Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 17:46:46 -0700
From: Mark Hartman <mh-list at harthaven dot com>
Subject: Re: AutoShare and SIMS

At 2:10 PM -0700 4/9/1999, Matthew Hill wrote:
>First can SIMS and AutoShare run on separate computers.

AFAIK, no.  That's because AutoShare depends upon being able to "hijack"
the folders into which SIMS normally stores mail so that it can be
processed, and being able to place outgoing mail into the folders that
SIMS recognizes as outgoing mail.

>And second is there an easy way to sprat them if they are already on one
>computer?

Moot.



Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 02:49:16 +0200
From: Peter Sahlin <Peter.Sahlin at inl.lth dot se>
Subject: Re: sub autoshare-talk Peter.Sahlin

Hi
I'm having problem with replies sent to Autoshare lists from MS Outlook
on Windows95. The mail comes as a multipart message and is not readable
when it arrives to the subscribers. The whole mail is there, you can see
it using properties in Outlook express and as a text-file in Outlook.
But the message window in Outlook Express (win95), Pegasus (win95) and
Netscape (Mac) is empty. All parts exept the last one (second last if
there is a footer to the list) are qouted printable exept one part that sais:

Content-Type: application/ms-tnef
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64

followed by many lines of data.

The problem is only with replies, a direkt submit is OK, and
also if the adress is deleted and retyped, the mailing works!

Anybody that has experienced this? Have I done anything wrong?

I use Outlook Express myself without any problems.
-- 
Peter Sahlin, MSc, Applied Nutrition
Lund Institute of Technology, Lund University
PO Box 124
S-221 00  LUND, Sweden
Mailto:Peter.Sahlin at inl.lth dot se
tel +46-46-2224148, fax +46-46-2224532
WWW http://www.inl.lth.se/Personal/Peter/

Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 16:18:02 -0500
From: Daren Johnson <daren at cla.umn dot edu>
Subject: Switchover from Macjordomo to Autoshare: advice?

I'm hoping to move a department here at the University of Minnesota from
running several email lists through Macjordomo and SIMS to a new server
running AppleShare v6.1, the Apple email server and AutoShare.

Are there things that I ought to know about trying to make such a
transition that would be very hard to accomplish, or very easy for me over
which to trip in dismay? I look forward to the wisdom of the list.

Sincerely,

Daren Johnson - "Happy owner of a niche-market computer..."
User Services Specialist
Univ. of Minn-CLA Network Administrator
PH:(612)624-8203    FAX:(612)625-3549



Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 14:28:52 -0700
From: Mark Hartman <mh-list at harthaven dot com>
Subject: Re: Switchover from Macjordomo to Autoshare: advice?

At 2:18 PM -0700 4/12/1999, Daren Johnson wrote:
>I'm hoping to move a department here at the University of Minnesota from
>running several email lists through Macjordomo and SIMS to a new server
>running AppleShare v6.1, the Apple email server and AutoShare.

AFAIK, AutoShare doesn't operate with the ASIP mail server, but only with
either SIMS or EIMS.  However, ASIP and SIMS coexist very nicely; switching
from Macjordomo to AutoShare should be no problem.



Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 14:45:14 -0700
From: Camelot Administrator <camelot.admin at lmco dot com>
Subject: RE: AutoShare 3.1.1b2

At 11:47 AM -0500 on 4/9/99, Chuck Boody wrote:


>          Reply to:   RE: AutoShare 3.1.1b2
> Now also available by mail.
>

Also available from http://pascal-central.com/autoshare/beta.
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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 23:53:49 +0100
From: James Berriman <james at acoustic.demon.co dot uk>
Subject: AutoShare 3.1.1b2

...is now also available at:

<http://www.dcl.co.uk/MacOS/email/autoshare/AutoShare3.1.1b2.sit.bin>

( :-])  James



Subject: Starting over?
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 09:05:50 -0400
From: Charles L. Martin <clmartin at theombudsman dot com>

I thought I asked this before, but can find neither my question nor an 
answer. Since I cannot get logs to work, I thought I would just start 
over with a new preference file. Exactly which file(s) must be deleted to 
"start over?"

Charles L. Martin
clmartin at theOmbudsman dot com
http://www.theOmbudsman.com/Martin_Law/

Alice: ³The King seems so prejudiced.²
King: ³Thank you Alice. That¹s what makes me so eminently qualified to =
be 
Judge.²
Alice in Wonderland, Lewis Carroll


Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 12:56:44 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Starting over?

At 09:05 -0400 4/14/99, Charles L. Martin wrote:

>I thought I asked this before, but can find neither my question nor an
>answer. Since I cannot get logs to work, I thought I would just start
>over with a new preference file. Exactly which file(s) must be deleted to
>"start over?"

Starting over in a relatively narrow meaning would be to start with 
no preferences file and let AutoShare create one once she starts up. 
A less narrow approach would be to start with a fresh preferences 
folder. Even if this makes your problem go away, it unfortunately 
would not explain why it happened to you in the first place.


Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 08:59:29 -0400
From: Jerry Thompson <mlists at ppdirect dot com>
Subject: Window Sizing/Feature Request

Greetings,

Many thanks to Mikael and James for helping me a few weeks ago.

Anyway to change the size of the window or even reduce the amount of
information contained in each one.  Now that my lists are back in order,
the screen is becoming clutter with windows.

Basically, all I really need to know is:

Message File Name
TO (either List name or Autoshare)
Sender Name / Email Addr (w/ an option of either Name and Email or just Email)
and
Action


Something similar to:

----------------------------------
Filename: b3310bc5
TO: Autoshare
RFC From: <jthompson at ppdirect dot com>
Action: Subscribe <listname>
----------------------------------


If not... then perhaps being able to resize the window would be good.  Even
if the info doesn't fit, I would be able to stretch it open if I need to
see the details.

Just a thought.


Best Regards,
Jerry Thompson
Webmaster/MIS Director
PP List Management, Inc.

http://www.ppdirect.com

Subject: Re: AutoShare-Talk digest 14 Apr 1999
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 17:57:57 -0400
From: Charles L. Martin <clmartin at theombudsman dot com>

Unfortunately, trashing the preferences file did not help. I guess I have 
to try the entire folder.

On 4/14/99 5:01 PM, AutoShare-Talk list said:

>>I thought I asked this before, but can find neither my question nor an
>>answer. Since I cannot get logs to work, I thought I would just start
>>over with a new preference file. Exactly which file(s) must be deleted to
>>"start over?"
>
>Starting over in a relatively narrow meaning would be to start with 
>no preferences file and let AutoShare create one once she starts up. 
>A less narrow approach would be to start with a fresh preferences 
>folder. Even if this makes your problem go away, it unfortunately 
>would not explain why it happened to you in the first place.


Charles L. Martin
clmartin at theOmbudsman dot com
http://www.theOmbudsman.com/Martin_Law/

Alice: ³The King seems so prejudiced.²
King: ³Thank you Alice. That¹s what makes me so eminently qualified to =
be 
Judge.²
Alice in Wonderland, Lewis Carroll


Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 12:50:49 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Window Sizing/Feature Request

At 08:59 -0400 4/14/99, Jerry Thompson wrote:

>Many thanks to Mikael and James for helping me a few weeks ago.

Thanks :-)

>Anyway to change the size of the window or even reduce the amount of
>information contained in each one.

You wouldn't know it unless you had tried dragging the lower right 
corner of the window, but the status window is actually resizeable. 
It's just that it is not scrollable, because no scrollbars including 
resizebox have been added.

>Now that my lists are back in order,
>the screen is becoming clutter with windows.

You are most likely referring to multiple status windows as a result 
of using multiple preference sets. I probably wouldn't call it 
clutter simply because some windows are partly hidden at times, but I 
do see your point in having all status windows fully visible at the 
same time.


Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 20:48:24 +0200
From: Giedo De Snijder <igiedsn at giedsn.eunet dot be>
Subject: Resistant error when adding a domain to the host list.

Hi,
Yesterday I installed MacOS 8.5.1 (US) on my remote server.
So now there only exists 1 scripting additions folder in the System Folder.
There is no longer a second one in the extensions folder.
The scripting additions only contains the items installed by the MacOs 8.5
installation.
Nevertheless I get the same <<PUSH>> error like before when I try to add a
new domain to the "host" list.
Trying to find an answer myself :

In the multiple preferences I have 3 items : All- Default -@abitmore
The default stands for the domain "beaware.be".
This domain name is the only item in the "host" window.
When I try to add the domain "abitmore.be" I get the error.
Following the docs one has to create a subfolder in the Preferences Folder
starting with "@" to run a second AutoShare.
So I named it "@abitmore" for the docs don't specify what the name has to
be after the starting "@".
Did I make a mistake ? can I use "@abitmore" or is it "@abitmore.be" ?
And in case it is the last name, can it be that a wrong name is the cause
of the error in the "host" list.
I am only thinking loudly for a conflict with scripting additions as
possible cause of the error doesn't seem likely anymore.
In any case the AutoShare at abitmore dot be and the AutoShare at beaware dot be are
running like they should.
No problems at all.
It seems the "host" list don't bother to have only one domain listed.
What is the function of this host list for AutoShare's well-being ?
Thank you for your time and patience.
_giedo



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Giedo De Snijder                 giedo at beaware dot be
				 igiedsn at giedsn.eunet dot be

be.aware : to be digital or not, that'll become the problem
=============================================================

Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 07:54:35 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Resistant error when adding a domain to the host list.

At 20:48 +0200 4/15/99, Giedo De Snijder wrote:

>The scripting additions only contains the items installed by the MacOs 8.5
>installation.
>Nevertheless I get the same <<PUSH>> error like before when I try to add a
>new domain to the "host" list.

>Trying to find an answer myself :
>
>In the multiple preferences I have 3 items : All- Default -@abitmore
>The default stands for the domain "beaware.be".

Some confusion here stems from mixing worlds. AutoShare operates in 
basically three layers:

   1. server-wide
     2. preference set
       3. list-specific

Admins who don't use multiple preference sets are often happily 
unaware of the first layer. It's there, but no attention needs to be 
paid to it. It's like people who always eat oatmeal and who 
eventually may forget that oatmeal is a cereal as to them oatmeal 
equals cereal.

AutoShare eats as many kinds of cereal as the Admin has specified 
preference sets. And just as some people may have oatmeal one 
morning, corn flakes the next morning, yogurt the follow morning and 
then start over with oatmeal the morning after that, AutoShare 
defaults to rotating preference sets with every high-level event 
being processed.

So when you have a multiple preference set environment and want to 
configure a given preference set, at that time make sure to first 
configure AutoShare to be running in that one given preference set 
only, and once you're done configuring, return processing to all 
preference sets by specifying all.

The host configuration is a feature specific to a preference set and 
as such is not server-wide. The @ sign belongs in the secondary 
preference _folder_ names only. It should _not_ be specified in host 
entries, as it resides within a preference set.

The push error may happen due to confusion about some of the above.

>What is the function of this host list for AutoShare's well-being ?

In a multiple preference set environment, no more than taking into 
account recipient variations of the same domain name, e.g. 
user at a.b dot com and user at b dot com. It is likely that you may not have to 
use the hosts feature at all.


Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 11:58:44 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Resistant error when adding a domain to the host list.

At 07:54 -0700 4/16/99, Mikael Hansen wrote:

>AutoShare defaults to rotating preference sets with every high-level 
>event being processed.

It should read: AutoShare defaults to rotating preference sets with 
every time she _checks_ for high-level events. Those two tasks take 
place at the beginning of the AutoShare server's main processing loop.


Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 08:03:33 -0700
From: Camelot Administrator <camelot.admin at lmco dot com>
Subject: Fwd: Processing Alert

Is this an EIMS generated condition, or an Autoshare generated condition?
I ask because disk space was never low (there was over 450Meg on the disk).
A reboot seemed to have corrected the problem, but now I'm trying to figure
out what caused it?  The symptoms were that nothing was being processed.

Any help is appreciated.  Thanks.

Bill

<< start of forwarded material >>


Mime-Version: 1.0
To: admin at camelot.lmms.lmco dot com (O/5E-35 Distribution)
Precedence: bulk
From: postmaster at camelot.lmms.lmco dot com (Camelot Postmaster)
Subject: Processing Alert
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 08:12:22 -0700

Disk space is okay. AutoShare has re-entered normal processing mode

<< end of forwarded material >>

Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 12:39:27 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Fwd: Processing Alert

At 08:03 -0700 4/19/99, Camelot Administrator wrote:

>Is this an EIMS generated condition, or an Autoshare generated condition?
>I ask because disk space was never low (there was over 450Meg on the disk).
>A reboot seemed to have corrected the problem, but now I'm trying to figure
>out what caused it?  The symptoms were that nothing was being processed.

>Disk space is okay. AutoShare has re-entered normal processing mode

The message is somewhat inaccurate in as much as it implies that the 
source of the problem was being low on disk space. You probably just 
disabled the processing mode from the menu and didn't re-enable it 
yourself.


Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 15:49:21 -0700
From: Camelot Administrator <camelot.admin at lmco dot com>
Subject: Re: Fwd: Processing Alert

At 12:39 PM -0700 on 4/19/99, Mikael Hansen wrote:


> At 08:03 -0700 4/19/99, Camelot Administrator wrote:
>
> >Is this an EIMS generated condition, or an Autoshare generated condition?
> >I ask because disk space was never low (there was over 450Meg on the disk).
> >A reboot seemed to have corrected the problem, but now I'm trying to figure
> >out what caused it?  The symptoms were that nothing was being processed.
>
> >Disk space is okay. AutoShare has re-entered normal processing mode
>
> The message is somewhat inaccurate in as much as it implies that the
> source of the problem was being low on disk space. You probably just
> disabled the processing mode from the menu and didn't re-enable it
> yourself.
>

How probable would it be to disable this by accident?  I ask this because I
have not done any disabling; in fact, if someone had asked me to disable
the process mode, I would reply, "You can do that?"  So if this is
something that can be triggered by accident, then maybe that's what
happened (from what menu?).  If it seems less likely that it could be by
accident, then something else triggered it.
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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 14:00:43 +0200
From: Detlef Beyer <d.beyer at crash dot de>
Subject: Rebound support?!

Howdy,

I'm using the great little rebound module (http://www.sophisticated.com/prod=
ucts/rebound/rebound.html) on my G3 server - this device monitors the Mac=
 for a system crash and restarts the machine if needed. Rebound also support=
 the monitoring of applications - this can be done via AppleScript or if the=
 application supports rebound via a module build with a special Rebound SDK.=
 I really would like to this this feature in AutoShare - any chance?!

Detlef

Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 07:39:32 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Rebound support?!

At 14:00 +0200 4/21/99, Detlef Beyer wrote:

>I'm using the great little rebound module 
>(http://www.sophisticated.com/products/rebound/rebound.html) on my 
>G3 server - this device monitors the Mac for a system crash and 
>restarts the machine if needed. Rebound also support the monitoring 
>of applications - this can be done via AppleScript or if the 
>application supports rebound via a module build with a special 
>Rebound SDK. I really would like to this this feature in AutoShare - 
>any chance?!

Sending a simple AppleEvent every so often to Rebound? Sure :-)


Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 20:04:14 +0200
From: Jochen Haeberle <listen at MIDRAS dot de>
Subject: Re: Rebound support?!

Hi,

At 14:00 Uhr +0200 21.04.1999, Detlef Beyer wrote:
>Howdy,
>
>I'm using the great little rebound module 
>(http://www.sophisticated.com/products/rebound/rebound.html) on my 
>G3 server - this device

...

>module build with a special Rebound SDK. I really would like to this 
>this feature in AutoShare - any chance?!

I would second that wish! It would be a great help for a stable service.

Jochen


Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 19:49:11 -0700
From: Matthew Hill <happytwo at milepost1 dot com>
Subject: question on mailbacks

Is it possible to have specific mailbacks for individual lists?  I have
a folder called mailback with one default file and one file named for
the name of the list.  However the default is always returned for the mailback.

HELP!

Thanks,

Matthew

Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 20:24:00 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: AutoShare 3.1.1b3

The highly optional and pure fun 3.1.1b3 has been uploaded to
   <ftp://ftp.dnai.com/users/m/meh/AutoShare/Beta/>

I have cleaned up the AppleScript dictionary and divided the 
AutoShare Suite into Main Suite, Handy Suite and Utility Suite.

The Keys Down AppleScript command makes your script able to detect if 
a "combo" key such as the option key is pressed. The powerful Type 
Keys command simulates key strokes and is aimed at applications which 
are not as scriptable as you would like them to be.

The Sort List and Search List commands for AppleScript lists have 
been added, mostly because I like to conduct silly speed tests once 
in a while.

AutoShare now supports the Rebound software by every so often (120 
seconds) sending a timer value (600 seconds; zero when AutoShare 
quits) to the PowerKey Extension or if not present then the Rebound! 
Extension.


Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 12:49:08 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: question on mailbacks

At 19:49 -0700 4/26/99, Matthew Hill wrote:

>Is it possible to have specific mailbacks for individual lists?  I have
>a folder called mailback with one default file and one file named for
>the name of the list.  However the default is always returned for 
>the mailback.

I trust you're talking about list server command messages only. It's 
likely that I may not have completed the support for list-specific 
documents here. I'll look into it.


Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 01:01:38 +0100
From: James Berriman <james at acoustic.demon.co dot uk>
Subject: Re: AutoShare 3.1.1b3

At 04:24 +0100 27/4/1999, Mikael Hansen wrote:
>The highly optional and pure fun 3.1.1b3 has been uploaded to
>   <ftp://ftp.dnai.com/users/m/meh/AutoShare/Beta/>

also available at:

<http://www.dcl.co.uk/MacOS/email/autoshare/AutoShare3.1.1b3.sit.bin>

( :-])  James



Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 19:08:44 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: question on mailbacks

At 12:49 -0700 4/27/99, Mikael Hansen wrote:

>At 19:49 -0700 4/26/99, Matthew Hill wrote:
>
>>Is it possible to have specific mailbacks for individual lists?  I have
>>a folder called mailback with one default file and one file named for
>>the name of the list.  However the default is always returned for 
>>the mailback.
>
>I trust you're talking about list server command messages only. It's 
>likely that I may not have completed the support for list-specific 
>documents here. I'll look into it.

I ran some tests, and it looks fine to me. If you can't make it work, 
I need to see a specific message in full.


Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 21:00:06 -0700
From: Matthew Hill <happytwo at milepost1 dot com>
Subject: Re: question on mailbacks

Hi 
What kind of message do you need to see?  When a subscription request is
sent to the list server (list has "S" in mail-back) The file called
Default is sent.  The folder is MailBack with 2 files inside one is
Default the other is "officers" the name of the list.
The command is in the body to the list server, 
sub officers <email address> 
So if you could let me know what message you need to see i will send it.
I am sure it is something i am doing.
Thanks
Matthew

Mikael Hansen wrote:
> 
> At 12:49 -0700 4/27/99, Mikael Hansen wrote:
> 
> >At 19:49 -0700 4/26/99, Matthew Hill wrote:
> >
> >>Is it possible to have specific mailbacks for individual lists?  I have
> >>a folder called mailback with one default file and one file named for
> >>the name of the list.  However the default is always returned for
> >>the mailback.
> >
> >I trust you're talking about list server command messages only. It's
> >likely that I may not have completed the support for list-specific
> >documents here. I'll look into it.
> 
> I ran some tests, and it looks fine to me. If you can't make it work,
> I need to see a specific message in full.
> 
> **  The AutoShare-Talk archives are at:
> **  <http://frutiger.staffs.ac.uk/autoshare/archives/>

--

Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 07:16:05 -0700
From: Matthew Hill <happytwo at milepost1 dot com>
Subject: Re: question on mailbacks

Hi
When I send a subscription to the list server I get back the default. 
When i send a subscription to the officers-on account the i receive the
correct mail back.
Matthew

Mikael Hansen wrote:
> 
> At 12:49 -0700 4/27/99, Mikael Hansen wrote:
> 
> >At 19:49 -0700 4/26/99, Matthew Hill wrote:
> >
> >>Is it possible to have specific mailbacks for individual lists?  I have
> >>a folder called mailback with one default file and one file named for
> >>the name of the list.  However the default is always returned for
> >>the mailback.
> >
> >I trust you're talking about list server command messages only. It's
> >likely that I may not have completed the support for list-specific
> >documents here. I'll look into it.
> 
> I ran some tests, and it looks fine to me. If you can't make it work,
> I need to see a specific message in full.
> 
> **  The AutoShare-Talk archives are at:
> **  <http://frutiger.staffs.ac.uk/autoshare/archives/>

--

Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 07:52:01 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: question on mailbacks

At 21:00 -0700 4/27/99, Matthew Hill wrote:

>What kind of message do you need to see?  When a subscription request is
>sent to the list server (list has "S" in mail-back) The file called
>Default is sent.  The folder is MailBack with 2 files inside one is
>Default the other is "officers" the name of the list.
>The command is in the body to the list server,
>sub officers <email address>
>So if you could let me know what message you need to see i will send it.
>I am sure it is something i am doing.

Your AutoShare configuration is fine, it would seem. As far as the 
message is concerned, I am looking for trailing lines in the body 
which are not directed at the list name.

If the body contains only
   sub officers <email address>
the document specific to officers is returned.

If the body contains
   sub officers <email address>
   review fun-l
or
   sub officers <email address>
   list
the commands are not all exclusively targeted at the officers list, 
so the default document is returned.

If the body contains
   sub officers <email address>
   review officers
the document specific to officers is returned. There's some 
unintended behaviour here though because the default document is 
returned unless the review command is mail-back enabled as well.

If the body contains
   sub officers <email address>

   garbage .sig
the document specific to officers should be returned, but is not, due 
to another case of unintended behaviour.

Let me know if these findings are any different from yours.


Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 12:35:22 -0700
From: Camelot Administrator <camelot.admin at lmco dot com>
Subject: Re: AutoShare 3.1.1b3

At 8:24 PM -0700 on 4/26/99, Mikael Hansen wrote:


> The highly optional and pure fun 3.1.1b3 has been uploaded to
>    <ftp://ftp.dnai.com/users/m/meh/AutoShare/Beta/>
>

Also mirrored at http://pascal-central.com/autoshare/beta/
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Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 18:42:42 +0200
From: Giedo De Snijder <igiedsn at giedsn.eunet dot be>
Subject: The Monthly help file

If the following is right :
To send a "Monthly help" file to list subscribers automatically, you place :
method 1
	a Month.<list> file in Auto/docs/autoshare/ for each list (even
aliases of Month.fun-L)
method 2
	a folder "Month" in auto/docs/autoshare/ with for each list a file
with the name "<list>" in it.
The monthly help file is sent every first day of a new month.

what can be the reason(s), the monthly help files aren't sent in my case ?
I am using AutoShare3.1.1b2.
Thank you.
_giedo



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Giedo De Snijder                 giedo at beaware dot be
				 igiedsn at giedsn.eunet dot be

be.aware : to be digital or not, that'll become the problem
=============================================================

Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 19:19:45 +0200
From: Giedo De Snijder <igiedsn at giedsn.eunet dot be>
Subject: remote administration by e-mail

I have tested the "Month" command by remote administration by e-mail:
message to <autoshare@mydomain>
body line : myremote_password_for_list Month my_emailaddress <list>

I get two mail messages back
1)one with the subject "remote Month" and in the body the above line but
with the word password instead of the real one
2)one with the subject "<list> Monthly Help File" and in the body the
content of my Month.<list> file.
This is like it should be.
The sender of both messages is "bounce@mydomain" and not "autoshare@mydomain".
Is this the normal way ?
And in case of automatically served Month files ? is autoshare@mydomain the
sender or not ?
_giedo



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Giedo De Snijder                 giedo at beaware dot be
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Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 02:07:25 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: remote administration by e-mail

At 19:19 +0200 5/2/99, Giedo De Snijder wrote:

>I have tested the "Month" command by remote administration by e-mail:

:-)

>The sender of both messages is "bounce@mydomain" and not "autoshare@mydomain".
>Is this the normal way ?
>And in case of automatically served Month files ? is autoshare@mydomain the
>sender or not ?

Yes, autoshare@ represents the address for list server commands, but 
there is no address representing the list server as such, so the 
bounce address is used.


Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 02:14:38 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Apple Confidential

=46un stuff: I have read Apple Confidential this weekend and did not 
turn on my computer while reading it as the book was hard to put down 
:-)

Apple Confidential. The Real Story of Apple Computer, Inc.
  Owen W. Linzmayer. 1999. 244 pages.
<http://pw1.netcom.com/~owenink/confidential.html>
<http://www.macspeedzone.com/articles/appleconfidentialframe.html>

Linzmayer's book is enjoyable, entertaining and easily read. Is 
packed with photos, charts, time lines and sidebar quotes. Nice 
mentions of Wayne and Raskin. The chapters are lined up by topics 
rather than chronologically. Not much on the PowerPC deal. There is 
unfortunately no chapter on Macintosh networking, I couldn't find any 
mention of Open Transport, and the author has little to say about the 
Internet.

Apple: The Inside Story of Intrique, Egomania and Business Blunders
  Jim Carlton. 1997. 463 pages.
<http://www.insanely-great.com/booksrev.html#Carlton>
<http://www.j-2.com/bnf/0812928512.htm>

Not as easily read, but fascinating with juicy details. Lots on 
Gassée and Spindler. The book is often (too) harsh, and the author 
later publicly admitted his surprise over how well and quickly Apple 
rebounded.

Insanely Great. The Life and Times of Macintosh, the Computer That 
Changed Everything.
  Steven Levy. 1994. 312 pages.
<http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN%3D0140232370/insanelygreatintA 
/002-4437480-1633036>

Odyssey: Pepsi to Apple - A Journey of Adventure, Ideas, and the Future
  John Sculley. 1987. 450 pages
<http://web.syr.edu/~awmolloy/applebks/bios.htm>

Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 02:02:21 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: The Monthly help file

At 18:42 +0200 5/2/99, Giedo De Snijder wrote:

>what can be the reason(s), the monthly help files aren't sent in my case ?

Most likely that AutoShare wasn't running at midnite. You can make up 
for it by using the Month command in remote administration by e-mail.


Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 21:54:30 +0200
From: Giedo De Snijder <igiedsn at giedsn.eunet dot be>
Subject: about aliases with MacOS 8.5

I am using MacOS 8.5.1 (US)

I have heard and experienced myself some Finder problems. Mac Os 8.5
Finder has problems with dates, aliases and some other stuff. I have heard
there has been lots of
discussion on the MacScript mailing lists about these problems.

Regarding my previous "Month Help" file problem, I have to say the following.
In Docs/AutoShare/ I made an alias of "Month.Fun-L" and renamed the alias
to an existing list "Month.<list>"
I didn't get a Month Help file, like I have said.
So I deleted the alias "Month.<list>" and made a copy of "Month.Fun-L" and
renamed that copy to "Month.<list>".
By using the remote administration by e- mail on "Month" I got the Help file.
I am wondering I would get it if I hadn't changed the alias to a copy.
I will try it out myself but I am wondering if someone else has already
experienced problems with aliases under MacOS 8.5.
Thank yoy for your time and attention.

Giedo De Snijder

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Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 22:20:55 +0200
From: Giedo De Snijder <igiedsn at giedsn.eunet dot be>
Subject: Well, I have tried it out (aliases)

About the aliases.

I have deleted my copy of "Month.<list2"> and made an alias of the real
file "Month.<list1>" and renamed it to "Month.<list2>".
I have sent a message to AutoShare with the remote command "Month" as before.
I have got again two messages files.
The "<list2> Monthly Help File" contains the right email headers but the
body of the message is the one of <list1> !!!!!!!!

BTW
 Mikael comment on my original question "Why  didn't I get automatically a
Monthly Help File" :
Most likely that AutoShare wasn't running at midnite.
Well, AutoShare was running at midnite.
That couldn't be the problem.
My opinion now after the above mentionned problem is that because I made
aliases of "Month.Fun-L" (which is an unconfigured list), the Monthly Help
Files for <list1> and <list2> couldn't be sent.
What do you think? It 's weird, isn't it ?


Giedo De Snijder

<mailto: gds at abitmore dot be>


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Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 20:48:58 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Well, I have tried it out (aliases)

At 22:20 +0200 5/3/99, Giedo De Snijder wrote:

>The "<list2> Monthly Help File" contains the right email headers but the
>body of the message is the one of <list1> !!!!!!!!

That is intended, so that these documents can be shared.

>My opinion now after the above mentionned problem is that because I made
>aliases of "Month.Fun-L" (which is an unconfigured list), the Monthly Help
>Files for <list1> and <list2> couldn't be sent.

That would make sense, I think.


Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 14:21:32 -0500
From: Randy Phillips <phillips at finan dot com>
Subject: The Unsub Command Not Working

Hi,

I recently set up an announcement list. Everything seems to be working
fine but I can't get the Unsub command to work. I keep getting an
invalid command returned. I put SU in the mailback prefs.

Any ideas?

Autoshare
SIMS

Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 13:13:35 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: The Unsub Command Not Working

At 14:21 -0500 5/4/99, Randy Phillips wrote:

>I recently set up an announcement list. Everything seems to be working
>fine but I can't get the Unsub command to work. I keep getting an
>invalid command returned. I put SU in the mailback prefs.

I need to see a complete returned message with /=original expanded.


Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 11:04:16 -0500
From: Randy Phillips <phillips at finan dot com>
Subject: Re: The Unsub Command Not Working

> Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 13:13:35 -0700
> From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
> Reply-To: AutoShare-Talk at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk (Subscribers of AutoShare-Talk)
> Subject: Re: The Unsub Command Not Working
> 
> At 14:21 -0500 5/4/99, Randy Phillips wrote:
> 
> >I recently set up an announcement list. Everything seems to be working
> >fine but I can't get the Unsub command to work. I keep getting an
> >invalid command returned. I put SU in the mailback prefs.
> 
> I need to see a complete returned message with /=original expanded.
> 

Problem solved. There were several issues, the first being I am trying
to debug a system a former employee set up (rather half-assed I might
add). In the autoshare docs all the unSub.listname files had the /=sub
token for subscription detail instead of the /=unsub token. I'm not sure
why that would matter but when I made the change the account I set up
started to work properly.

The other accounts had footers instructing people how to unsubscribe but
SU was not defined in the mail-back prefs.

Thanks for the quick response, though. Being new to List Servers in
general and Autoshare in particular, I'm sure I will have many more
questions as time goes on.
-- 
Randy Phillips, Web Manager/Developer
Finan Publishing
8730 Big Bend Blvd.
St. Louis, Mo. 63119
314-961-6644

Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 12:42:26 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: The Unsub Command Not Working

At 11:04 -0500 5/5/99, Randy Phillips wrote:

>Problem solved.

Good to hear.

>In the autoshare docs all the unSub.listname files had the /=sub
>token for subscription detail instead of the /=unsub token.

Beware though that the <command>.<list> scheme may suddenly disappear 
one day. I recommend creating an Unsub folder with documents inside.


Date: 05 May 99 15:19:44 -0500
From: Chuck Boody <chuck_boody at hopkins.k12.mn dot us>
Subject: Re: The Unsub Command Not Working

         Reply to:   Re: The Unsub Command Not Working
Mikael,

Could you amplify the statement below a bit?  It's been alluded to in my =
cursory readings of update info and documents, but I'm not really clear =
about it.  Does this imply that we will need to have a folder for each =
command and then appropriately named text files within those folders?  And,=
 what is "appropriately names?"  Is this all covered in the documentation (=
which I haven't been a good person about reading lately)?  I've noted that =
you have already made the change so I assume that I could update my site =
now and be prepared for the future...right?

(Am I the only one who works by "if it ain't broke don't fix it" ???  :->  =
)

Chuck Boody
Analyst/Programmer
ISD 270
=======

Mikael Hansen wrote:

>
>Beware though that the <command>.<list> scheme may suddenly disappear =
>one day. I recommend creating an Unsub folder with documents inside.
>
>



Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 11:45:56 -0700
From: Matthew Hill <happytwo at milepost1 dot com>
Subject: Permant forwarding addresses

There are subscribers to a list who have permanent forwarding addresses.
 This is a subscription list.  When the user tries to post they receive
the message that only subscribers may post.
Under the more miscellaneous I have the RFC from checked.  Is this where
the problem is?  Would just unchecking it allow these types of addresses
to work?
thanks
Matthew

Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 12:32:36 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: The Unsub Command Not Working

At 15:19 -0500 5/5/99, Chuck Boody wrote:

>(Am I the only one who works by "if it ain't broke don't fix it" ???  :->  )

It's unlikely that I'll remove the <command>.<list> scheme until the 
day it breaks due to indirect changes in the code or a day (whatever 
comes first) when I am in that corner of the code and at the same 
time may happen to be in an overly compulsive obsessive cleaning 
mood. The folder scheme, which keeps the Documents:AutoShare folder a 
good deal cleaner, is the only part of this code that is likely to be 
updated if need be. In any event, I wouldn't worry too much about it; 
I've been saying the above for maybe two years, and so far so good.


Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 12:53:21 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Permant forwarding addresses

At 11:45 -0700 5/6/99, Matthew Hill wrote:

>There are subscribers to a list who have permanent forwarding addresses.

As forwarding is likely to take place only when the subscriber is 
receiving mail and not sending it, the list server wouldn't care. The 
problem arises when the subscriber sends to the list server some 
mail, whose RFC From and/or SMTP FROM is different from the time the 
subscription took place.

You can compare message/s in the Saved Filed Mail folder (if you have 
that configured) with the entry/ies in the list file and this way 
nail down the differences.


Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 14:33:49 -0700
From: Mark Hartman <mh-list at harthaven dot com>
Subject: Mailing list archives

I think I've messed something up.

My list archives used to be relatively well-behaved, so I haven't checked
them in quite a while.  I just did, and find that instead of a single HTML
file being written to the archives, properly formatted with table-of-
contents and articles, that I get four files: a .toc file in a strange
format, a .text file with the actual articles, a .txt file with what looks
like the table of contents for the digest day, and an .html file with
the formatted table of contents - twice.

Does anyone have any suggestions as to what I'm doing wrong?  I've gone
through the documentation and the balloon help in AutoShare Admin, and
I think everything is set up correctly.



Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 01:26:02 +0100
From: James Berriman <james at acoustic.demon.co dot uk>
Subject: Re: Mailing list archives

At 22:33 +0100 6/5/1999, Mark Hartman wrote:
>I think I've messed something up.
>
>My list archives used to be relatively well-behaved, so I haven't checked
>them in quite a while.  I just did, and find that instead of a single HTML
>file being written to the archives, properly formatted with table-of-
>contents and articles, that I get four files: a .toc file in a strange
>format, a .text file with the actual articles, a .txt file with what looks
>like the table of contents for the digest day, and an .html file with
>the formatted table of contents - twice.
>
>Does anyone have any suggestions as to what I'm doing wrong?  I've gone
>through the documentation and the balloon help in AutoShare Admin, and
>I think everything is set up correctly.

You're doing nothing wrong. Relax :-)

You evidently have AutoShare configured for both text and html archives.
When an archive is requested by mail, AutoShare performs its magic and
combines the .toc or .txt file in the archive folder with the related .html
or .text file before returning the result.

This procedure only applies to the email archives. The web archives are
written as single files. Perhaps you had the two confused?

( :-])  James



Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 18:42:15 -0700
From: Mark Hartman <mh-list at harthaven dot com>
Subject: Re: Mailing list archives

At 5:26 PM -0700 5/6/1999, James Berriman wrote:
>At 22:33 +0100 6/5/1999, Mark Hartman wrote:
>>I think I've messed something up.
>>
>>My list archives used to be relatively well-behaved, so I haven't checked
>>them in quite a while.  I just did, and find that instead of a single HTML
>>file being written to the archives, properly formatted with table-of-
>>contents and articles, that I get four files: a .toc file in a strange
>>format, a .text file with the actual articles, a .txt file with what looks
>>like the table of contents for the digest day, and an .html file with
>>the formatted table of contents - twice.
>>
>>Does anyone have any suggestions as to what I'm doing wrong?  I've gone
>>through the documentation and the balloon help in AutoShare Admin, and
>>I think everything is set up correctly.
>
>You're doing nothing wrong. Relax :-)
>
>You evidently have AutoShare configured for both text and html archives.
>When an archive is requested by mail, AutoShare performs its magic and
>combines the .toc or .txt file in the archive folder with the related .html
>or .text file before returning the result.
>
>This procedure only applies to the email archives. The web archives are
>written as single files. Perhaps you had the two confused?

Well, take a look at:

<http://www.harthaven.com/list-archives/sw-routers-list/index.html>

I don't think that this is how it's supposed to look.  Look specifically
at the .html file for 3/13/99; I don't think it's supposed to display
like that, either.



Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 22:36:24 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Mailing list archives

At 18:42 -0700 5/6/99, Mark Hartman wrote:

>Well, take a look at:
>
><http://www.harthaven.com/list-archives/sw-routers-list/index.html>
>
>I don't think that this is how it's supposed to look.

It certainly isn't :-) In the Admin, compare the Archive Folder 
(Cmd-F) with the Web Path (Cmd-L, click the List button). It is my 
guess that the two folder paths are identical. They never should be.

The archive folder stores the generic archives (text and/or html 
pairs), whereas the web path points to the automated web archives. 
The latter (the target) is based on the former (the source) in the 
mechanism described by James.


Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 09:58:58 -0700
Subject: help: how to change 'post priviledges' for multiple subcribers
From: "Timo Ochmann" <timo at bigmindmedia dot com>

hi all: here is my dilemma. i would like to change a mailing list that has
been previously set up as a moderated list to a regular subscription list.
the problem is that some of the subscribers to this list have posting privs
some of them don't, which is not much of an issue since it is moderated. now
that i want to change it to a subscription list i would like all the
subscribers to have NO posting privs and only a selected few with posting
rights. my question: how do i accomplish this switch over most efficiently?
i don't want to use autoshare admin to manually select each subscriber and
change his/hers posting rights that way. the online manual doesn't give me
any suggestions on how to perform this task i.e. with an apple script. does
anybody have any ideas?

--
Timo Ochmann <mailto:timo at bigmindmedia dot com>
BigMindMedia <http://www.bigmindmedia.com/>
Information Architect / System Administrator


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