Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 17:46:46 -0700 From: Mark Hartman <mh-list at harthaven dot com> Subject: Re: AutoShare and SIMS At 2:10 PM -0700 4/9/1999, Matthew Hill wrote: >First can SIMS and AutoShare run on separate computers. AFAIK, no. That's because AutoShare depends upon being able to "hijack" the folders into which SIMS normally stores mail so that it can be processed, and being able to place outgoing mail into the folders that SIMS recognizes as outgoing mail. >And second is there an easy way to sprat them if they are already on one >computer? Moot.
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 02:49:16 +0200 From: Peter Sahlin <Peter.Sahlin at inl.lth dot se> Subject: Re: sub autoshare-talk Peter.Sahlin Hi I'm having problem with replies sent to Autoshare lists from MS Outlook on Windows95. The mail comes as a multipart message and is not readable when it arrives to the subscribers. The whole mail is there, you can see it using properties in Outlook express and as a text-file in Outlook. But the message window in Outlook Express (win95), Pegasus (win95) and Netscape (Mac) is empty. All parts exept the last one (second last if there is a footer to the list) are qouted printable exept one part that sais: Content-Type: application/ms-tnef Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 followed by many lines of data. The problem is only with replies, a direkt submit is OK, and also if the adress is deleted and retyped, the mailing works! Anybody that has experienced this? Have I done anything wrong? I use Outlook Express myself without any problems. -- Peter Sahlin, MSc, Applied Nutrition Lund Institute of Technology, Lund University PO Box 124 S-221 00 LUND, Sweden Mailto:Peter.Sahlin at inl.lth dot se tel +46-46-2224148, fax +46-46-2224532 WWW http://www.inl.lth.se/Personal/Peter/
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 16:18:02 -0500 From: Daren Johnson <daren at cla.umn dot edu> Subject: Switchover from Macjordomo to Autoshare: advice? I'm hoping to move a department here at the University of Minnesota from running several email lists through Macjordomo and SIMS to a new server running AppleShare v6.1, the Apple email server and AutoShare. Are there things that I ought to know about trying to make such a transition that would be very hard to accomplish, or very easy for me over which to trip in dismay? I look forward to the wisdom of the list. Sincerely, Daren Johnson - "Happy owner of a niche-market computer..." User Services Specialist Univ. of Minn-CLA Network Administrator PH:(612)624-8203 FAX:(612)625-3549
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 14:28:52 -0700 From: Mark Hartman <mh-list at harthaven dot com> Subject: Re: Switchover from Macjordomo to Autoshare: advice? At 2:18 PM -0700 4/12/1999, Daren Johnson wrote: >I'm hoping to move a department here at the University of Minnesota from >running several email lists through Macjordomo and SIMS to a new server >running AppleShare v6.1, the Apple email server and AutoShare. AFAIK, AutoShare doesn't operate with the ASIP mail server, but only with either SIMS or EIMS. However, ASIP and SIMS coexist very nicely; switching from Macjordomo to AutoShare should be no problem.
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 14:45:14 -0700 From: Camelot Administrator <camelot.admin at lmco dot com> Subject: RE: AutoShare 3.1.1b2 At 11:47 AM -0500 on 4/9/99, Chuck Boody wrote: > Reply to: RE: AutoShare 3.1.1b2 > Now also available by mail. > Also available from http://pascal-central.com/autoshare/beta. +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Camelot Administrator, mailto:camelot.admin at lmco dot com | | Lockheed Martin, Enterprise Information Systems, Sunnyvale, CA | +----------------------------------------------------------------+
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 23:53:49 +0100 From: James Berriman <james at acoustic.demon.co dot uk> Subject: AutoShare 3.1.1b2 ...is now also available at: <http://www.dcl.co.uk/MacOS/email/autoshare/AutoShare3.1.1b2.sit.bin> ( :-]) James
Subject: Starting over? Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 09:05:50 -0400 From: Charles L. Martin <clmartin at theombudsman dot com> I thought I asked this before, but can find neither my question nor an answer. Since I cannot get logs to work, I thought I would just start over with a new preference file. Exactly which file(s) must be deleted to "start over?" Charles L. Martin clmartin at theOmbudsman dot com http://www.theOmbudsman.com/Martin_Law/ Alice: ³The King seems so prejudiced.² King: ³Thank you Alice. That¹s what makes me so eminently qualified to = be Judge.² Alice in Wonderland, Lewis Carroll
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 12:56:44 -0700 From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com> Subject: Re: Starting over? At 09:05 -0400 4/14/99, Charles L. Martin wrote: >I thought I asked this before, but can find neither my question nor an >answer. Since I cannot get logs to work, I thought I would just start >over with a new preference file. Exactly which file(s) must be deleted to >"start over?" Starting over in a relatively narrow meaning would be to start with no preferences file and let AutoShare create one once she starts up. A less narrow approach would be to start with a fresh preferences folder. Even if this makes your problem go away, it unfortunately would not explain why it happened to you in the first place.
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 08:59:29 -0400 From: Jerry Thompson <mlists at ppdirect dot com> Subject: Window Sizing/Feature Request Greetings, Many thanks to Mikael and James for helping me a few weeks ago. Anyway to change the size of the window or even reduce the amount of information contained in each one. Now that my lists are back in order, the screen is becoming clutter with windows. Basically, all I really need to know is: Message File Name TO (either List name or Autoshare) Sender Name / Email Addr (w/ an option of either Name and Email or just Email) and Action Something similar to: ---------------------------------- Filename: b3310bc5 TO: Autoshare RFC From: <jthompson at ppdirect dot com> Action: Subscribe <listname> ---------------------------------- If not... then perhaps being able to resize the window would be good. Even if the info doesn't fit, I would be able to stretch it open if I need to see the details. Just a thought. Best Regards, Jerry Thompson Webmaster/MIS Director PP List Management, Inc. http://www.ppdirect.com
Subject: Re: AutoShare-Talk digest 14 Apr 1999 Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 17:57:57 -0400 From: Charles L. Martin <clmartin at theombudsman dot com> Unfortunately, trashing the preferences file did not help. I guess I have to try the entire folder. On 4/14/99 5:01 PM, AutoShare-Talk list said: >>I thought I asked this before, but can find neither my question nor an >>answer. Since I cannot get logs to work, I thought I would just start >>over with a new preference file. Exactly which file(s) must be deleted to >>"start over?" > >Starting over in a relatively narrow meaning would be to start with >no preferences file and let AutoShare create one once she starts up. >A less narrow approach would be to start with a fresh preferences >folder. Even if this makes your problem go away, it unfortunately >would not explain why it happened to you in the first place. Charles L. Martin clmartin at theOmbudsman dot com http://www.theOmbudsman.com/Martin_Law/ Alice: ³The King seems so prejudiced.² King: ³Thank you Alice. That¹s what makes me so eminently qualified to = be Judge.² Alice in Wonderland, Lewis Carroll
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 12:50:49 -0700 From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com> Subject: Re: Window Sizing/Feature Request At 08:59 -0400 4/14/99, Jerry Thompson wrote: >Many thanks to Mikael and James for helping me a few weeks ago. Thanks :-) >Anyway to change the size of the window or even reduce the amount of >information contained in each one. You wouldn't know it unless you had tried dragging the lower right corner of the window, but the status window is actually resizeable. It's just that it is not scrollable, because no scrollbars including resizebox have been added. >Now that my lists are back in order, >the screen is becoming clutter with windows. You are most likely referring to multiple status windows as a result of using multiple preference sets. I probably wouldn't call it clutter simply because some windows are partly hidden at times, but I do see your point in having all status windows fully visible at the same time.
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 20:48:24 +0200 From: Giedo De Snijder <igiedsn at giedsn.eunet dot be> Subject: Resistant error when adding a domain to the host list. Hi, Yesterday I installed MacOS 8.5.1 (US) on my remote server. So now there only exists 1 scripting additions folder in the System Folder. There is no longer a second one in the extensions folder. The scripting additions only contains the items installed by the MacOs 8.5 installation. Nevertheless I get the same <<PUSH>> error like before when I try to add a new domain to the "host" list. Trying to find an answer myself : In the multiple preferences I have 3 items : All- Default -@abitmore The default stands for the domain "beaware.be". This domain name is the only item in the "host" window. When I try to add the domain "abitmore.be" I get the error. Following the docs one has to create a subfolder in the Preferences Folder starting with "@" to run a second AutoShare. So I named it "@abitmore" for the docs don't specify what the name has to be after the starting "@". Did I make a mistake ? can I use "@abitmore" or is it "@abitmore.be" ? And in case it is the last name, can it be that a wrong name is the cause of the error in the "host" list. I am only thinking loudly for a conflict with scripting additions as possible cause of the error doesn't seem likely anymore. In any case the AutoShare at abitmore dot be and the AutoShare at beaware dot be are running like they should. No problems at all. It seems the "host" list don't bother to have only one domain listed. What is the function of this host list for AutoShare's well-being ? Thank you for your time and patience. _giedo ============================================================= Giedo De Snijder giedo at beaware dot be igiedsn at giedsn.eunet dot be be.aware : to be digital or not, that'll become the problem =============================================================
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 07:54:35 -0700 From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com> Subject: Re: Resistant error when adding a domain to the host list. At 20:48 +0200 4/15/99, Giedo De Snijder wrote: >The scripting additions only contains the items installed by the MacOs 8.5 >installation. >Nevertheless I get the same <<PUSH>> error like before when I try to add a >new domain to the "host" list. >Trying to find an answer myself : > >In the multiple preferences I have 3 items : All- Default -@abitmore >The default stands for the domain "beaware.be". Some confusion here stems from mixing worlds. AutoShare operates in basically three layers: 1. server-wide 2. preference set 3. list-specific Admins who don't use multiple preference sets are often happily unaware of the first layer. It's there, but no attention needs to be paid to it. It's like people who always eat oatmeal and who eventually may forget that oatmeal is a cereal as to them oatmeal equals cereal. AutoShare eats as many kinds of cereal as the Admin has specified preference sets. And just as some people may have oatmeal one morning, corn flakes the next morning, yogurt the follow morning and then start over with oatmeal the morning after that, AutoShare defaults to rotating preference sets with every high-level event being processed. So when you have a multiple preference set environment and want to configure a given preference set, at that time make sure to first configure AutoShare to be running in that one given preference set only, and once you're done configuring, return processing to all preference sets by specifying all. The host configuration is a feature specific to a preference set and as such is not server-wide. The @ sign belongs in the secondary preference _folder_ names only. It should _not_ be specified in host entries, as it resides within a preference set. The push error may happen due to confusion about some of the above. >What is the function of this host list for AutoShare's well-being ? In a multiple preference set environment, no more than taking into account recipient variations of the same domain name, e.g. user at a.b dot com and user at b dot com. It is likely that you may not have to use the hosts feature at all.
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 11:58:44 -0700 From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com> Subject: Re: Resistant error when adding a domain to the host list. At 07:54 -0700 4/16/99, Mikael Hansen wrote: >AutoShare defaults to rotating preference sets with every high-level >event being processed. It should read: AutoShare defaults to rotating preference sets with every time she _checks_ for high-level events. Those two tasks take place at the beginning of the AutoShare server's main processing loop.
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 08:03:33 -0700 From: Camelot Administrator <camelot.admin at lmco dot com> Subject: Fwd: Processing Alert Is this an EIMS generated condition, or an Autoshare generated condition? I ask because disk space was never low (there was over 450Meg on the disk). A reboot seemed to have corrected the problem, but now I'm trying to figure out what caused it? The symptoms were that nothing was being processed. Any help is appreciated. Thanks. Bill << start of forwarded material >> Mime-Version: 1.0 To: admin at camelot.lmms.lmco dot com (O/5E-35 Distribution) Precedence: bulk From: postmaster at camelot.lmms.lmco dot com (Camelot Postmaster) Subject: Processing Alert Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 08:12:22 -0700 Disk space is okay. AutoShare has re-entered normal processing mode << end of forwarded material >>
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 12:39:27 -0700 From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com> Subject: Re: Fwd: Processing Alert At 08:03 -0700 4/19/99, Camelot Administrator wrote: >Is this an EIMS generated condition, or an Autoshare generated condition? >I ask because disk space was never low (there was over 450Meg on the disk). >A reboot seemed to have corrected the problem, but now I'm trying to figure >out what caused it? The symptoms were that nothing was being processed. >Disk space is okay. AutoShare has re-entered normal processing mode The message is somewhat inaccurate in as much as it implies that the source of the problem was being low on disk space. You probably just disabled the processing mode from the menu and didn't re-enable it yourself.
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 15:49:21 -0700 From: Camelot Administrator <camelot.admin at lmco dot com> Subject: Re: Fwd: Processing Alert At 12:39 PM -0700 on 4/19/99, Mikael Hansen wrote: > At 08:03 -0700 4/19/99, Camelot Administrator wrote: > > >Is this an EIMS generated condition, or an Autoshare generated condition? > >I ask because disk space was never low (there was over 450Meg on the disk). > >A reboot seemed to have corrected the problem, but now I'm trying to figure > >out what caused it? The symptoms were that nothing was being processed. > > >Disk space is okay. AutoShare has re-entered normal processing mode > > The message is somewhat inaccurate in as much as it implies that the > source of the problem was being low on disk space. You probably just > disabled the processing mode from the menu and didn't re-enable it > yourself. > How probable would it be to disable this by accident? I ask this because I have not done any disabling; in fact, if someone had asked me to disable the process mode, I would reply, "You can do that?" So if this is something that can be triggered by accident, then maybe that's what happened (from what menu?). If it seems less likely that it could be by accident, then something else triggered it. +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Camelot Administrator, mailto:camelot.admin at lmco dot com | | Lockheed Martin, Enterprise Information Systems, Sunnyvale, CA | +----------------------------------------------------------------+
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 14:00:43 +0200 From: Detlef Beyer <d.beyer at crash dot de> Subject: Rebound support?! Howdy, I'm using the great little rebound module (http://www.sophisticated.com/prod= ucts/rebound/rebound.html) on my G3 server - this device monitors the Mac= for a system crash and restarts the machine if needed. Rebound also support= the monitoring of applications - this can be done via AppleScript or if the= application supports rebound via a module build with a special Rebound SDK.= I really would like to this this feature in AutoShare - any chance?! Detlef
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 07:39:32 -0700 From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com> Subject: Re: Rebound support?! At 14:00 +0200 4/21/99, Detlef Beyer wrote: >I'm using the great little rebound module >(http://www.sophisticated.com/products/rebound/rebound.html) on my >G3 server - this device monitors the Mac for a system crash and >restarts the machine if needed. Rebound also support the monitoring >of applications - this can be done via AppleScript or if the >application supports rebound via a module build with a special >Rebound SDK. I really would like to this this feature in AutoShare - >any chance?! Sending a simple AppleEvent every so often to Rebound? Sure :-)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 20:04:14 +0200 From: Jochen Haeberle <listen at MIDRAS dot de> Subject: Re: Rebound support?! Hi, At 14:00 Uhr +0200 21.04.1999, Detlef Beyer wrote: >Howdy, > >I'm using the great little rebound module >(http://www.sophisticated.com/products/rebound/rebound.html) on my >G3 server - this device ... >module build with a special Rebound SDK. I really would like to this >this feature in AutoShare - any chance?! I would second that wish! It would be a great help for a stable service. Jochen
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 19:49:11 -0700 From: Matthew Hill <happytwo at milepost1 dot com> Subject: question on mailbacks Is it possible to have specific mailbacks for individual lists? I have a folder called mailback with one default file and one file named for the name of the list. However the default is always returned for the mailback. HELP! Thanks, Matthew
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 20:24:00 -0700 From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com> Subject: AutoShare 3.1.1b3 The highly optional and pure fun 3.1.1b3 has been uploaded to <ftp://ftp.dnai.com/users/m/meh/AutoShare/Beta/> I have cleaned up the AppleScript dictionary and divided the AutoShare Suite into Main Suite, Handy Suite and Utility Suite. The Keys Down AppleScript command makes your script able to detect if a "combo" key such as the option key is pressed. The powerful Type Keys command simulates key strokes and is aimed at applications which are not as scriptable as you would like them to be. The Sort List and Search List commands for AppleScript lists have been added, mostly because I like to conduct silly speed tests once in a while. AutoShare now supports the Rebound software by every so often (120 seconds) sending a timer value (600 seconds; zero when AutoShare quits) to the PowerKey Extension or if not present then the Rebound! Extension.
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 12:49:08 -0700 From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com> Subject: Re: question on mailbacks At 19:49 -0700 4/26/99, Matthew Hill wrote: >Is it possible to have specific mailbacks for individual lists? I have >a folder called mailback with one default file and one file named for >the name of the list. However the default is always returned for >the mailback. I trust you're talking about list server command messages only. It's likely that I may not have completed the support for list-specific documents here. I'll look into it.
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 01:01:38 +0100 From: James Berriman <james at acoustic.demon.co dot uk> Subject: Re: AutoShare 3.1.1b3 At 04:24 +0100 27/4/1999, Mikael Hansen wrote: >The highly optional and pure fun 3.1.1b3 has been uploaded to > <ftp://ftp.dnai.com/users/m/meh/AutoShare/Beta/> also available at: <http://www.dcl.co.uk/MacOS/email/autoshare/AutoShare3.1.1b3.sit.bin> ( :-]) James
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 19:08:44 -0700 From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com> Subject: Re: question on mailbacks At 12:49 -0700 4/27/99, Mikael Hansen wrote: >At 19:49 -0700 4/26/99, Matthew Hill wrote: > >>Is it possible to have specific mailbacks for individual lists? I have >>a folder called mailback with one default file and one file named for >>the name of the list. However the default is always returned for >>the mailback. > >I trust you're talking about list server command messages only. It's >likely that I may not have completed the support for list-specific >documents here. I'll look into it. I ran some tests, and it looks fine to me. If you can't make it work, I need to see a specific message in full.
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 21:00:06 -0700 From: Matthew Hill <happytwo at milepost1 dot com> Subject: Re: question on mailbacks Hi What kind of message do you need to see? When a subscription request is sent to the list server (list has "S" in mail-back) The file called Default is sent. The folder is MailBack with 2 files inside one is Default the other is "officers" the name of the list. The command is in the body to the list server, sub officers <email address> So if you could let me know what message you need to see i will send it. I am sure it is something i am doing. Thanks Matthew Mikael Hansen wrote: > > At 12:49 -0700 4/27/99, Mikael Hansen wrote: > > >At 19:49 -0700 4/26/99, Matthew Hill wrote: > > > >>Is it possible to have specific mailbacks for individual lists? I have > >>a folder called mailback with one default file and one file named for > >>the name of the list. However the default is always returned for > >>the mailback. > > > >I trust you're talking about list server command messages only. It's > >likely that I may not have completed the support for list-specific > >documents here. I'll look into it. > > I ran some tests, and it looks fine to me. If you can't make it work, > I need to see a specific message in full. > > ** The AutoShare-Talk archives are at: > ** <http://frutiger.staffs.ac.uk/autoshare/archives/> --
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 07:16:05 -0700 From: Matthew Hill <happytwo at milepost1 dot com> Subject: Re: question on mailbacks Hi When I send a subscription to the list server I get back the default. When i send a subscription to the officers-on account the i receive the correct mail back. Matthew Mikael Hansen wrote: > > At 12:49 -0700 4/27/99, Mikael Hansen wrote: > > >At 19:49 -0700 4/26/99, Matthew Hill wrote: > > > >>Is it possible to have specific mailbacks for individual lists? I have > >>a folder called mailback with one default file and one file named for > >>the name of the list. However the default is always returned for > >>the mailback. > > > >I trust you're talking about list server command messages only. It's > >likely that I may not have completed the support for list-specific > >documents here. I'll look into it. > > I ran some tests, and it looks fine to me. If you can't make it work, > I need to see a specific message in full. > > ** The AutoShare-Talk archives are at: > ** <http://frutiger.staffs.ac.uk/autoshare/archives/> --
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 07:52:01 -0700 From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com> Subject: Re: question on mailbacks At 21:00 -0700 4/27/99, Matthew Hill wrote: >What kind of message do you need to see? When a subscription request is >sent to the list server (list has "S" in mail-back) The file called >Default is sent. The folder is MailBack with 2 files inside one is >Default the other is "officers" the name of the list. >The command is in the body to the list server, >sub officers <email address> >So if you could let me know what message you need to see i will send it. >I am sure it is something i am doing. Your AutoShare configuration is fine, it would seem. As far as the message is concerned, I am looking for trailing lines in the body which are not directed at the list name. If the body contains only sub officers <email address> the document specific to officers is returned. If the body contains sub officers <email address> review fun-l or sub officers <email address> list the commands are not all exclusively targeted at the officers list, so the default document is returned. If the body contains sub officers <email address> review officers the document specific to officers is returned. There's some unintended behaviour here though because the default document is returned unless the review command is mail-back enabled as well. If the body contains sub officers <email address> garbage .sig the document specific to officers should be returned, but is not, due to another case of unintended behaviour. Let me know if these findings are any different from yours.
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 12:35:22 -0700 From: Camelot Administrator <camelot.admin at lmco dot com> Subject: Re: AutoShare 3.1.1b3 At 8:24 PM -0700 on 4/26/99, Mikael Hansen wrote: > The highly optional and pure fun 3.1.1b3 has been uploaded to > <ftp://ftp.dnai.com/users/m/meh/AutoShare/Beta/> > Also mirrored at http://pascal-central.com/autoshare/beta/ +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Camelot Administrator, mailto:camelot.admin at lmco dot com | | Lockheed Martin, Enterprise Information Systems, Sunnyvale, CA | +----------------------------------------------------------------+
Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 18:42:42 +0200 From: Giedo De Snijder <igiedsn at giedsn.eunet dot be> Subject: The Monthly help file If the following is right : To send a "Monthly help" file to list subscribers automatically, you place : method 1 a Month.<list> file in Auto/docs/autoshare/ for each list (even aliases of Month.fun-L) method 2 a folder "Month" in auto/docs/autoshare/ with for each list a file with the name "<list>" in it. The monthly help file is sent every first day of a new month. what can be the reason(s), the monthly help files aren't sent in my case ? I am using AutoShare3.1.1b2. Thank you. _giedo ============================================================= Giedo De Snijder giedo at beaware dot be igiedsn at giedsn.eunet dot be be.aware : to be digital or not, that'll become the problem =============================================================
Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 19:19:45 +0200 From: Giedo De Snijder <igiedsn at giedsn.eunet dot be> Subject: remote administration by e-mail I have tested the "Month" command by remote administration by e-mail: message to <autoshare@mydomain> body line : myremote_password_for_list Month my_emailaddress <list> I get two mail messages back 1)one with the subject "remote Month" and in the body the above line but with the word password instead of the real one 2)one with the subject "<list> Monthly Help File" and in the body the content of my Month.<list> file. This is like it should be. The sender of both messages is "bounce@mydomain" and not "autoshare@mydomain". Is this the normal way ? And in case of automatically served Month files ? is autoshare@mydomain the sender or not ? _giedo ============================================================= Giedo De Snijder giedo at beaware dot be igiedsn at giedsn.eunet dot be be.aware : to be digital or not, that'll become the problem =============================================================
Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 02:07:25 -0700 From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com> Subject: Re: remote administration by e-mail At 19:19 +0200 5/2/99, Giedo De Snijder wrote: >I have tested the "Month" command by remote administration by e-mail: :-) >The sender of both messages is "bounce@mydomain" and not "autoshare@mydomain". >Is this the normal way ? >And in case of automatically served Month files ? is autoshare@mydomain the >sender or not ? Yes, autoshare@ represents the address for list server commands, but there is no address representing the list server as such, so the bounce address is used.
Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 02:14:38 -0700 From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com> Subject: Apple Confidential =46un stuff: I have read Apple Confidential this weekend and did not turn on my computer while reading it as the book was hard to put down :-) Apple Confidential. The Real Story of Apple Computer, Inc. Owen W. Linzmayer. 1999. 244 pages. <http://pw1.netcom.com/~owenink/confidential.html> <http://www.macspeedzone.com/articles/appleconfidentialframe.html> Linzmayer's book is enjoyable, entertaining and easily read. Is packed with photos, charts, time lines and sidebar quotes. Nice mentions of Wayne and Raskin. The chapters are lined up by topics rather than chronologically. Not much on the PowerPC deal. There is unfortunately no chapter on Macintosh networking, I couldn't find any mention of Open Transport, and the author has little to say about the Internet. Apple: The Inside Story of Intrique, Egomania and Business Blunders Jim Carlton. 1997. 463 pages. <http://www.insanely-great.com/booksrev.html#Carlton> <http://www.j-2.com/bnf/0812928512.htm> Not as easily read, but fascinating with juicy details. Lots on Gassée and Spindler. The book is often (too) harsh, and the author later publicly admitted his surprise over how well and quickly Apple rebounded. Insanely Great. The Life and Times of Macintosh, the Computer That Changed Everything. Steven Levy. 1994. 312 pages. <http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN%3D0140232370/insanelygreatintA /002-4437480-1633036> Odyssey: Pepsi to Apple - A Journey of Adventure, Ideas, and the Future John Sculley. 1987. 450 pages <http://web.syr.edu/~awmolloy/applebks/bios.htm>
Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 02:02:21 -0700 From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com> Subject: Re: The Monthly help file At 18:42 +0200 5/2/99, Giedo De Snijder wrote: >what can be the reason(s), the monthly help files aren't sent in my case ? Most likely that AutoShare wasn't running at midnite. You can make up for it by using the Month command in remote administration by e-mail.
Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 21:54:30 +0200 From: Giedo De Snijder <igiedsn at giedsn.eunet dot be> Subject: about aliases with MacOS 8.5 I am using MacOS 8.5.1 (US) I have heard and experienced myself some Finder problems. Mac Os 8.5 Finder has problems with dates, aliases and some other stuff. I have heard there has been lots of discussion on the MacScript mailing lists about these problems. Regarding my previous "Month Help" file problem, I have to say the following. In Docs/AutoShare/ I made an alias of "Month.Fun-L" and renamed the alias to an existing list "Month.<list>" I didn't get a Month Help file, like I have said. So I deleted the alias "Month.<list>" and made a copy of "Month.Fun-L" and renamed that copy to "Month.<list>". By using the remote administration by e- mail on "Month" I got the Help file. I am wondering I would get it if I hadn't changed the alias to a copy. I will try it out myself but I am wondering if someone else has already experienced problems with aliases under MacOS 8.5. Thank yoy for your time and attention. Giedo De Snijder <mailto: gds at abitmore dot be> +I +I +I +I +I +I +I http://abitmore.be/ +I+I +I +I +I +I +I+I +I +I +I +I +I+I +I = aBITmore =+I+I +I +I +I +I +I+I +I +I resultaatgericht communiceren via Internet+I+I +I
Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 22:20:55 +0200 From: Giedo De Snijder <igiedsn at giedsn.eunet dot be> Subject: Well, I have tried it out (aliases) About the aliases. I have deleted my copy of "Month.<list2"> and made an alias of the real file "Month.<list1>" and renamed it to "Month.<list2>". I have sent a message to AutoShare with the remote command "Month" as before. I have got again two messages files. The "<list2> Monthly Help File" contains the right email headers but the body of the message is the one of <list1> !!!!!!!! BTW Mikael comment on my original question "Why didn't I get automatically a Monthly Help File" : Most likely that AutoShare wasn't running at midnite. Well, AutoShare was running at midnite. That couldn't be the problem. My opinion now after the above mentionned problem is that because I made aliases of "Month.Fun-L" (which is an unconfigured list), the Monthly Help Files for <list1> and <list2> couldn't be sent. What do you think? It 's weird, isn't it ? Giedo De Snijder <mailto: gds at abitmore dot be> +I +I +I +I +I +I +I http://abitmore.be/ +I+I +I +I +I +I +I+I +I +I +I +I +I+I +I = aBITmore =+I+I +I +I +I +I +I+I +I +I resultaatgericht communiceren via Internet+I+I +I
Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 20:48:58 -0700 From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com> Subject: Re: Well, I have tried it out (aliases) At 22:20 +0200 5/3/99, Giedo De Snijder wrote: >The "<list2> Monthly Help File" contains the right email headers but the >body of the message is the one of <list1> !!!!!!!! That is intended, so that these documents can be shared. >My opinion now after the above mentionned problem is that because I made >aliases of "Month.Fun-L" (which is an unconfigured list), the Monthly Help >Files for <list1> and <list2> couldn't be sent. That would make sense, I think.
Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 14:21:32 -0500 From: Randy Phillips <phillips at finan dot com> Subject: The Unsub Command Not Working Hi, I recently set up an announcement list. Everything seems to be working fine but I can't get the Unsub command to work. I keep getting an invalid command returned. I put SU in the mailback prefs. Any ideas? Autoshare SIMS
Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 13:13:35 -0700 From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com> Subject: Re: The Unsub Command Not Working At 14:21 -0500 5/4/99, Randy Phillips wrote: >I recently set up an announcement list. Everything seems to be working >fine but I can't get the Unsub command to work. I keep getting an >invalid command returned. I put SU in the mailback prefs. I need to see a complete returned message with /=original expanded.
Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 11:04:16 -0500 From: Randy Phillips <phillips at finan dot com> Subject: Re: The Unsub Command Not Working > Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 13:13:35 -0700 > From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com> > Reply-To: AutoShare-Talk at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk (Subscribers of AutoShare-Talk) > Subject: Re: The Unsub Command Not Working > > At 14:21 -0500 5/4/99, Randy Phillips wrote: > > >I recently set up an announcement list. Everything seems to be working > >fine but I can't get the Unsub command to work. I keep getting an > >invalid command returned. I put SU in the mailback prefs. > > I need to see a complete returned message with /=original expanded. > Problem solved. There were several issues, the first being I am trying to debug a system a former employee set up (rather half-assed I might add). In the autoshare docs all the unSub.listname files had the /=sub token for subscription detail instead of the /=unsub token. I'm not sure why that would matter but when I made the change the account I set up started to work properly. The other accounts had footers instructing people how to unsubscribe but SU was not defined in the mail-back prefs. Thanks for the quick response, though. Being new to List Servers in general and Autoshare in particular, I'm sure I will have many more questions as time goes on. -- Randy Phillips, Web Manager/Developer Finan Publishing 8730 Big Bend Blvd. St. Louis, Mo. 63119 314-961-6644
Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 12:42:26 -0700 From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com> Subject: Re: The Unsub Command Not Working At 11:04 -0500 5/5/99, Randy Phillips wrote: >Problem solved. Good to hear. >In the autoshare docs all the unSub.listname files had the /=sub >token for subscription detail instead of the /=unsub token. Beware though that the <command>.<list> scheme may suddenly disappear one day. I recommend creating an Unsub folder with documents inside.
Date: 05 May 99 15:19:44 -0500 From: Chuck Boody <chuck_boody at hopkins.k12.mn dot us> Subject: Re: The Unsub Command Not Working Reply to: Re: The Unsub Command Not Working Mikael, Could you amplify the statement below a bit? It's been alluded to in my = cursory readings of update info and documents, but I'm not really clear = about it. Does this imply that we will need to have a folder for each = command and then appropriately named text files within those folders? And,= what is "appropriately names?" Is this all covered in the documentation (= which I haven't been a good person about reading lately)? I've noted that = you have already made the change so I assume that I could update my site = now and be prepared for the future...right? (Am I the only one who works by "if it ain't broke don't fix it" ??? :-> = ) Chuck Boody Analyst/Programmer ISD 270 ======= Mikael Hansen wrote: > >Beware though that the <command>.<list> scheme may suddenly disappear = >one day. I recommend creating an Unsub folder with documents inside. > >
Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 11:45:56 -0700 From: Matthew Hill <happytwo at milepost1 dot com> Subject: Permant forwarding addresses There are subscribers to a list who have permanent forwarding addresses. This is a subscription list. When the user tries to post they receive the message that only subscribers may post. Under the more miscellaneous I have the RFC from checked. Is this where the problem is? Would just unchecking it allow these types of addresses to work? thanks Matthew
Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 12:32:36 -0700 From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com> Subject: Re: The Unsub Command Not Working At 15:19 -0500 5/5/99, Chuck Boody wrote: >(Am I the only one who works by "if it ain't broke don't fix it" ??? :-> ) It's unlikely that I'll remove the <command>.<list> scheme until the day it breaks due to indirect changes in the code or a day (whatever comes first) when I am in that corner of the code and at the same time may happen to be in an overly compulsive obsessive cleaning mood. The folder scheme, which keeps the Documents:AutoShare folder a good deal cleaner, is the only part of this code that is likely to be updated if need be. In any event, I wouldn't worry too much about it; I've been saying the above for maybe two years, and so far so good.
Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 12:53:21 -0700 From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com> Subject: Re: Permant forwarding addresses At 11:45 -0700 5/6/99, Matthew Hill wrote: >There are subscribers to a list who have permanent forwarding addresses. As forwarding is likely to take place only when the subscriber is receiving mail and not sending it, the list server wouldn't care. The problem arises when the subscriber sends to the list server some mail, whose RFC From and/or SMTP FROM is different from the time the subscription took place. You can compare message/s in the Saved Filed Mail folder (if you have that configured) with the entry/ies in the list file and this way nail down the differences.
Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 14:33:49 -0700 From: Mark Hartman <mh-list at harthaven dot com> Subject: Mailing list archives I think I've messed something up. My list archives used to be relatively well-behaved, so I haven't checked them in quite a while. I just did, and find that instead of a single HTML file being written to the archives, properly formatted with table-of- contents and articles, that I get four files: a .toc file in a strange format, a .text file with the actual articles, a .txt file with what looks like the table of contents for the digest day, and an .html file with the formatted table of contents - twice. Does anyone have any suggestions as to what I'm doing wrong? I've gone through the documentation and the balloon help in AutoShare Admin, and I think everything is set up correctly.
Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 01:26:02 +0100 From: James Berriman <james at acoustic.demon.co dot uk> Subject: Re: Mailing list archives At 22:33 +0100 6/5/1999, Mark Hartman wrote: >I think I've messed something up. > >My list archives used to be relatively well-behaved, so I haven't checked >them in quite a while. I just did, and find that instead of a single HTML >file being written to the archives, properly formatted with table-of- >contents and articles, that I get four files: a .toc file in a strange >format, a .text file with the actual articles, a .txt file with what looks >like the table of contents for the digest day, and an .html file with >the formatted table of contents - twice. > >Does anyone have any suggestions as to what I'm doing wrong? I've gone >through the documentation and the balloon help in AutoShare Admin, and >I think everything is set up correctly. You're doing nothing wrong. Relax :-) You evidently have AutoShare configured for both text and html archives. When an archive is requested by mail, AutoShare performs its magic and combines the .toc or .txt file in the archive folder with the related .html or .text file before returning the result. This procedure only applies to the email archives. The web archives are written as single files. Perhaps you had the two confused? ( :-]) James
Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 18:42:15 -0700 From: Mark Hartman <mh-list at harthaven dot com> Subject: Re: Mailing list archives At 5:26 PM -0700 5/6/1999, James Berriman wrote: >At 22:33 +0100 6/5/1999, Mark Hartman wrote: >>I think I've messed something up. >> >>My list archives used to be relatively well-behaved, so I haven't checked >>them in quite a while. I just did, and find that instead of a single HTML >>file being written to the archives, properly formatted with table-of- >>contents and articles, that I get four files: a .toc file in a strange >>format, a .text file with the actual articles, a .txt file with what looks >>like the table of contents for the digest day, and an .html file with >>the formatted table of contents - twice. >> >>Does anyone have any suggestions as to what I'm doing wrong? I've gone >>through the documentation and the balloon help in AutoShare Admin, and >>I think everything is set up correctly. > >You're doing nothing wrong. Relax :-) > >You evidently have AutoShare configured for both text and html archives. >When an archive is requested by mail, AutoShare performs its magic and >combines the .toc or .txt file in the archive folder with the related .html >or .text file before returning the result. > >This procedure only applies to the email archives. The web archives are >written as single files. Perhaps you had the two confused? Well, take a look at: <http://www.harthaven.com/list-archives/sw-routers-list/index.html> I don't think that this is how it's supposed to look. Look specifically at the .html file for 3/13/99; I don't think it's supposed to display like that, either.
Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 22:36:24 -0700 From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com> Subject: Re: Mailing list archives At 18:42 -0700 5/6/99, Mark Hartman wrote: >Well, take a look at: > ><http://www.harthaven.com/list-archives/sw-routers-list/index.html> > >I don't think that this is how it's supposed to look. It certainly isn't :-) In the Admin, compare the Archive Folder (Cmd-F) with the Web Path (Cmd-L, click the List button). It is my guess that the two folder paths are identical. They never should be. The archive folder stores the generic archives (text and/or html pairs), whereas the web path points to the automated web archives. The latter (the target) is based on the former (the source) in the mechanism described by James.
Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 09:58:58 -0700 Subject: help: how to change 'post priviledges' for multiple subcribers From: "Timo Ochmann" <timo at bigmindmedia dot com> hi all: here is my dilemma. i would like to change a mailing list that has been previously set up as a moderated list to a regular subscription list. the problem is that some of the subscribers to this list have posting privs some of them don't, which is not much of an issue since it is moderated. now that i want to change it to a subscription list i would like all the subscribers to have NO posting privs and only a selected few with posting rights. my question: how do i accomplish this switch over most efficiently? i don't want to use autoshare admin to manually select each subscriber and change his/hers posting rights that way. the online manual doesn't give me any suggestions on how to perform this task i.e. with an apple script. does anybody have any ideas? -- Timo Ochmann <mailto:timo at bigmindmedia dot com> BigMindMedia <http://www.bigmindmedia.com/> Information Architect / System Administrator ---For Sale--- http://home.earthlink.net/~cpprojects/