Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 20:06:36 -0800 From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com> Subject: Re: 2nd of 2 Admin mysteries At 01:29 -0600 3/22/97, Jerry Thompson wrote: > 2. Remotely connected to the Server's HD via AppleTalk and >mounted the HD. >Any additional suggestions? Try not doing step 2. >However, normally my computer and the server are on 2 different segments >of the network making them only able to communicate via TCP/IP. So -- >trying to admin this way requires quite a few cable juggling. If there are indeed two totally separate AppleTalk networks, I don't see how remore scripting could possibly work! I need to hear more about your tricks, as they don't appear quite kosher :-) From the remote Admin computer, run the script tell application "Finder" set myApp to choose application end tell Do you see the server zone and AutoShare? If you choose it, what does the results window in the Script Editor show? -- Mikael Hansen <mailto:meh at dnai dot com>
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 23:11:52 -0800 From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com> Subject: Re: Admin Problems At 21:18 -0400 3/23/97, Richard Long wrote: >I had the same problem with the Facespan asking for the .68K version even >though I am running the .ppc version. What I did was to change .ppc to >.68K. Everything is now working fine. Interesting. If I am reading you correctly, you are running the standard Admin on the same Mac as the AutoShare.ppc renamed to AutoShare.68k. Jerry, what would happen if your remote desktop computer has only a .68k named AutoShare residing on its disk? (You may have to use a fresh Admin.) It shouldn't matter whether it is actually a .68k or a .ppc version, as we just need to test with a .68k name and an AE dictionary inside. -- Mikael Hansen <mailto:meh at dnai dot com>
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 09:45:04 -0600 From: Tom Weishaar <TomW at SiteCentral dot com> Subject: Re: work lists The discussion on work lists ended with me still a little confused. It appears where we are is: * The .m and .d files for a list using the work list feature will have the work list name, not the list name. * The docs and balloons are backwards on this point. * In any case, the names of the .m and .d files aren't relevant to the purpose of work lists (to hide lists from the EXPN function); only the name of corresponding AIMS account is relevant. Have I got this right? -- Tom Weishaar ---------------------------------------------------------------- http://SiteCentral.com/ Web Site Development Corporation
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 15:58:29 +0000 From: James Berriman <james at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk> Subject: Re: work lists Tom Weishaar wrote: > * In any case, the names of the .m and .d files aren't relevant to > the purpose of work lists (to hide lists from the EXPN function); only > the name of corresponding AIMS account is relevant. > > Have I got this right? Yes :-) The original state of play was that the AIMS accounts were renamed, but the actual .m and .d files reflected the name of the list. Things seem to have become a little confused since ;-). Currently, I've no idea about what actually happens! Must go and run some tests... ( :-]) James
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 08:56:08 -0800 From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com> Subject: Re: work lists At 09:45 -0600 3/24/97, Tom Weishaar wrote: > Have I got this right? At 15:58 +0000 3/24/97, James Berriman wrote: >Things seem to have become a little confused since ;-). Currently, I've >no idea about what actually happens! > >Must go and run some tests... Let me know, if <http://frutiger.staffs.ac.uk/autoshare/archives/AutoShare-Talk/Archive-24-Mar-1 997.html#[44]> is wrong. Basically, I said that >Both the work list files and the envelope recipient are converted to the >work list name, which means that both the account name and path in AIMS >must be configured accordingly. -- Mikael Hansen <mailto:meh at dnai dot com>
From: james at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk (James Berriman) Subject: work lists Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 23:12:56 +0000 Just to update people, I checked this out today. Here's what I found: >>Current state of play: >> >>Message sent to list. >> >>AutoShare logs a message to listname.m in status window (odd, since >>listname.m no longer exists anywhere!). >> >>worklist.m list file is updated. >>Message goes to worklist.m account. >> >>So the path and account name both change. If anyone set up a list or lists using the 'work list' feature under version 1.1, you should check that your AIMS accounts are actually pointing at the correct filenames (i.e. worklist.m rather than listname.m). Otherwise, AIMS will be sending messages to out-of-date .m and.d lists that haven't changed since you upgraded to 1.2. ( :-]) James
From: james at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk (James Berriman) Subject: The admin Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 23:13:17 +0000 I downloaded the complete admin and tried it from a remote machine. I had all the 'Where is AutoShare.68k?' problems reported by others. Every= new operation caused a string of 'where is?' dialogs. It appears that= FaceSpan needs to read the application's aete resource whenever it performs= a different script, but it keeps forgetting where to look. All my problems went away when I placed a copy of AutoShare.ppc in the same= folder as the Admin and renamed it AutoShare.68k. I'm not sure whether it was the renaming or placing the application in the= same folder that did the trick ;-) ( :-]) James
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 19:50:13 -0800 From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com> Subject: AutoShare 1.2 post-release notes Hi all Please find the AutoShare 1.2 post-release notes page at <http://www.dnai.com/~meh/autoshare/postrelease/> A link has also been added to the main AutoShare home page. And to the ones of you who just can't get enough, please see <http://www.wrldpwr.com/contentserver/servertips.html> which talks about Tips for Running a Stable Server. Now, back to the Academy Awards... -- Mikael Hansen <mailto:meh at dnai.com> <http://www.dnai dot com/~meh/autoshare/>
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 07:49:00 -0500 From: wsuarez at digprod dot com (Bill Suarez) Subject: Re: The admin James, I think the fact that Admin finds the local copy in the same folder is what makes the difference. I tried a similiar experiment here and got the same results. Bill Suarez _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: The admin From: autoshare-talk at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk at Internet Date: 3/24/97 11:13 PM I downloaded the complete admin and tried it from a remote machine. I had all the 'Where is AutoShare.68k?' problems reported by others. Every new operation caused a string of 'where is?' dialogs. It appears that FaceSpan needs to read the application's aete resource whenever it performs a different script, but it keeps forgetting where to look. All my problems went away when I placed a copy of AutoShare.ppc in the same folder as the Admin and renamed it AutoShare.68k. I'm not sure whether it was the renaming or placing the application in the same folder that did the trick ;-) ( :-]) James ** The AutoShare-Talk archives are at: ** <http://frutiger.staffs.ac.uk/autoshare/archives/AutoShare-Talk/>
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 07:35:49 -0800 From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com> Subject: Re: The admin At 07:49 -0500 3/25/97, Bill Suarez wrote: >I think the fact that Admin finds the local copy in the same folder is >what makes the difference. Interesting indeed. I wonder if any of the following matter at all: 1. local versus remote 2. .ppc versus .68k AutoShare file name 3. .ppc versus .68k application 4. standard versus complete Admin -- Mikael Hansen <mailto:meh at dnai dot com>
Date: 25 Mar 97 13:13:41 -0500 Subject: Automated Web Archives From: Listserv.Admin at Hound.Rollins dot Edu Hello, I am having trouble with AutoShare's automated web achives. Are archives automatically created as soon as a message is processed? I place a valid path in the Web Path box and no archive is created when a message is processed. Am I doing something wrong? Below is the path... Internet Server:Auto:Web Entry: My Autoshare account is called Testing-L Do I need a folder called Testing-L in the path called Web Entry? Thanks Darren A. Lai
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 12:26:36 -0800 From: Steve van Mossel <stevev at weq.gov.bc dot ca> Subject: Posting the lists to a web site I am looking for a way to post the list of current recipients /per list to a web site which runs from a separate box than AIMS/AutoShare. I run several distribution lists on the AIMS server, and sometimes users need to know who is on the various lists. Is there a way which WebStar can point to the list files which AIMs and/or AutoShare uses, which reside on a separate machine? Or... is there a way to have AutoShare or AIMS post the list recipients onto the box which is acting as the web server? Any assistance would be appreciated. Cheers, steve --------------------------------------------------------- Steve van Mossel Network Analyst Ministry of Women's Equality (250) 953-3431 <mailto:stevev at weq.gov.bc dot ca> <http://www.weq.gov.bc.ca/> ---------------------------------------------------------
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 12:45:45 -0800 From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com> Subject: Re: Automated Web Archives At 13:13 -0500 3/25/97, Listserv.Admin at Hound.Rollins dot Edu wrote: >I am having trouble with AutoShare's automated web achives. Are archives >automatically created as soon as a message is processed? I place a valid >path in the Web Path box and no archive is created when a message is >processed. Am I doing something wrong? Below is the path... I just thought of something. The Format option in Miscellaneous in AutoShare must be set to HTML. The default is Text, so perhaps it isn't? -- Mikael Hansen <mailto:meh at dnai.com> <http://www.dnai dot com/~meh/autoshare/>
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 12:59:15 -0800 From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com> Subject: Re: Posting the lists to a web site At 12:26 -0800 3/25/97, Steve van Mossel wrote: >I am looking for a way to post the list of current recipients /per list to >a web site which runs from a separate box than AIMS/AutoShare. > >I run several distribution lists on the AIMS server, and sometimes users >need to know who is on the various lists. Is there a way which WebStar can >point to the list files which AIMs and/or AutoShare uses, which reside on a >separate machine? Or... is there a way to have AutoShare or AIMS post the >list recipients onto the box which is acting as the web server? An AppleScript can probably be written, which copies main list files from one Mac to another whenever an update has taken place. If the script is good, it may also be able to reformat the new file nicely. You may want to look on Info-Mac in the file utilities area. -- Mikael Hansen <mailto:meh at dnai dot com>
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 13:02:47 -0800 From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com> Subject: Re: Confirmation requests Looks like James is having fun :-) -- Mikael Hansen <mailto:meh at dnai.com> <http://www.dnai dot com/~meh/autoshare/>
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 13:03:44 +0000 From: James Berriman <james at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk> Subject: The admin I suspect that the admin still has a hard-coded reference to 'AutoShare.68k' hidden away somewhere. I copied the aete resource from AutoShare, saved it in a new ResEdit file and called the new file 'AutoShare.68k'. When placed in the same folder as the admin, those annoying dialogs go away :-) This has the advantage that the size of the resource file is just 9182 bytes. You don't need a local copy of the AutoShare application. ( :-]) James
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 13:32:23 +0000 From: james at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk (James Berriman) Subject: Mozilla and confirmation requests Mozilla adds some stuff (attribution, etc) to the start of a message when you reply to a confirmation message. Like so: autoshare-talk at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk wrote: > > af5ed0c1 It would be nice if AutoShare recognised this as a valid confirmation. ( :-]) James
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 08:42:08 -0800 From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com> Subject: Re: The admin At 13:03 +0000 3/26/97, James Berriman wrote: >I suspect that the admin still has a hard-coded reference to >'AutoShare.68k' hidden away somewhere. Oh, it does. And it always will. >This has the advantage that the size of the resource file is just 9182 >bytes. You don't need a local copy of the AutoShare application. Indeed, as the remote Admin merely needs a local AE dictionary. I'm not going to take the fun away by telling you the whole story, but here's an AppleScript hint: nested tells :-) -- Mikael Hansen <mailto:meh at dnai dot com>
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 08:48:55 -0800 From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com> Subject: Re: Mozilla and confirmation requests At 13:32 +0000 3/26/97, James Berriman wrote: >Mozilla adds some stuff (attribution, etc) to the start of a message when >you reply to a confirmation message. Like so: > >autoshare-talk@frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk wrote: >> >> af5ed0c1 > >It would be nice if AutoShare recognised this as a valid confirmation. If Netscape adds *non*-optional stuff to the beginning of the body, then Netscape is a bad boy! For now, the user merely has to delete those beginning body lines (per the instructions!), so that the confirmation keyword line is the first. -- Mikael Hansen <mailto:meh at dnai dot com>
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 17:47:59 +0000 From: James Berriman <james at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk> Subject: Re: The admin Mikael Hansen wrote: > >This has the advantage that the size of the resource file is just 9182 > >bytes. You don't need a local copy of the AutoShare application. > > Indeed, as the remote Admin merely needs a local AE dictionary. Here's an amusing trick for the daring ResEdit users amongst you. 1. Copy the aete resource from an AutoShare application. 2. Paste it into a copy of the full Admin. 3. Rename the full admin "AutoShare.68k". Bingo! One self-contained remote admin. It looks inside itself for the AE dictionary. > I'm not going to take the fun away by telling you the whole story, but > here's an AppleScript hint: nested tells :-) Aw, don't tease! BTW, I noticed that the Admin scripts the local finder to perform the docs... and filters... functions in the configuration menu. So you have to have the server volume mounted for those particular functions to work. Is this documented? ( :-]) James
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 17:58:30 +0000 From: James Berriman <james at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk> Subject: Re: The admin Mikael Hansen wrote: > I'm not going to take the fun away by telling you the whole story, but > here's an AppleScript hint: nested tells :-) One tell to compile with the local AE dictionary, one to actually run the script on the remote machine? So could the compile step of your nested tell refer to the Admin itself, which would have a copy of the AE dictionary inside it? Thus removing the need for a local copy of AutoShare? The last time I tried to follow a discussion of nested tells on MACSCRPT, all my hair fell out :-( ( :-]) James
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 11:58:42 -0800 From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com> Subject: Re: The admin At 17:47 +0000 3/26/97, James Berriman wrote: >Bingo! One self-contained remote admin. It looks inside itself for the >AE dictionary. FaceSpan 2.1 actually offers me to do just that ;-) But I declined the offer in both 1.1 and 1.2 due to dependencies and discrepancies arising from the situation where I would mail someone a non-public AutoShare test application, but not an Admin (as the two dictionaries may differ). This is also the reason why I haven't gone along with the dictionary only file, which I also considered for both 1.1 and 1.2. I may change my mind for the next version though :-) >BTW, I noticed that the Admin scripts the local finder to perform the >docs... and filters... functions in the configuration menu. So you have >to have the server volume mounted for those particular functions to >work. Is this documented? Everything is meant to point to the Mac, which runs AutoShare. At 17:58 +0000 3/26/97, James Berriman wrote: >Mikael Hansen wrote: >> I'm not going to take the fun away by telling you the whole story, but >> here's an AppleScript hint: nested tells :-) > >One tell to compile with the local AE dictionary, one to actually run >the script on the remote machine? Correct. And this is important: the outer tell for the dictionary, the inner tell for the running application. This is a rather intricate thing for remote AppleScripting. >The last time I tried to follow a discussion of nested tells on >MACSCRPT, all my hair fell out :-( I can believe that! One more thing, and more basic: if I write a local script with a single tell block hard-coded to "AutoShare.ppc", and you then start it up on a 68K Mac running AutoShare, the "hard-coded" reference will automagically change to "AutoShare.68K" on the fly. A nice touch, but also good to keep in mind. I trust that this applies to the outer tell in a remote environment, but I'm not quite sure that it always does... -- Mikael Hansen <mailto:meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Mime QP and Web pages Date: Thu, 27 Mar 97 16:13:10 +0100 From: Christophe Lhomme <Christophe.Lhomme at ansf.alcatel dot fr> I still have some problems with accents... My users may post to the list with or without the "quoted printable" = encoding, depending whether they use accents or not. In both cases the messages sent by the list are correctly received = with the correct QP option. But, as I recently told Mikael Hansen recently the digests received = trough a "get" don=B9t have the QP flag in their header besides the = QP flag set in the Autoshare preferences. He replied me it could be = done for the 1.3 release. I tried the web feature and made it work after setting the Format = option to HTML as M. Hansen replied to somebody. The web archive = works fine ... but not for the accents : they are still coded in QP = and appear as (for example) =3DE9 which make them unreadable ! I think that it should be as following : - when a message is received by AS it is archived without = modification (as done today by the 1.2) - when someone asks for an archive file by sending a "get", the = response header is encoded according to the MIME option (plain text = or quoted printable) - as the digest is produced it is added to the web page with a = transcoded from quoted printable to HTML. I am afraid that it is not very clear so I will answer to any = question you may ask ! TIA Christophe Lhomme Alcatel Postal Automation Systems Christophe.Lhomme at ansf.alcatel dot fr
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 09:10:38 -0800 From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com> Subject: Re: Mime QP and Web pages At 16:13 +0100 3/27/97, Christophe Lhomme wrote: >I think that it should be as following : >- when a message is received by AS it is archived without modification >(as done today by the 1.2) That would be the easy part :-) >- when someone asks for an archive file by sending a "get", the response >header is encoded according to the MIME option (plain text or quoted >printable) The question here is: for server mail originated by the client, does the client or the server decide whether it should QP-encoded or not? In 1.2, both the client and the server must agree that QP is desired. If the client's original message does not contain a QP header, although if 1.2 is set to QP, no Mac-to-MIME character conversion is performed. If the 1.2 server is not configured to QP, although the client message includes a QP header, no Mac-to-MIME character conversion is performed. If I remember correctly, you would like to set an option in AutoShare, which does not consider the RFC header of the client mail. If AutoShare is to QP, the client would then always get QP-encoded. I am still considering this. Mail originated by the server itself relies exclusively on the QP setting. >- as the digest is produced it is added to the web page with a transcoded >from quoted printable to HTML. While the HTML character set may be based on the ISO-8859-1 QP character set used by MIME QP, it differs somewhat character-wise and is most distinctly perceived in the actual codes used. MIME uses an equal sign followed by two hexadecimal digits. HTML uses an ampersand plus either a descriptive word or a pound sign followed by a decimal number. This is something I would like to implement. -- Mikael Hansen <mailto:meh at dnai dot com>
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 13:47:33 -0800 From: Dave Carlton <davec at apple dot com> Subject: AS 1.2 No Workee Help< I have read the instructions and set up what seems to be reasonable but no joy. Everything seems to work except I don't get any mail back from the list. I can see the text in the current and digest files but nothing ever gets sent to the subscriber (me). ANy help?
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 07:19:12 -0500 From: wsuarez at digprod dot com (Bill Suarez) Subject: Re: AS 1.2 No Workee How did you set the Acknowledgement flag, in the list your are posting too, for you subscription entry? If you left it unchecked then you won't get a copy of anything that you posted. Try checking that box for your address and then posting another entry to the list. Bill Suarez DPI _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: AS 1.2 No Workee From: autoshare-talk at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk at Internet Date: 3/28/97 1:47 PM Help< I have read the instructions and set up what seems to be reasonable but no joy. Everything seems to work except I don't get any mail back from the list. I can see the text in the current and digest files but nothing ever gets sent to the subscriber (me). ANy help? ** The AutoShare-Talk archives are at: ** <http://frutiger.staffs.ac.uk/autoshare/archives/AutoShare-Talk/>
Date: 31 Mar 1997 16:07:04 U From: "Chuck Boody" <chuck_boody at hopkins.k12.mn dot us> Subject: Re: Bug Autoshare bounce??? Hope you folks can help. See the message at the end of this note. Though bounce seems to work ok most of the time I am getting the message below back. I am not sure why. Some possibilities: 1) Note the truncated RFC to. It should read "webdudes@stumail.hopkins.k12.mn dot us" That might be why the bounce doesn't see it. 2) All of our folks are at your_name at hopkins.k12.mn dot us but the StarNine gateway is returning "elaine_hove.mb#u#mail@hopkins.k12.mn dot us" which includes her QM mailcenter. So, even if the RFC were not truncated I'm not sure that she would be properly removed by the bounce. Any "fixes" for this problem included within Autoshare?? I'll also check the Starnine folks to see if I can get the address to drop the extra stuff. Thanks for the help. Chuck Boody Analyst programmer Isd #270 (and a proud user of AutoShare and "Mailshare" since the early betas a looong time ago!) ---------------------------------------- Text indicates: [] (not subscribed) Code indicates: [] (not subscribed) RFC From is: [kim_mach at hopkins.k12.mn dot us] (does not matter) RFC To is: ["webdudes@stumail.hopkins.k12 dot m"] (not a list) Received: from ties.k12.mn.us (198.22.19.3) by stumail.hopkins.k12.mn.us with ESMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.1.1); Mon, 31 Mar 1997 15:26:23 -0600 Received: from hopkins.k12.mn.us (hopkins.k12.mn.us [198.174.221.9]) by ties.k12.mn.us (8.8.5/8.8.2) with SMTP id PAA25465 for <bouncer at stumail.hopkins.k12.mn dot us>; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 15:29:29 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <n1352299389.38237 at hopkins.k12.mn dot us> Date: 31 Mar 1997 15:42:16 U From: "Mail Delivery Subsystem" <MAILER-DAEMON at hopkins.k12.mn dot us> Subject: Returned Mail To: bouncer at stumail.hopkins.k12.mn dot us X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 3.0.2 -------------- Special condition follows -------------- Unknown QuickMail recipient(s): elaine_hove.mb#u#mail at hopkins.k12.mn dot us -------------- Message follows -------------- Received: by hopkins.k12.mn.us with SMTP;31 Mar 1997 15:37:28 U Received: from ties.k12.mn.us (198.22.19.3) by stumail.hopkins.k12.mn.us with ESMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.1.1); Mon, 31 Mar 1997 15:18:05 -0600 Received: from hopkins.k12.mn.us (hopkins.k12.mn.us [198.174.221.9]) by ties.k12.mn.us (8.8.5/8.8.2) with SMTP id PAA25108 for <webdudes at stumail.hopkins.k12.mn dot us>; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 15:21:10 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <n1352299887.15523 at hopkins.k12.mn dot us> Date: 31 Mar 1997 15:31:25 U Reply-To: webdudes at stumail.hopkins.k12.mn dot us Errors-To: bouncer at stumail.hopkins.k12.mn dot us Precedence: bulk X-List-Software: AutoShare 1.2 by Mikael Hansen X-List-Admin: chuck_boody at hopkins.k12.mn dot us X-List-Subscribe: <mailto:listserv at stumail.hopkins.k12.mn dot us?subject=subscribe%20webdudes> X-List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:listserv at stumail.hopkins.k12.mn dot us?subject=unsubscribe%20webdudes> X-To-Unsubscribe: listserv at stumail.hopkins.k12.mn dot us, subject: unsub webdudes From: "Kim Mach" <kim_mach at hopkins.k12.mn dot us> Subject: Re: Student work on the web To: "webdudes@stumail.hopkins.k12.m" <webdudes at stumail.hopkins.k12 dot mn dot us> X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 3.0.2 Reply to: RE>>Student work on the web I agree with Chuck about the caution in using software that is still in beta and because of the fact it only supports one browser we would be providing access to a limited audience (even tho ------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ Received: by hopkins.k12.mn.us with SMTP;31 Mar 1997 15:46:25 U Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain To: chuck_boody at hopkins.k12.mn dot us Precedence: bulk From: bouncer at stumail.hopkins.k12.mn dot us Errors-To: bouncer at stumail.hopkins.k12.mn dot us Subject: Bounce Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 15:26:26 -0600 ------------------------------------------
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 21:09:02 -0800 From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com> Subject: Re: Bug Autoshare bounce??? At 16:07 +0000 3/31/97, Chuck Boody wrote: >Some possibilities: 1) Note the truncated RFC to. It should read >"webdudes@stumail.hopkins.k12.mn dot us" That might be why the bounce doesn't >see it. AutoShare doesn't change the RFC To field in list contributions and is therefore not responsible for the truncated address. It may (or may not, I'm guessing) be a hint that the address has been truncated to about 31 characters, which happens to be the maximum length of a file name in Finder. AutoShare however leaves the quotes as part of the address, which is a (fixed) bug, as the list name would then be extracted as '"webdudes' and as such not be recognized as a valid list name. Actually, AutoShare should really be looking for the address enclosed in <>'s, not the one in ""'s, as characters within the quotes are comments only (that has been fixed too). Assuming this, AutoShare would have recognized 'webdudes' as a list. 2) [...] >So, even if the RFC were not truncated I'm not sure that she would be >properly removed by the bounce. Once we have located a valid list, we move onto the subscriber and look her up in the list file. The susbcriber address however is a blank string, as AutoShare does not recognize the format of the bounced message in question and therefore could not locate the subscriber's address. > -------------- Special condition follows -------------- >Unknown QuickMail recipient(s): > elaine_hove.mb#u#mail at hopkins.k12.mn dot us Even if the format was supported, the address found would include her QM mailcenter as you pointed out, and since the list address most likely does not (I'm not sure though), no match would be found when searching the list. If there's a non-AutoShare problem, this would appear to be it. >Any "fixes" for this problem included within Autoshare?? Not much, I'm afraid. From time to time, I think of automating some sort of an alias file for subscribers, mostly aimed at those (relatively few) (un)subscribe cases where the RFC From differs from envelope sender. I don't think it will help the situation in question though. Just for the fun of it, could you set up a new 'Save as files' dummy@ account in AIMS pointing to a new and separate folder and then have a QM user send a mail to that AIMS account? And when the message file arrives in this new folder, could you then StuffIt the file and send it to me by personal e-mail? Thanks. >(and a proud user of AutoShare and "Mailshare" since the early betas >a looong time ago!) Yeah! :-) -- Mikael Hansen <mailto:meh at dnai.com> <http://www.dnai dot com/~meh/autoshare/>
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 21:15:05 -0800 From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com> Subject: MacWeek <http://www.macweek.com/mw_1113/gw_net_traffic.html> -- Mikael Hansen <mailto:meh at dnai dot com>
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 10:40:55 -0600 From: dmoko at semeru.nusantara dot net (Moko Darjatmoko) Subject: Mail Back on version 1.2 Does anyone has successfully make this new Mail Back feature works? I setup an account and pointed the Save as Files to the Mail Back folder (instead of Filed Mail folder) as per Addendum, but nothing happened. Apparently the mail was still in the Mail Back folder and never got moved to the Hold Mail folder. I had no luck either with the Autoshare account. Upon examining the AutoShare Analysis, I found ERROR on related folders as follows ... Mail Back folder: ERROR: no trailing colon Hold Mail folder: ERROR: no trailing colon Bounce folder: ERROR: no trailing colon Did I do something wrong in the setup/configuring the Autoshare? Moko/
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 18:13:36 +0100 From: James Berriman <james at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk> Subject: Re: Mail Back on version 1.2 >Does anyone has successfully make this new Mail Back feature works? > >I setup an account and pointed the Save as Files to the Mail Back >folder (instead of Filed Mail folder) as per Addendum, but nothing >happened. Apparently the mail was still in the Mail Back folder and >never got moved to the Hold Mail folder. I had no luck either with >the Autoshare account. > >Upon examining the AutoShare Analysis, I found ERROR on related >folders as follows ... > > Mail Back folder: > > ERROR: no trailing colon > > Hold Mail folder: > > ERROR: no trailing colon > > Bounce folder: > > ERROR: no trailing colon > > >Did I do something wrong in the setup/configuring the Autoshare? Bill Catambay just reported the same thing. You have to set up your folder paths for these three folders, either using the Admin application or by direct scripting commands. It's under More folders... in the preferences menu of the Admin. ( :-]) James
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 14:03:08 -0600 From: dmoko at semeru.nusantara dot net (Moko Darjatmoko) Subject: Re: Mail Back on version 1.2 At 6:13 PM 4/1/97, James Berriman wrote: |>Does anyone has successfully make this new Mail Back feature works? ... |>Did I do something wrong in the setup/configuring the Autoshare? | |Bill Catambay just reported the same thing. You have to set up your folder |paths for these three folders, either using the Admin application or by |direct scripting commands. It's under More folders... in the preferences |menu of the Admin. Unfortunately, the Admin never works on my system (something like .. Facespan not loading or too old) and my scripting is a little bit rusty. However your tips give me an idea of using ResEd to add the proper STR# 203,7 ; STR# 203,7 and STR# 203,7 with the respective pointers. The mailback feature is working like a charm now. Thank you, James. Moko/
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 12:58:03 -0800 From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com> Subject: Re: Mail Back on version 1.2 At 14:03 -0600 4/1/97, Moko Darjatmoko wrote: >Unfortunately, the Admin never works on my system (something like .. >Facespan not loading or too old) and my scripting is a little bit >rusty. There are some Admin tips at <http://www.dnai.com/~meh/autoshare/postrelease/> However your tips give me an idea of using ResEd to add the >proper STR# 203,7 ; STR# 203,7 and STR# 203,7 with the respective >pointers. The mailback feature is working like a charm now. Thank >you, James. Yes, STR# 203,7-9 hold the mail-back, hold mail and bounce folders. The AppleScript version is tell application "AutoShare.68k" -- or .ppc SetFolders Folder options {Mail Back: "path", Hold Mail: "path", Bounce: "path"} end tell -- Mikael Hansen <mailto:meh at dnai dot com>
From: Roger_Booth at pubshop.demon.co dot uk Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 16:28:09 GMT Subject: Autoreply to different address I don't know why this is happening but with one or two users my autoshare system sends the autoreply to the wrong address (which just bounces back). For example an autoreply is sent to uvalle!chrlehnh at uunet.uu dot net Although the "From" field is clearly... From: chrlehnh at uvalle.edu dot gt When this person sends email directly to my email system. I don't get all the headers displayed on my system but I wonder if this is enough to go on?
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 19:01:39 -0800 From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com> Subject: AutoShare acquired by Carlsberg Well folks, all good things must come to an end. AutoShare has been acquired by Carlsberg A/S <http://www.carlsberg.com/>, a Danish brewery making "probably the best beer in town". The Group comprises the Parent Company - the Carlsberg Breweries <http://www.carlsberg.dk/> founded in 1847 and Tuborg Breweries <http://www.tuborg.dk/> founded in 1873 - and about 100 subsidiaries and associated companies, the majority of which are situated outside Denmark. The Group has a workforce of approximately 18.500 employees, if all associated companies are included, and it sells its products in about 150 markets. While it is a sad task to put the freeware AutoShare, the many loyal AutoShare users and the beautiful city of San Francisco behind me, I look forward to working on an upcoming AutoShare Pro, which is primarily aimed at servicing announcement lists and auto-responses for the various locations of Carlsberg world-wide, including the Carlsberg Foundation (established by Carlsberg's founder, brewer J.C. Jacobsen), the Frederiksborg Museum of National History, the Carlsberg Laboratory, the New Carlsberg Foundation, New Carlsberg Glyptothek and the Tuborg Foundation. Some of these locations will furthermore put AutoShare to full use locally, as Carlsberg's need for both internal and external services in the areas of discussion lists, auto-responses and vacation notices is likely to boom in the near future. Little can be revealed at this time, but AutoShare Pro will include a WebSTAR plug-in for administrators, speed up processing of enclosures by a factor ten, add support for many more bounce formats and much more. Carlsberg may or may not choose to make AutoShare Pro commercially available, but for now, they are happy with the acquisition of the robust list server software made by a fellow Dane. I for one shall fight for the future of an AutoShare Lite version, although few promises can be made by a person being offered complimentary Carlsberg beers... Cheers! -- <mailto:meh at dnai.com> <http://www.dnai dot com/~meh/autoshare/> Norm Peterson: "It's a dog eat dog world out there, and I'm wearing milkbone underwear."
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 22:50:45 -0800 From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com> Subject: Re: Autoreply to different address At 16:28 +0000 4/1/97, Roger_Booth at pubshop.demon.co dot uk wrote: >I don't know why this is happening but with one or two users my autoshare >system sends the autoreply to the wrong address (which just bounces back). > >For example an autoreply is sent to >uvalle!chrlehnh@uunet.uu dot net > >Although the "From" field is clearly... >From: chrlehnh at uvalle.edu dot gt > >When this person sends email directly to my email system. > >I don't get all the headers displayed on my system but I wonder if this >is enough to go on? It sure is. The key factor is not the original RFC From field, but the hidden envelope sender. The latter is also referred to as the *real* e-mail address of the person that the e-mail is from. If the RFC From lists chrlehnh at uvalle.edu dot gt and at the same time the envelope sender of the same e-mail is uvalle!chrlehnh at uunet.uu dot net, then it looks like the 'Return address:' in 'Personal Information' in Eudora's Settings is different from the e-mail address otherwise used in the Eudora Settings (may be worded differently, if another client software is used). The above return address should be a valid Internet address, so you may want to contact the person in question. -- Mikael Hansen <mailto:meh at dnai.com> <http://www.dnai dot com/~meh/autoshare/>
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 13:59:26 +0100 From: james at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk (James Berriman) Subject: Re: Autoreply to different address At 17:28 1/4/97, Roger_Booth at pubshop.demon.co dot uk wrote: >I don't know why this is happening but with one or two users my autoshare >system sends the autoreply to the wrong address (which just bounces back). > > >For example an autoreply is sent to > >uvalle!chrlehnh@uunet.uu dot net > > >Although the "From" field is clearly... > >From: chrlehnh at uvalle.edu dot gt Roger, I note that you posted your question via a First Class SMTP/NNTP gateway. It's possible that the user's return path (envelope address) is being garbled somehow, either by your system or by some intermediate mail transport agent. The envelope address should always be a valid mailbox, so AutoShare is simply drawing attention to a fault elsewhere. I'd suggest you set up a test account to save as files, then get the users to mail that account. Then you can open the message files and inspect the headers for clues. If you have ResEdit handy, AIMS stores the envelope sender in STR 8192. ( :-]) James
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 13:59:37 +0100 From: james at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk (James Berriman) Subject: Re: AutoShare acquired by Carlsberg At 04:01 2/4/97, Mikael Hansen wrote: >Well folks, all good things must come to an end. AutoShare has been >acquired by Carlsberg A/S <http://www.carlsberg.com/>, a Danish brewery >making "probably the best beer in town". In the UK, it's known more modestly as "probably the best Lager in the world". ( :-]) James
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 16:13:10 +0100 From: james at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk (James Berriman) Subject: List of AutoShare servers In response to a few requests recently, I've put up a page at http://frutiger.staffs.ac.uk/autoshare/serverlist.html. You can add details of your own AutoShare server to the page. ( :-]) James
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 16:13:40 +0100 From: james at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk (James Berriman) Subject: Forms by mail If your web browser supports mailto: forms, you can update your AutoShare-Talk subscription details at: <http://frutiger.staffs.ac.uk/autoshare/autoshare-talk/form.html> Anyone care to test it? ( :-]) James
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 10:35:16 -0500 From: wsuarez at digprod dot com (Bill Suarez) Subject: Re: Forms by mail James, I'd say it works..... ----------- Your status update has been received pertaining to the following list: AutoShare-Talk Ack was already turned on for your subscription Process time was 13.15 seconds Your original message is found below. --- Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: autoshare at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk From: wsuarez at digprod dot com () Subject: (no subject) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 16:27:02 +0100 set AutoShare-Talk ack --- This message has been returned to you by AutoShare, An Apple Internet Mail Server utility ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Forms by mail Author: autoshare-talk at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk at Internet Date: 4/2/97 4:13 PM If your web browser supports mailto: forms, you can update your AutoShare-Talk subscription details at: <http://frutiger.staffs.ac.uk/autoshare/autoshare-talk/form.html> Anyone care to test it? ( :-]) James ** The AutoShare-Talk archives are at: ** <http://frutiger.staffs.ac.uk/autoshare/archives/AutoShare-Talk/>
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 08:22:26 -0800 From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com> Subject: Re: List of AutoShare servers At 16:13 +0100 4/2/97, James Berriman wrote: >In response to a few requests recently, I've put up a page at >http://frutiger.staffs.ac.uk/autoshare/serverlist.html. I have received some requests as well, so this is wonderful! -- Mikael Hansen <mailto:meh at dnai dot com>
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 08:22:06 -0800 From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com> Subject: Re: Forms by mail At 10:35 -0500 4/2/97, Bill Suarez wrote: > James, > > I'd say it works..... It sure does (and doesn't require the presence of a web server!). -- Mikael Hansen <mailto:meh at dnai dot com>
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 08:18:43 -0800 From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com> Subject: Re: AutoShare acquired by Carlsberg At 13:59 +0100 4/2/97, James Berriman wrote: >>making "probably the best beer in town". > >In the UK, it's known more modestly as "probably the best Lager in the world". I may have quoted the slogan somewhat freely (I enjoy max 2 beers a year, and one of them is sometimes consumed on April Fools Day!). -- Mikael Hansen <mailto:meh at dnai dot com>
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 15:33:55 -0800 From: Bill Catambay <admin at clavin.lmsc.lockheed dot com> Subject: Re: Mail Back on version 1.2 >Subject: Re: Mail Back on version 1.2 > >At 6:13 PM 4/1/97, James Berriman wrote: > >|>Does anyone has successfully make this new Mail Back feature works? >... >|>Did I do something wrong in the setup/configuring the Autoshare? >| >|Bill Catambay just reported the same thing. You have to set up your folder >|paths for these three folders, either using the Admin application or by >|direct scripting commands. It's under More folders... in the preferences >|menu of the Admin. > >Unfortunately, the Admin never works on my system (something like .. >Facespan not loading or too old) and my scripting is a little bit >rusty. However your tips give me an idea of using ResEd to add the >proper STR# 203,7 ; STR# 203,7 and STR# 203,7 with the respective >pointers. The mailback feature is working like a charm now. Thank >you, James. > >Moko/ > > Admin never works on my system either. First I had Facespan in the same folder as Admin, and it asked me to look for it, and after selecting it, it still quit with an error. I then moved Facespan to the extensions folder, restarted, tried Admin again, and this time it just quit with an error about "script component would not open". What does that mean? Bill _____________________________________________________________________ Bill Catambay Software Developer, Macintosh/VAX Administrator, 5E-35 Webmaster <http://www.catambay.com/pascal-central> /> // Excalibur: Morgana's Revenge is released! (//////[O]>=========================================- \\ <http://www.catambay.com/morgana> \> ____________________________________________________________________
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 17:22:23 -0800 From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com> Subject: Re: Mail Back on version 1.2 At 15:33 -0800 4/2/97, Bill Catambay wrote: >Admin never works on my system either. There are some Admin tips at <http://www.dnai.com/~meh/autoshare/postrelease/> which appear to solve the problems automagically. This of course assumes that the scripting environment on your Mac is in good shape. If not (running a simple script, e.g. one from AutoShare Samples folder, may determine this), re-install the scripting module from your System diskettes. -- Mikael Hansen <mailto:meh at dnai dot com>
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 10:35:52 -0400 From: "Adam J. Gerstein" <adam at tangentdesign dot com> Subject: Mailing list problems.... Kind people- Sorry to bug you, but I'm having a problem with AutoShare. I have it set up to run two mailing lists. One of them has three of my email addresses on it (it's basically a test list) and it works fine. The other one has five addresses on it (one of which is mine), and it doesn't work except to put the postings that are mailed to it into the digest. I've checked everything with the admin program and both of the lists are configured the same. I just can't figure out what's going wrong. I'm using version 1.1 on a Quadra 900 with System 7.5 or so. I'm waiting for the auto-responder to email me version 1.2 if anyone thinks it will make a difference.... adam ---------------------------------------+------------------ Adam Gerstein | Macintosh: TANGENT Design/Communications | The power to adam at tangentdesign dot com | save the world! http://www.tangentdesign.com | O- ---------------------------------------+------------------
Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 17:33:34 +0100 From: James Berriman <james at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk> Subject: Re: Mailing list problems.... Adam J. Gerstein wrote: > I've checked everything with the admin program and both of the lists are > configured the same. I just can't figure out what's going wrong. Is your subscription set to ACK? If not, you won't get a copy of your posts. Is it possible that your AIMS accounts for that list are not correctly configured? That wouldn't show up in the admin. ( :-]) James
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 09:17:26 -0800 From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com> Subject: About freeware and April Fools Day Hi everyone As I have received a few nice personal e-mails wishing me good luck in the future (thanks!), it is hereby stated that the Carlsberg blurb was a hoax. The basic premise of AutoShare is fun, and as such it will always stay both freeware and freetime. I can't imagine it being otherwise. On a somewhat related note, I have also gotten a couple of e-mails about SmartBounce. This software is a separate application requiring its own overhead, and as it calls for 650K of memory, which is even more than AutoShare's lean 576K, it doesn't appeal much to me; AutoShare own bounce module takes up maybe 10K of the 576K and processes in a speedy fashion. SmartBounce apparently supports many more bounce formats than AutoShare does at this time, but as I have already received reports about the initial AutoShare bounce module achieving a 67-95% hit rate for fully automated bounces, it feels good (many more formats will increase the rate only marginally). And while SmartBounce intends to split itself into a full-featured Pro version and a feature-limited Lite version, you can rest assured that AutoShare's bounce module will never carry a price tag! Having fun is what it's about. -- Mikael Hansen <mailto:meh at dnai dot com> "I'm hip, I'm cool, I'm a happening fool"
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 09:22:29 -0800 From: Bill Catambay <admin at clavin.lmsc.lockheed dot com> Subject: One more question. How do I set the reply-to for the mailing list to point to a different address than the posting address? (e.g., I want the replies to go to the moderator, who, in turn, would post the note to the list) Thanks again, Bill _____________________________________________________________________ Bill Catambay Software Developer, Macintosh/VAX Administrator, 5E-35 Webmaster <http://www.catambay.com/pascal-central> /> // Excalibur: Morgana's Revenge is released! (//////[O]>=========================================- \\ <http://www.catambay.com/morgana> \> ____________________________________________________________________