm version.
I suspect that a problem that you will have is getting an eval copy -
since it is aimed as ISPs and huge corporates ... but it really works fine
in small installations.
CP has clearly been going through a hard time recently - but the
underlying software (particularly the "insource" mail server) remains as
good as ever.
If people are interested - I expect I could find list of the feature
add-ons from the post1.x release notes.
Maybe Qualcomm will one day take on the new version or even find an
alternative supplier for similar technology.
Paul [ex ISOCOR/CP]
-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Saren [mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]
Sent: 24 May 2001 18:04
To: Dave Salovesh; Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: aliases
CommuniGate Pro is a terrific program. I built and configured a CGPro
mail system for one of my clients. Terrific application... BUT not very
friendly on the administration side. It was certainly built for Unix and not
for Win2k.. it just works for it.
So once I got acquainted, I fell in love. Its a bit more pricey than
Worldmail... thats why i opted for Worldmail. Im partially regretting that
now.
Either way, sounds like you got things pretty tight. I subscribe to the
MS security bullitens. They are very handy. Latest one is the Media Player
buffer bug. Thats a nerve wracking one! They suggest 7.1. Man... they
release more bugs than a swamp in florida!
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Salovesh [mailto:salovesh at ramassociates dot com]
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 12:50 PM
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: aliases
The DoS was only circumstantially related, if at all - the route
inside was a well known Microsoft IIS bug, and the vulnerable server was the
sole machine I trusted my former supervisor to set up without my help. It
was vulnerable without incident for 9 months, until the same general time as
when I saw a huge spike in spam relayed through us. Coincidence? Maybe,
maybe not. Regardless, it has since been fixed, and the lessons have been
learned, more or less, I hope, and we're not blacklisted anywhere I know of.
My WorldMail relay config now DENYs all (except specified IPs). None
of my clients have seen the value of getting static IPs (we're not only
small-time, we're cheap, and our clients tend to be pretty cheap as well) so
I've effectively turned off outbound SMTP from clients.
That works for me, but is not generally a good way to do business.
I'm on this list because I need to support our current technologies,
but I'm looking for adequate replacements all around - WorldMail is a
dead-end as far as I'm concerned, and MS is bullying everyone out of the
mature NT4 environment and into Windows2000 or newer by the end of the year.
As long as I'll need to learn a new way of doing things, I'm considering
Linux/sendmail/postfix/... options, but my only Linux experience so far is
on our DNS servers (but that's still more time than I've spent with 2000
server). My favorite option for Windows so far is CommuniGate Pro, but I'm
not in a phase where I can evaluate it well right now.
--
Dave Salovesh
RAM Associates, Inc.
(800) 543-3635
-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Saren [mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 10:06 AM
To: Dave Salovesh; Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: aliases
Wow! Thanks for that little story! I am caught between a rock and a
hard place now! I feel your pain, and I can relate to you small time
operation. Sounds like we are in the same line of biz.
So what have you done SINCE that DoS? Have you turned on the
relaying configs?
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<DIV><SPAN class=108144118-01062001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>That
is the majority of it - but missing the .h files [e.g. macros.h,
imsfa.h,
debug.h]</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=108144118-01062001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Then
with those plus the sample code at the end .... a 'C' programmer should
be able
to get going pretty quickly.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=108144118-01062001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=108144118-01062001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Paul</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Doug Anderson
[mailto:doug at douglasanderson dot net]<BR><B>Sent:</B> 30 May 2001
04:14<BR><B>To:</B> Peter Martin; Paul Webster; Subscribers of
WorldMail<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: aliases<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=144475902-29052001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>ISOCOR
Toolkit</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT
face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Peter Martin
[mailto:p.martin at ies.uk dot com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, May 25, 2001 9:53
AM<BR><B>To:</B> Paul Webster; Subscribers of
WorldMail<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
aliases<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>You don't have a copy of the ISOCOR
toolkit do
you? I've been looking for this for a while but can't find
anyone who
has a copy, I understand from local myth that this give you the
ability to
build blacklists and anti relay code etc.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Peter</FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr
style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px;
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color:
black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=paul at spidersweb.freeserve.co dot uk
href="mailto:paul at spidersweb.freeserve dot co dot uk">Paul Webster</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=worldmail at lists.pensive dot org
href="mailto:worldmail at lists dot pensive dot org">Subscribers of
WorldMail</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, May 25, 2001
9:41
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: aliases</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=468142408-25052001>If
you liked they way that WorldMail worked - but want some more modern
features - then my suggestion is that you try to persuade CP (old
ISOCOR
part) to give you an evaluation copy of IMS (formerly N-PLEX).
WorldMail is
basically N-PLEX Office [V1.2 I think] ... and IMS is N-PLEX
V5.5 [with
V6 due soon]</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=468142408-25052001>It
is fully supported on Windows NT4 and Windows 2000 [and AIX,
Solaris,
SGI].</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=468142408-25052001>It
will look very familiar to you - but has stacks of features added
over the 3
or so years since the Qualcomm version.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=468142408-25052001>I
suspect that a problem that you will have is getting an eval copy -
since it
is aimed as ISPs and huge corporates ... but it really works fine in
small
installations.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=468142408-25052001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=468142408-25052001>CP
has clearly been going through a hard time recently - but the
underlying software (particularly the "insource" mail server)
remains as
good as ever.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=468142408-25052001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=468142408-25052001>If
people are interested - I expect I could find list of the feature
add-ons
from the post1.x release notes.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=468142408-25052001>Maybe Qualcomm will one day take on the
new version
or even find an alternative supplier for similar
technology.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=468142408-25052001></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff
size=2><SPAN class=468142408-25052001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=468142408-25052001>Paul [ex ISOCOR/CP]</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Ben Saren
[mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> 24 May 2001
18:04<BR><B>To:</B>
Dave Salovesh; Subscribers of WorldMail<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE:
aliases<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class8370017-24052001><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#0000ff
size=2>CommuniGate Pro is a terrific program. I built and
configured a CGPro
mail system for one of my clients. Terrific application... BUT not
very
friendly on the administration side. It was certainly built for Unix
and not
for Win2k.. it just works for it.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class8370017-24052001><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class8370017-24052001><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#0000ff
size=2>So once I got acquainted, I fell in love. Its a bit more
pricey than
Worldmail... thats why i opted for Worldmail. Im partially
regretting that
now.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class8370017-24052001><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class8370017-24052001><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#0000ff
size=2>Either way, sounds like you got things pretty tight. I
subscribe to
the MS security bullitens. They are very handy. Latest one is the
Media
Player buffer bug. Thats a nerve wracking one! They suggest 7.1.
Man... they
release more bugs than a swamp in florida!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class8370017-24052001></SPAN> </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT
face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Dave Salovesh
[mailto:salovesh at ramassociates dot com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, May
24, 2001
12:50 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Subscribers of WorldMail<BR><B>Subject:</B>
RE:
aliases<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class1574514-24052001>The DoS was only circumstantially
related, if at
all - the route inside was a well known Microsoft IIS bug, and the
vulnerable server was the sole machine I trusted my former
supervisor to
set up without my help. It was vulnerable without incident
for 9
months, until the same general time as when I saw a huge spike in
spam
relayed through us. Coincidence? Maybe, maybe
not.
Regardless, it has since been fixed, and the lessons have been
learned,
more or less, I hope, and we're not blacklisted anywhere I know
of.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class1574514-24052001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class1574514-24052001>My WorldMail relay config now DENYs all
(except specified IPs). None of my clients have seen
the value
of getting static IPs (we're not only small-time, we're cheap, and
our
clients tend to be pretty cheap as well) so I've effectively
turned off
outbound SMTP from clients. </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class1574514-24052001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class1574514-24052001>That works for me, but is not generally
a good
way to do business.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class1574514-24052001>I'm on this list because I need to
support our
current technologies, but I'm looking for adequate replacements
all around
- WorldMail is a dead-end as far as I'm concerned, and MS is
bullying
everyone out of the mature NT4 environment and into Windows2000
or newer by the end of the year. As long as I'll need
to learn
a new way of doing things, I'm considering
Linux/sendmail/postfix/...
options, but my only Linux experience so far is on our DNS servers
(but
that's still more time than I've spent with 2000 server). My
favorite option for Windows so far is CommuniGate Pro, but I'm not
in a
phase where I can evaluate it well right now.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<P><FONT size=2>--<BR>Dave Salovesh<BR>RAM Associates,
Inc.<BR>(800)
543-3635<BR><BR></FONT></P>
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style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff
2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT
face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Ben Saren
[mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, May 24,
2001 10:06
AM<BR><B>To:</B> Dave Salovesh; Subscribers of
WorldMail<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: aliases<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV><SPAN class=247120114-24052001><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#0000ff
size=2>Wow! Thanks for that little story! I am caught between
a rock and
a hard place now! I feel your pain, and I can relate to you
small time
operation. Sounds like we are in the same line of
biz.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=247120114-24052001><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=247120114-24052001><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#0000ff
size=2>So what have you done SINCE that DoS? Have you
turned on
the relaying
configs?</FONT></SPAN></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOC
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From: "Chris Lander" <chris at altuscorp dot com>
Subject: Windows 2000 Support
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 09:32:26 -0700
Hi everyone,
My company is going to be replacing our Windows NT servers with Windows 2000
servers in the next few weeks. Will I be able to use WorldMail 2.0 with W2K?
I've read the support articles on Eudora's website regarding Windows 2000
support (they appear to be taken line-for-line from a 3/31/00 posting to
this list by Gabriel Caunt), but I'm curious what real world experiences
everyone has had.
If Windows 2000 support isn't a viable option for Windows 2000, do you have
any suggestions for another mail server? I'm considering SLMail, but I'm not
set into anything yet.
Thanks in advance.
+---------------------------------------------------------+
Chris Lander Altus Learning Systems, Inc.
chris at altuscorp dot com (408) 210-7409
+---------------------------------------------------------+
From: "Ben Saren" <ben at atomicusa dot com>
Subject: RE: Windows 2000 Support
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 12:42:21 -0400
Yes, I do. One problem though... the "manage" menu freezes when you roll
your mouse over it. But thats not a big deal cuz you can just right click on
an object to manage it.
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Lander [mailto:chris at altuscorp dot com]
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 12:32 PM
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: Windows 2000 Support
Hi everyone,
My company is going to be replacing our Windows NT servers with Windows 2000
servers in the next few weeks. Will I be able to use WorldMail 2.0 with W2K?
I've read the support articles on Eudora's website regarding Windows 2000
support (they appear to be taken line-for-line from a 3/31/00 posting to
this list by Gabriel Caunt), but I'm curious what real world experiences
everyone has had.
If Windows 2000 support isn't a viable option for Windows 2000, do you have
any suggestions for another mail server? I'm considering SLMail, but I'm not
set into anything yet.
Thanks in advance.
+---------------------------------------------------------+
Chris Lander Altus Learning Systems, Inc.
chris at altuscorp dot com (408) 210-7409
+---------------------------------------------------------+
From: "Chris Lander" <chris at altuscorp dot com>
Subject: RE: Windows 2000 Support
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 10:00:39 -0700
Ben,
Thanks, that pretty much confirms what Eudora says in their "support"
articles. Did you have to tweak your registry first?
Just out of curiousity, did you start with a new install of Window 2000, or
did you do an upgrade from Windows NT?
+---------------------------------------------------------+
Chris Lander Altus Learning Systems, Inc.
chris at altuscorp dot com (408) 210-7409
+---------------------------------------------------------+
-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Saren [mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 09:42
To: Chris Lander; Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: Windows 2000 Support
Yes, I do. One problem though... the "manage" menu freezes when you roll
your mouse over it. But thats not a big deal cuz you can just right click on
an object to manage it.
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Lander [mailto:chris at altuscorp dot com]
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 12:32 PM
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: Windows 2000 Support
Hi everyone,
My company is going to be replacing our Windows NT servers with Windows 2000
servers in the next few weeks. Will I be able to use WorldMail 2.0 with W2K?
I've read the support articles on Eudora's website regarding Windows 2000
support (they appear to be taken line-for-line from a 3/31/00 posting to
this list by Gabriel Caunt), but I'm curious what real world experiences
everyone has had.
If Windows 2000 support isn't a viable option for Windows 2000, do you have
any suggestions for another mail server? I'm considering SLMail, but I'm not
set into anything yet.
Thanks in advance.
+---------------------------------------------------------+
Chris Lander Altus Learning Systems, Inc.
chris at altuscorp dot com (408) 210-7409
+---------------------------------------------------------+
From: "Ben Saren" <ben at atomicusa dot com>
Subject: RE: Windows 2000 Support
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 13:10:44 -0400
Brand new server prebuilt with Win2k... Dell PowerEdge 2400.
Yes, I did have to do that rediculous tweak. Although, out off all the
entries Eudora said I had to modify, all but one was fine. The only one that
wasnt correct was the domain name, either that or DNS prim., secondary IPs.
Everything else was fine.
Aside from the common frustrations with Worldmail, I have not had any
problems with on win2k.
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Lander [mailto:chris at altuscorp dot com]
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 1:01 PM
To: Ben Saren; Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: Windows 2000 Support
Ben,
Thanks, that pretty much confirms what Eudora says in their "support"
articles. Did you have to tweak your registry first?
Just out of curiousity, did you start with a new install of Window 2000, or
did you do an upgrade from Windows NT?
+---------------------------------------------------------+
Chris Lander Altus Learning Systems, Inc.
chris at altuscorp dot com (408) 210-7409
+---------------------------------------------------------+
-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Saren [mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 09:42
To: Chris Lander; Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: Windows 2000 Support
Yes, I do. One problem though... the "manage" menu freezes when you roll
your mouse over it. But thats not a big deal cuz you can just right click on
an object to manage it.
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Lander [mailto:chris at altuscorp dot com]
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 12:32 PM
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: Windows 2000 Support
Hi everyone,
My company is going to be replacing our Windows NT servers with Windows 2000
servers in the next few weeks. Will I be able to use WorldMail 2.0 with W2K?
I've read the support articles on Eudora's website regarding Windows 2000
support (they appear to be taken line-for-line from a 3/31/00 posting to
this list by Gabriel Caunt), but I'm curious what real world experiences
everyone has had.
If Windows 2000 support isn't a viable option for Windows 2000, do you have
any suggestions for another mail server? I'm considering SLMail, but I'm not
set into anything yet.
Thanks in advance.
+---------------------------------------------------------+
Chris Lander Altus Learning Systems, Inc.
chris at altuscorp dot com (408) 210-7409
+---------------------------------------------------------+
From: "John Kirchner" <jkirch at jumpsource dot com>
Subject: Relay Problem
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 11:54:43 -0400
Hello All,
I have configured my server to only allow relaying from a certain range of
IP addresses:
IP Subnet
10.0.0.0 255.255.255.0
I also stopped & restarted the SMTP service.
I attached to an external server to test the relay restrictions. If I
configure my tester to use a non-local domain user (ex:
spammer at spamworld dot com) the server rejects the mail. However
if I use a local domain user (ex: spammer at ourdomain dot com) the server lets
the message go through!
What am I missing, somebody please fill me in. Our server just got listed
on an abuse database because of our 'open relay' status.
Thanks
John
From: "Ben Saren" <ben at atomicusa dot com>
Subject: RE: Relay Problem
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 12:04:29 -0400
I like what you've done, but at the same time, whats the point of specifying
that range? Isnt that range basically the same thing as if you put nothing
in there?
Id like to know how to make a public email server NOT suseptible to being
put on ORBS etc.
-----Original Message-----
From: John Kirchner [mailto:jkirch at jumpsource dot com]
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 11:55 AM
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: Relay Problem
Hello All,
I have configured my server to only allow relaying from a certain range of
IP addresses:
IP Subnet
10.0.0.0 255.255.255.0
I also stopped & restarted the SMTP service.
I attached to an external server to test the relay restrictions. If I
configure my tester to use a non-local domain user (ex:
spammer at spamworld dot com) the server rejects the mail. However
if I use a local domain user (ex: spammer at ourdomain dot com) the server lets
the message go through!
What am I missing, somebody please fill me in. Our server just got listed
on an abuse database because of our 'open relay' status.
Thanks
John
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 18:04:10 +0200
From: Johan Malmberg <johan.malmberg at nextlevel dot se>
Subject: Re: Relay Problem
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Hi!
your configuration looks right!
Sending a mail to a local domain "ourdomain.com" does not require a
"relay" since it's on the same server! If you want to prevent mails to
your local domain, you won't be able to receive any mails since no
server is allowed to send mail to your server... :)
/Johan Malmberg
John Kirchner wrote:
>
> Hello All,
>
> I have configured my server to only allow relaying from a certain range of
> IP addresses:
>
> IP Subnet
> 10.0.0.0 255.255.255.0
>
> I also stopped & restarted the SMTP service.
>
> I attached to an external server to test the relay restrictions. If I
> configure my tester to use a non-local domain user (ex:
> spammer at spamworld dot com) the server rejects the mail. However
> if I use a local domain user (ex: spammer at ourdomain dot com) the server lets
> the message go through!
>
> What am I missing, somebody please fill me in. Our server just got listed
> on an abuse database because of our 'open relay' status.
>
> Thanks
> John
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From: "John Kirchner" <jkirch at jumpsource dot com>
Subject: RE: Relay Problem
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 12:05:43 -0400
Hi Ben,
Our internal IP range is 10.0.0.1 -> 10.0.0.254 (non routable).
I am no expert on IP's and subnets but I do believe that the settings I
entered restrict
access to that block. Am I wrong about this ?
If I remove the restriction I can relay as anyuser at anydomain dot com, If I add
the range I can only relay as fakeuser at ourdomain dot com.
-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Saren [mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 12:04 PM
To: John Kirchner; Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: Relay Problem
I like what you've done, but at the same time, whats the point of specifying
that range? Isnt that range basically the same thing as if you put nothing
in there?
Id like to know how to make a public email server NOT suseptible to being
put on ORBS etc.
-----Original Message-----
From: John Kirchner [mailto:jkirch at jumpsource dot com]
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 11:55 AM
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: Relay Problem
Hello All,
I have configured my server to only allow relaying from a certain range of
IP addresses:
IP Subnet
10.0.0.0 255.255.255.0
I also stopped & restarted the SMTP service.
I attached to an external server to test the relay restrictions. If I
configure my tester to use a non-local domain user (ex:
spammer at spamworld dot com) the server rejects the mail. However
if I use a local domain user (ex: spammer at ourdomain dot com) the server lets
the message go through!
What am I missing, somebody please fill me in. Our server just got listed
on an abuse database because of our 'open relay' status.
Thanks
John
From: "John Kirchner" <jkirch at jumpsource dot com>
Subject: RE: Relay Problem
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 12:09:08 -0400
Hello,
I am not trying to prevent mail sent to a local domain, I am trying to
prevent someone sending mail
as if it originated from our domain (spamming).
With the SMTP relay restrictions in place I can still relay messages to an
outside domain, provided I
say my name is mrspammer at ourdomain dot com
-----Original Message-----
From: Johan Malmberg [mailto:johan.malmberg at nextlevel dot se]
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 12:04 PM
To: John Kirchner
Cc: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: Re: Relay Problem
Hi!
your configuration looks right!
Sending a mail to a local domain "ourdomain.com" does not require a
"relay" since it's on the same server! If you want to prevent mails to
your local domain, you won't be able to receive any mails since no
server is allowed to send mail to your server... :)
/Johan Malmberg
John Kirchner wrote:
>
> Hello All,
>
> I have configured my server to only allow relaying from a certain range of
> IP addresses:
>
> IP Subnet
> 10.0.0.0 255.255.255.0
>
> I also stopped & restarted the SMTP service.
>
> I attached to an external server to test the relay restrictions. If I
> configure my tester to use a non-local domain user (ex:
> spammer at spamworld dot com) the server rejects the mail. However
> if I use a local domain user (ex: spammer at ourdomain dot com) the server lets
> the message go through!
>
> What am I missing, somebody please fill me in. Our server just got listed
> on an abuse database because of our 'open relay' status.
>
> Thanks
> John
From: "Michael Smallwood" <msmallwood at mindseye dot com>
Subject: Services Stopping
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 12:20:06 -0400
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I have been running Worldmail server for years without any real problems to
speak of. But, starting about 2 weeks ago, I have had problems keeping the
"Eudora Worldmail" service running. It seems to just stop every other hour
or so, with no real pattern.
I have gone through all the logs and events at the time the service stops,
and I see absolutely nothing out of the ordinary. My queue is very small.
The only other software running on this high end Dell server is PCAnywhere,
SMS, and Norton Corp. AntiVirus.
Although my initial thoughts were rooted with the mail server itself causing
an internal shutdown of the service, I now am leaning towards some external
program causing the conflict (because I see nothing unusual with the mail
server). The problem is I have no idea what this external source could be!
Any comments would be greatly appreciated!
...mike
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<DIV><SPAN class=634190516-14062001><FONT face=Arial size=2>I have
been running
Worldmail server for years without any real problems to speak of. But,
starting
about 2 weeks ago, I have had problems keeping the "Eudora Worldmail"
service
running. It seems to just stop every other hour or so, with no real
pattern. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=634190516-14062001></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=634190516-14062001><FONT face=Arial size=2>I have
gone through
all the logs and events at the time the service stops, and I see
absolutely
nothing out of the ordinary. My queue is very small. The only other
software running on this high end Dell server is PCAnywhere, SMS, and
Norton
Corp. AntiVirus. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=634190516-14062001></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=634190516-14062001><FONT face=Arial
size=2>Although my initial
thoughts were rooted with the mail server itself causing an
internal
shutdown of the service, I now am leaning towards some external program
causing the conflict (because I see nothing unusual with the mail
server).
The problem is I have no idea what this external source could
be!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=634190516-14062001></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=634190516-14062001><FONT face=Arial size=2>Any
comments would
be greatly appreciated!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 18:19:53 +0200
From: Johan Malmberg <johan.malmberg at nextlevel dot se>
Subject: Re: Relay Problem
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Hm!
The "from" address has absolutely nothing to do with relay
restrictions! It all depends on what IP# the message is originating
from.
/Johan
John Kirchner wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I am not trying to prevent mail sent to a local domain, I am trying to
> prevent someone sending mail
> as if it originated from our domain (spamming).
>
> With the SMTP relay restrictions in place I can still relay messages to an
> outside domain, provided I
> say my name is mrspammer at ourdomain dot com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Johan Malmberg [mailto:johan.malmberg at nextlevel dot se]
> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 12:04 PM
> To: John Kirchner
> Cc: Subscribers of WorldMail
> Subject: Re: Relay Problem
>
> Hi!
>
> your configuration looks right!
>
> Sending a mail to a local domain "ourdomain.com" does not require a
> "relay" since it's on the same server! If you want to prevent mails to
> your local domain, you won't be able to receive any mails since no
> server is allowed to send mail to your server... :)
>
> /Johan Malmberg
>
> John Kirchner wrote:
> >
> > Hello All,
> >
> > I have configured my server to only allow relaying from a certain range of
> > IP addresses:
> >
> > IP Subnet
> > 10.0.0.0 255.255.255.0
> >
> > I also stopped & restarted the SMTP service.
> >
> > I attached to an external server to test the relay restrictions. If I
> > configure my tester to use a non-local domain user (ex:
> > spammer at spamworld dot com) the server rejects the mail. However
> > if I use a local domain user (ex: spammer at ourdomain dot com) the server lets
> > the message go through!
> >
> > What am I missing, somebody please fill me in. Our server just got listed
> > on an abuse database because of our 'open relay' status.
> >
> > Thanks
> > John
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