Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 20:06:36 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: 2nd of 2 Admin mysteries

At 01:29 -0600 3/22/97, Jerry Thompson wrote:

>	2.	Remotely connected to the Server's HD via AppleTalk and
>mounted the HD.

>Any additional suggestions?

Try not doing step 2.

>However, normally my computer and the server are on 2 different segments
>of the network making them only able to communicate via TCP/IP.  So --
>trying to admin this way requires quite a few cable juggling.

If there are indeed two totally separate AppleTalk networks, I don't see
how remore scripting could possibly work! I need to hear more about your
tricks, as they don't appear quite kosher :-)

From the remote Admin computer, run the script

tell application "Finder"
 set myApp to choose application
end tell

Do you see the server zone and AutoShare? If you choose it, what does the
results window in the Script Editor show?

--
Mikael Hansen <mailto:meh at dnai dot com>



Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 23:11:52 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Admin Problems

At 21:18 -0400 3/23/97, Richard Long wrote:

>I had the same problem with the Facespan asking for the .68K version even
>though I am running the .ppc version. What I did was to change .ppc to
>.68K. Everything is now working fine.

Interesting. If I am reading you correctly, you are running the standard
Admin on the same Mac as the AutoShare.ppc renamed to AutoShare.68k.

Jerry, what would happen if your remote desktop computer has only a .68k
named AutoShare residing on its disk? (You may have to use a fresh Admin.)
It shouldn't matter whether it is actually a .68k or a .ppc version, as we
just need to test with a .68k name and an AE dictionary inside.

--
Mikael Hansen <mailto:meh at dnai dot com>



Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 09:45:04 -0600
From: Tom Weishaar <TomW at SiteCentral dot com>
Subject: Re: work lists

The discussion on work lists ended with me still a little confused. 
It appears where we are is:

   * The .m and .d files for a list using the work list feature will 
have the work list name, not the list name.

   * The docs and balloons are backwards on this point.

   * In any case, the names of the .m and .d files aren't relevant to 
the purpose of work lists (to hide lists from the EXPN function); only 
the name of corresponding AIMS account is relevant.

   Have I got this right?

-- 
Tom Weishaar
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Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 15:58:29 +0000
From: James Berriman <james at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk>
Subject: Re: work lists

Tom Weishaar wrote:

>    * In any case, the names of the .m and .d files aren't relevant to
> the purpose of work lists (to hide lists from the EXPN function); only
> the name of corresponding AIMS account is relevant.
> 
>    Have I got this right?

Yes :-)

The original state of play was that the AIMS accounts were renamed, but 
the actual .m and .d files reflected the name of the list.

Things seem to have become a little confused since ;-). Currently, I've 
no idea about what actually happens!

Must go and run some tests...

( :-])  James

Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 08:56:08 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: work lists

At 09:45 -0600 3/24/97, Tom Weishaar wrote:

>   Have I got this right?

At 15:58 +0000 3/24/97, James Berriman wrote:

>Things seem to have become a little confused since ;-). Currently, I've
>no idea about what actually happens!
>
>Must go and run some tests...

Let me know, if

<http://frutiger.staffs.ac.uk/autoshare/archives/AutoShare-Talk/Archive-24-Mar-1
997.html#[44]>

is wrong. Basically, I said that

>Both the work list files and the envelope recipient are converted to the
>work list name, which means that both the account name and path in AIMS
>must be configured accordingly.

--
Mikael Hansen <mailto:meh at dnai dot com>



From: james at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk (James Berriman)
Subject: work lists
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 23:12:56 +0000

Just to update people, I checked this out today. Here's what I found:

>>Current state of play:
>>
>>Message sent to list.
>>
>>AutoShare logs a message to listname.m in status window (odd, since
>>listname.m no longer exists anywhere!).
>>
>>worklist.m list file is updated.
>>Message goes to worklist.m account.
>>
>>So the path and account name both change.

If anyone set up a list or lists using the 'work list' feature under version 1.1, you should check that your AIMS accounts are actually pointing at the correct filenames (i.e. worklist.m rather than listname.m).

Otherwise, AIMS will be sending messages to out-of-date .m and.d lists that haven't changed since you upgraded to 1.2.

( :-])  James



From: james at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk (James Berriman)
Subject: The admin
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 23:13:17 +0000

I downloaded the complete admin and tried it from a remote machine.

I had all the 'Where is AutoShare.68k?' problems reported by others. Every=
 new operation caused a string of 'where is?' dialogs. It appears that=
 FaceSpan needs to read the application's aete resource whenever it performs=
 a different script, but it keeps forgetting where to look.

All my problems went away when I placed a copy of AutoShare.ppc in the same=
 folder as the Admin and renamed it AutoShare.68k.

I'm not sure whether it was the renaming or placing the application in the=
 same folder that did the trick ;-)

( :-])  James



Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 19:50:13 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: AutoShare 1.2 post-release notes

Hi all

Please find the AutoShare 1.2 post-release notes page at

  <http://www.dnai.com/~meh/autoshare/postrelease/>

A link has also been added to the main AutoShare home page.

And to the ones of you who just can't get enough, please see

  <http://www.wrldpwr.com/contentserver/servertips.html>

which talks about Tips for Running a Stable Server.

Now, back to the Academy Awards...

--
Mikael Hansen <mailto:meh at dnai.com> <http://www.dnai dot com/~meh/autoshare/>



Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 07:49:00 -0500
From: wsuarez at digprod dot com (Bill Suarez)
Subject: Re: The admin

James,

I think the fact that Admin finds the local copy in the same folder is what
makes the difference.

I tried a similiar experiment here and got the same results.

Bill Suarez
_______________________________________________________________________________
Subject: The admin
From:    autoshare-talk at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk at Internet
Date:    3/24/97  11:13 PM

I downloaded the complete admin and tried it from a remote machine.

I had all the 'Where is AutoShare.68k?' problems reported by others. Every new
operation caused a string of 'where is?' dialogs. It appears that FaceSpan needs
to read the application's aete resource whenever it performs a different script,
but it keeps forgetting where to look.

All my problems went away when I placed a copy of AutoShare.ppc in the same
folder as the Admin and renamed it AutoShare.68k.

I'm not sure whether it was the renaming or placing the application in the same
folder that did the trick ;-)

( :-])  James


**  The AutoShare-Talk archives are at:
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Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 07:35:49 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: The admin

At 07:49 -0500 3/25/97, Bill Suarez wrote:

>I think the fact that Admin finds the local copy in the same folder is
>what makes the difference.

Interesting indeed. I wonder if any of the following matter at all:

1. local versus remote
2. .ppc versus .68k AutoShare file name
3. .ppc versus .68k application
4. standard versus complete Admin

--
Mikael Hansen <mailto:meh at dnai dot com>



Date: 25 Mar 97 13:13:41 -0500
Subject: Automated Web Archives
From: Listserv.Admin at Hound.Rollins dot Edu

Hello,

	I am having trouble with AutoShare's automated web achives. Are archives
automatically created as soon as a message is processed? I place a valid
path in the Web Path box and no archive is created when a message is
processed. Am I doing something wrong? Below is the path...

Internet Server:Auto:Web Entry:

My Autoshare account is called Testing-L

Do I need a folder called Testing-L in the path called Web Entry?

Thanks

Darren A. Lai







Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 12:26:36 -0800
From: Steve van Mossel <stevev at weq.gov.bc dot ca>
Subject: Posting the lists to a web site

I am looking for a way to post the list of current recipients /per list to
a web site which runs from a separate box than AIMS/AutoShare.

I run several distribution lists on the AIMS server, and sometimes users
need to know who is on the various lists. Is there a way which WebStar can
point to the list files which AIMs and/or AutoShare uses, which reside on a
separate machine? Or... is there a way to have AutoShare or AIMS post the
list recipients onto the box which is acting as the web server?

Any assistance would be appreciated.

Cheers,
steve

---------------------------------------------------------
 Steve van Mossel                       Network Analyst
 Ministry of Women's Equality        (250) 953-3431

<mailto:stevev at weq.gov.bc dot ca>
<http://www.weq.gov.bc.ca/>

---------------------------------------------------------



Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 12:45:45 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Automated Web Archives

At 13:13 -0500 3/25/97, Listserv.Admin at Hound.Rollins dot Edu wrote:

>I am having trouble with AutoShare's automated web achives. Are archives
>automatically created as soon as a message is processed? I place a valid
>path in the Web Path box and no archive is created when a message is
>processed. Am I doing something wrong? Below is the path...

I just thought of something. The Format option in Miscellaneous in
AutoShare must be set to HTML. The default is Text, so perhaps it isn't?

--
Mikael Hansen <mailto:meh at dnai.com> <http://www.dnai dot com/~meh/autoshare/>



Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 12:59:15 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Posting the lists to a web site

At 12:26 -0800 3/25/97, Steve van Mossel wrote:

>I am looking for a way to post the list of current recipients /per list to
>a web site which runs from a separate box than AIMS/AutoShare.
>
>I run several distribution lists on the AIMS server, and sometimes users
>need to know who is on the various lists. Is there a way which WebStar can
>point to the list files which AIMs and/or AutoShare uses, which reside on a
>separate machine? Or... is there a way to have AutoShare or AIMS post the
>list recipients onto the box which is acting as the web server?

An AppleScript can probably be written, which copies main list files from
one Mac to another whenever an update has taken place. If the script is
good, it may also be able to reformat the new file nicely.

You may want to look on Info-Mac in the file utilities area.

--
Mikael Hansen <mailto:meh at dnai dot com>



Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 13:02:47 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Confirmation requests

Looks like James is having fun :-)

--
Mikael Hansen <mailto:meh at dnai.com> <http://www.dnai dot com/~meh/autoshare/>



Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 13:03:44 +0000
From: James Berriman <james at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk>
Subject: The admin

I suspect that the admin still has a hard-coded reference to 
'AutoShare.68k' hidden away somewhere.

I copied the aete resource from AutoShare, saved it in a new ResEdit 
file and called the new file 'AutoShare.68k'. When placed in the same 
folder as the admin, those annoying dialogs go away :-)

This has the advantage that the size of the resource file is just 9182 
bytes. You don't need a local copy of the AutoShare application.

( :-])  James

Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 13:32:23 +0000
From: james at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk (James Berriman)
Subject: Mozilla and confirmation requests

Mozilla adds some stuff (attribution, etc) to the start of a message when
you reply to a confirmation message. Like so:

autoshare-talk at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk wrote:
>
> af5ed0c1

It would be nice if AutoShare recognised this as a valid confirmation.

( :-])  James



Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 08:42:08 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: The admin

At 13:03 +0000 3/26/97, James Berriman wrote:

>I suspect that the admin still has a hard-coded reference to
>'AutoShare.68k' hidden away somewhere.

Oh, it does. And it always will.

>This has the advantage that the size of the resource file is just 9182
>bytes. You don't need a local copy of the AutoShare application.

Indeed, as the remote Admin merely needs a local AE dictionary.

I'm not going to take the fun away by telling you the whole story, but
here's an AppleScript hint: nested tells :-)

--
Mikael Hansen <mailto:meh at dnai dot com>



Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 08:48:55 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Mozilla and confirmation requests

At 13:32 +0000 3/26/97, James Berriman wrote:

>Mozilla adds some stuff (attribution, etc) to the start of a message when
>you reply to a confirmation message. Like so:
>
>autoshare-talk@frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk wrote:
>>
>> af5ed0c1
>
>It would be nice if AutoShare recognised this as a valid confirmation.

If Netscape adds *non*-optional stuff to the beginning of the body, then
Netscape is a bad boy! For now, the user merely has to delete those
beginning body lines (per the instructions!), so that the confirmation
keyword line is the first.

--
Mikael Hansen <mailto:meh at dnai dot com>



Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 17:47:59 +0000
From: James Berriman <james at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk>
Subject: Re: The admin

Mikael Hansen wrote:

> >This has the advantage that the size of the resource file is just 9182
> >bytes. You don't need a local copy of the AutoShare application.
> 
> Indeed, as the remote Admin merely needs a local AE dictionary.

Here's an amusing trick for the daring ResEdit users amongst you.

1. Copy the aete resource from an AutoShare application.
2. Paste it into a copy of the full Admin.
3. Rename the full admin "AutoShare.68k".

Bingo! One self-contained remote admin. It looks inside itself for the
AE dictionary.

> I'm not going to take the fun away by telling you the whole story, but
> here's an AppleScript hint: nested tells :-)

Aw, don't tease!

BTW, I noticed that the Admin scripts the local finder to perform the
docs... and filters... functions in the configuration menu. So you have
to have the server volume mounted for those particular functions to
work. Is this documented?

( :-])  James

Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 17:58:30 +0000
From: James Berriman <james at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk>
Subject: Re: The admin

Mikael Hansen wrote:
> I'm not going to take the fun away by telling you the whole story, but
> here's an AppleScript hint: nested tells :-)

One tell to compile with the local AE dictionary, one to actually run
the script on the remote machine?

So could the compile step of your nested tell refer to the Admin itself,
which would have a copy of the AE dictionary inside it? Thus removing
the need for a local copy of AutoShare?

The last time I tried to follow a discussion of nested tells on
MACSCRPT, all my hair fell out :-(

( :-])  James

Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 11:58:42 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: The admin

At 17:47 +0000 3/26/97, James Berriman wrote:

>Bingo! One self-contained remote admin. It looks inside itself for the
>AE dictionary.

FaceSpan 2.1 actually offers me to do just that ;-) But I declined the
offer in both 1.1 and 1.2 due to dependencies and discrepancies arising
from the situation where I would mail someone a non-public AutoShare test
application, but not an Admin (as the two dictionaries may differ). This is
also the reason why I haven't gone along with the dictionary only file,
which I also considered for both 1.1 and 1.2. I may change my mind for the
next version though :-)

>BTW, I noticed that the Admin scripts the local finder to perform the
>docs... and filters... functions in the configuration menu. So you have
>to have the server volume mounted for those particular functions to
>work. Is this documented?

Everything is meant to point to the Mac, which runs AutoShare.

At 17:58 +0000 3/26/97, James Berriman wrote:

>Mikael Hansen wrote:
>> I'm not going to take the fun away by telling you the whole story, but
>> here's an AppleScript hint: nested tells :-)
>
>One tell to compile with the local AE dictionary, one to actually run
>the script on the remote machine?

Correct. And this is important: the outer tell for the dictionary, the
inner tell for the running application. This is a rather intricate thing
for remote AppleScripting.

>The last time I tried to follow a discussion of nested tells on
>MACSCRPT, all my hair fell out :-(

I can believe that!

One more thing, and more basic: if I write a local script with a single
tell block hard-coded to "AutoShare.ppc", and you then start it up on a 68K
Mac running AutoShare, the "hard-coded" reference will automagically change
to "AutoShare.68K" on the fly. A nice touch, but also good to keep in mind.

I trust that this applies to the outer tell in a remote environment, but
I'm not quite sure that it always does...

--
Mikael Hansen <mailto:meh at dnai dot com>



Subject: Mime QP and Web pages
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 97 16:13:10 +0100
From: Christophe Lhomme <Christophe.Lhomme at ansf.alcatel dot fr>

I still have some problems with accents...

My users may post to the list with or without the "quoted printable" =
encoding, depending whether they use accents or not.
In both cases the messages sent by the list are correctly received =
with the correct QP option.
But, as I recently told Mikael Hansen recently the digests received =
trough a "get" don=B9t have the QP flag in their header besides the =
QP flag set in the Autoshare preferences. He replied me it could be =
done for the 1.3 release.

I tried the web feature and made it work after setting the Format =
option to HTML as M. Hansen replied to somebody. The web archive =
works fine ... but not for the accents : they are still coded in QP =
and appear as (for example) =3DE9 which make them unreadable !

I think that it should be as following :
- when a message is received by AS it is archived without =
modification (as done today by the 1.2)
- when someone asks for an archive file by sending a "get", the =
response header is encoded according to the MIME option (plain text =
or quoted printable)
- as the digest is produced it is added to the web page with a =
transcoded from quoted printable to HTML.

I am afraid that it is not very clear so I will answer to any =
question you may ask !

TIA

Christophe Lhomme
Alcatel Postal Automation Systems
Christophe.Lhomme at ansf.alcatel dot fr


Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 09:10:38 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Mime QP and Web pages

At 16:13 +0100 3/27/97, Christophe Lhomme wrote:

>I think that it should be as following :

>- when a message is received by AS it is archived without modification
>(as done today by the 1.2)

That would be the easy part :-)

>- when someone asks for an archive file by sending a "get", the response
>header is encoded according to the MIME option (plain text or quoted
>printable)

The question here is: for server mail originated by the client, does the
client or the server decide whether it should QP-encoded or not? In 1.2,
both the client and the server must agree that QP is desired.

If the client's original message does not contain a QP header, although if
1.2 is set to QP, no Mac-to-MIME character conversion is performed. If the
1.2 server is not configured to QP, although the client message includes a
QP header, no Mac-to-MIME character conversion is performed.

If I remember correctly, you would like to set an option in AutoShare,
which does not consider the RFC header of the client mail. If AutoShare is
to QP, the client would then always get QP-encoded. I am still considering
this.

Mail originated by the server itself relies exclusively on the QP setting.

>- as the digest is produced it is added to the web page with a transcoded
>from quoted printable to HTML.

While the HTML character set may be based on the ISO-8859-1 QP character
set used by MIME QP, it differs somewhat character-wise and is most
distinctly perceived in the actual codes used. MIME uses an equal sign
followed by two hexadecimal digits. HTML uses an ampersand plus either a
descriptive word or a pound sign followed by a decimal number.

This is something I would like to implement.

--
Mikael Hansen <mailto:meh at dnai dot com>



Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 13:47:33 -0800
From: Dave Carlton <davec at apple dot com>
Subject: AS 1.2 No Workee

Help< I have read the instructions and set up what seems to be reasonable
but no joy. Everything seems to work except I don't get any mail back from
the list. I can see the text in the current and digest files but nothing
ever gets sent to the subscriber (me).

ANy help?



Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 07:19:12 -0500
From: wsuarez at digprod dot com (Bill Suarez)
Subject: Re: AS 1.2 No Workee

How did you set the Acknowledgement flag, in the list your are posting too, for
you subscription entry? If you left it unchecked then you won't get a copy of
anything that you posted. Try checking that box for your address and then
posting another entry to the list.

Bill Suarez
DPI
_______________________________________________________________________________
Subject: AS 1.2 No Workee
From:    autoshare-talk at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk at Internet
Date:    3/28/97  1:47 PM

Help< I have read the instructions and set up what seems to be reasonable
but no joy. Everything seems to work except I don't get any mail back from
the list. I can see the text in the current and digest files but nothing
ever gets sent to the subscriber (me).

ANy help?



**  The AutoShare-Talk archives are at:
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Date: 31 Mar 1997 16:07:04 U
From: "Chuck Boody" <chuck_boody at hopkins.k12.mn dot us>
Subject: Re: Bug Autoshare bounce???

Hope you folks can help.  See the message at the end of this note.

Though bounce seems to work ok most of the time I am getting the message below
back.  I am not sure why.  Some possibilities:  1)  Note the truncated RFC to.
 It should read "webdudes@stumail.hopkins.k12.mn dot us" That might be why the
bounce doesn't see it.  2) All of our folks are at your_name at hopkins.k12.mn dot us
but the StarNine gateway is returning
"elaine_hove.mb#u#mail@hopkins.k12.mn dot us" which includes her QM mailcenter. 
So, even if the RFC were not truncated I'm not sure that she would be properly
removed by the bounce.  Any "fixes" for this problem included within
Autoshare??

I'll also check the Starnine folks to see if I can get the address to drop the
extra stuff.

Thanks for the help.

Chuck Boody
Analyst programmer Isd #270
(and a proud user of AutoShare and "Mailshare" since the early betas a looong
time ago!)

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I agree with Chuck about the caution in using software that is
still in beta and because of the fact it only supports one browser we would be
providing access to a limited audience (even tho
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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 21:09:02 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Bug Autoshare bounce???

At 16:07 +0000 3/31/97, Chuck Boody wrote:

>Some possibilities:  1)  Note the truncated RFC to. It should read
>"webdudes@stumail.hopkins.k12.mn dot us" That might be why the bounce doesn't
>see it.

AutoShare doesn't change the RFC To field in list contributions and is
therefore not responsible for the truncated address. It may (or may not,
I'm guessing) be a hint that the address has been truncated to about 31
characters, which happens to be the maximum length of a file name in Finder.

AutoShare however leaves the quotes as part of the address, which is a
(fixed) bug, as the list name would then be extracted as '"webdudes' and as
such not be recognized as a valid list name.

Actually, AutoShare should really be looking for the address enclosed in
<>'s, not the one in ""'s, as characters within the quotes are comments
only (that has been fixed too).

Assuming this, AutoShare would have recognized 'webdudes' as a list.

2) [...]
>So, even if the RFC were not truncated I'm not sure that she would be
>properly removed by the bounce.

Once we have located a valid list, we move onto the subscriber and look her
up in the list file. The susbcriber address however is a blank string, as
AutoShare does not recognize the format of the bounced message in question
and therefore could not locate the subscriber's address.

>    -------------- Special condition follows --------------
>Unknown QuickMail recipient(s):
>    elaine_hove.mb#u#mail at hopkins.k12.mn dot us

Even if the format was supported, the address found would include her QM
mailcenter as you pointed out, and since the list address most likely does
not (I'm not sure though), no match would be found when searching the list.
If there's a non-AutoShare problem, this would appear to be it.

>Any "fixes" for this problem included within Autoshare??

Not much, I'm afraid. From time to time, I think of automating some sort of
an alias file for subscribers, mostly aimed at those (relatively few)
(un)subscribe cases where the RFC From differs from envelope sender. I
don't think it will help the situation in question though.

Just for the fun of it, could you set up a new 'Save as files' dummy@
account in AIMS pointing to a new and separate folder and then have a QM
user send a mail to that AIMS account? And when the message file arrives in
this new folder, could you then StuffIt the file and send it to me by
personal e-mail? Thanks.

>(and a proud user of AutoShare and "Mailshare" since the early betas
>a looong time ago!)

Yeah! :-)

--
Mikael Hansen <mailto:meh at dnai.com> <http://www.dnai dot com/~meh/autoshare/>



Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 21:15:05 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: MacWeek

  <http://www.macweek.com/mw_1113/gw_net_traffic.html>

--
Mikael Hansen <mailto:meh at dnai dot com>



Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 10:40:55 -0600
From: dmoko at semeru.nusantara dot net (Moko Darjatmoko)
Subject: Mail Back on version 1.2

Does anyone has successfully make this new Mail Back feature works?

I setup an account and pointed the Save as Files to the Mail Back
folder (instead of Filed Mail folder) as per Addendum, but nothing
happened. Apparently the mail was still in the Mail Back folder and
never got moved to the Hold Mail folder. I had no luck either with
the Autoshare account.

Upon examining the AutoShare Analysis, I found ERROR on related
folders as follows ...

    Mail Back folder:

    ERROR: no trailing colon

    Hold Mail folder:

    ERROR: no trailing colon

    Bounce folder:

    ERROR: no trailing colon


Did I do something wrong in the setup/configuring the Autoshare?


Moko/



Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 18:13:36 +0100
From: James Berriman <james at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk>
Subject: Re: Mail Back on version 1.2

>Does anyone has successfully make this new Mail Back feature works?
>
>I setup an account and pointed the Save as Files to the Mail Back
>folder (instead of Filed Mail folder) as per Addendum, but nothing
>happened. Apparently the mail was still in the Mail Back folder and
>never got moved to the Hold Mail folder. I had no luck either with
>the Autoshare account.
>
>Upon examining the AutoShare Analysis, I found ERROR on related
>folders as follows ...
>
>    Mail Back folder:
>
>    ERROR: no trailing colon
>
>    Hold Mail folder:
>
>    ERROR: no trailing colon
>
>    Bounce folder:
>
>    ERROR: no trailing colon
>
>
>Did I do something wrong in the setup/configuring the Autoshare?

Bill Catambay just reported the same thing. You have to set up your folder
paths for these three folders, either using the Admin application or by
direct scripting commands. It's under More folders... in the preferences
menu of the Admin.

( :-])  James



Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 14:03:08 -0600
From: dmoko at semeru.nusantara dot net (Moko Darjatmoko)
Subject: Re: Mail Back on version 1.2

At 6:13 PM 4/1/97, James Berriman wrote:

|>Does anyone has successfully make this new Mail Back feature works?
...
|>Did I do something wrong in the setup/configuring the Autoshare?
|
|Bill Catambay just reported the same thing. You have to set up your folder
|paths for these three folders, either using the Admin application or by
|direct scripting commands. It's under More folders... in the preferences
|menu of the Admin.

Unfortunately, the Admin never works on my system (something like ..
Facespan not loading or too old) and my scripting is a little bit
rusty. However your tips give me an idea of using ResEd to add the
proper STR# 203,7 ; STR# 203,7 and STR# 203,7 with the respective
pointers. The mailback feature is working like a charm now. Thank
you, James.

Moko/



Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 12:58:03 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Mail Back on version 1.2

At 14:03 -0600 4/1/97, Moko Darjatmoko wrote:

>Unfortunately, the Admin never works on my system (something like ..
>Facespan not loading or too old) and my scripting is a little bit
>rusty.

There are some Admin tips at

  <http://www.dnai.com/~meh/autoshare/postrelease/>

However your tips give me an idea of using ResEd to add the
>proper STR# 203,7 ; STR# 203,7 and STR# 203,7 with the respective
>pointers. The mailback feature is working like a charm now. Thank
>you, James.

Yes, STR# 203,7-9 hold the mail-back, hold mail and bounce folders.

The AppleScript version is

tell application "AutoShare.68k" -- or .ppc
  SetFolders Folder options {Mail Back: "path", Hold Mail: "path", Bounce:
"path"}
end tell

--
Mikael Hansen <mailto:meh at dnai dot com>



From: Roger_Booth at pubshop.demon.co dot uk
Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 16:28:09 GMT
Subject: Autoreply to different address

I don't know why this is happening but with one or two users my autoshare
system sends the autoreply to the wrong address (which just bounces back).


For example an autoreply is sent to

uvalle!chrlehnh at uunet.uu dot net


Although the "From" field is clearly...

From: chrlehnh at uvalle.edu dot gt


When this person sends email directly to my email system.


I don't get all the headers displayed on my system but I wonder if this is
enough to go on?




Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 19:01:39 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: AutoShare acquired by Carlsberg

Well folks, all good things must come to an end. AutoShare has been
acquired by Carlsberg A/S <http://www.carlsberg.com/>, a Danish brewery
making "probably the best beer in town".

The Group comprises the Parent Company - the Carlsberg Breweries
<http://www.carlsberg.dk/> founded in 1847 and Tuborg Breweries
<http://www.tuborg.dk/> founded in 1873 - and about 100 subsidiaries and
associated companies, the majority of which are situated outside Denmark.
The Group has a workforce of approximately 18.500 employees, if all
associated companies are included, and it sells its products in about 150
markets.

While it is a sad task to put the freeware AutoShare, the many loyal
AutoShare users and the beautiful city of San Francisco behind me, I look
forward to working on an upcoming AutoShare Pro, which is primarily aimed
at servicing announcement lists and auto-responses for the various
locations of Carlsberg world-wide, including the Carlsberg Foundation
(established by Carlsberg's founder, brewer J.C. Jacobsen), the
Frederiksborg Museum of National History, the Carlsberg Laboratory, the New
Carlsberg Foundation, New Carlsberg Glyptothek and the Tuborg Foundation.
Some of these locations will furthermore put AutoShare to full use locally,
as Carlsberg's need for both internal and external services in the areas of
discussion lists, auto-responses and vacation notices is likely to boom in
the near future.

Little can be revealed at this time, but AutoShare Pro will include a
WebSTAR plug-in for administrators, speed up processing of enclosures by a
factor ten, add support for many more bounce formats and much more.
Carlsberg may or may not choose to make AutoShare Pro commercially
available, but for now, they are happy with the acquisition of the robust
list server software made by a fellow Dane. I for one shall fight for the
future of an AutoShare Lite version, although few promises can be made by a
person being offered complimentary Carlsberg beers...

Cheers!

--
<mailto:meh at dnai.com> <http://www.dnai dot com/~meh/autoshare/> Norm Peterson:

"It's a dog eat dog world out there, and I'm wearing milkbone underwear."



Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 22:50:45 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Autoreply to different address

At 16:28 +0000 4/1/97, Roger_Booth at pubshop.demon.co dot uk wrote:

>I don't know why this is happening but with one or two users my autoshare
>system sends the autoreply to the wrong address (which just bounces back).
>
>For example an autoreply is sent to
>uvalle!chrlehnh@uunet.uu dot net
>
>Although the "From" field is clearly...
>From: chrlehnh at uvalle.edu dot gt
>
>When this person sends email directly to my email system.
>
>I don't get all the headers displayed on my system but I wonder if this
>is enough to go on?

It sure is. The key factor is not the original RFC From field, but the
hidden envelope sender. The latter is also referred to as the *real* e-mail
address of the person that the e-mail is from.

If the RFC From lists chrlehnh at uvalle.edu dot gt and at the same time the
envelope sender of the same e-mail is uvalle!chrlehnh at uunet.uu dot net, then it
looks like the 'Return address:' in 'Personal Information' in Eudora's
Settings is different from the e-mail address otherwise used in the Eudora
Settings (may be worded differently, if another client software is used).

The above return address should be a valid Internet address, so you may
want to contact the person in question.

--
Mikael Hansen <mailto:meh at dnai.com> <http://www.dnai dot com/~meh/autoshare/>



Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 13:59:26 +0100
From: james at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk (James Berriman)
Subject: Re: Autoreply to different address

At 17:28 1/4/97, Roger_Booth at pubshop.demon.co dot uk wrote:
>I don't know why this is happening but with one or two users my autoshare
>system sends the autoreply to the wrong address (which just bounces back).
>
>
>For example an autoreply is sent to
>
>uvalle!chrlehnh@uunet.uu dot net
>
>
>Although the "From" field is clearly...
>
>From: chrlehnh at uvalle.edu dot gt

Roger, I note that you posted your question via a First Class SMTP/NNTP
gateway. It's possible that the user's return path (envelope address) is
being garbled somehow, either by your system or by some intermediate mail
transport agent.

The envelope address should always be a valid mailbox, so AutoShare is
simply drawing attention to a fault elsewhere.

I'd suggest you set up a test account to save as files, then get the users
to mail that account. Then you can open the message files and inspect the
headers for clues.

If you have ResEdit handy, AIMS stores the envelope sender in STR  8192.

( :-])  James



Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 13:59:37 +0100
From: james at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk (James Berriman)
Subject: Re: AutoShare acquired by Carlsberg

At 04:01 2/4/97, Mikael Hansen wrote:
>Well folks, all good things must come to an end. AutoShare has been
>acquired by Carlsberg A/S <http://www.carlsberg.com/>, a Danish brewery
>making "probably the best beer in town".


In the UK, it's known more modestly as "probably the best Lager in the world".

( :-])  James



Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 16:13:10 +0100
From: james at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk (James Berriman)
Subject: List of AutoShare servers

In response to a few requests recently, I've put up a page at
http://frutiger.staffs.ac.uk/autoshare/serverlist.html.

You can add details of your own AutoShare server to the page.

( :-])  James



Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 16:13:40 +0100
From: james at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk (James Berriman)
Subject: Forms by mail

If your web browser supports mailto: forms, you can update your
AutoShare-Talk subscription details at:

<http://frutiger.staffs.ac.uk/autoshare/autoshare-talk/form.html>

Anyone care to test it?

( :-])  James



Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 10:35:16 -0500
From: wsuarez at digprod dot com (Bill Suarez)
Subject: Re: Forms by mail

     James,
     
     I'd say it works.....
     
     -----------
     
     Your status update has been received pertaining to the following list:
     
     AutoShare-Talk
     Ack was already turned on for your subscription Process time was 13.15 
     seconds
     
     Your original message is found below.
     
     ---
     Mime-Version: 1.0
     Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" 
     Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: 
     autoshare at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk
     From: wsuarez at digprod dot com ()
     Subject: (no subject)
     Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 16:27:02 +0100
     
     set AutoShare-Talk ack
     
     ---
     This message has been returned to you by AutoShare, An Apple Internet 
     Mail Server utility
     


______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: Forms by mail
Author:  autoshare-talk at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk at Internet
Date:    4/2/97 4:13 PM


If your web browser supports mailto: forms, you can update your 
AutoShare-Talk subscription details at:
     
<http://frutiger.staffs.ac.uk/autoshare/autoshare-talk/form.html>
     
Anyone care to test it?
     
( :-])  James
     
     
     
**  The AutoShare-Talk archives are at:
**  <http://frutiger.staffs.ac.uk/autoshare/archives/AutoShare-Talk/>

Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 08:22:26 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: List of AutoShare servers

At 16:13 +0100 4/2/97, James Berriman wrote:

>In response to a few requests recently, I've put up a page at
>http://frutiger.staffs.ac.uk/autoshare/serverlist.html.

I have received some requests as well, so this is wonderful!

--
Mikael Hansen <mailto:meh at dnai dot com>



Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 08:22:06 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Forms by mail

At 10:35 -0500 4/2/97, Bill Suarez wrote:

>     James,
>
>     I'd say it works.....

It sure does (and doesn't require the presence of a web server!).

--
Mikael Hansen <mailto:meh at dnai dot com>



Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 08:18:43 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: AutoShare acquired by Carlsberg

At 13:59 +0100 4/2/97, James Berriman wrote:

>>making "probably the best beer in town".
>
>In the UK, it's known more modestly as "probably the best Lager in the world".

I may have quoted the slogan somewhat freely (I enjoy max 2 beers a year,
and one of them is sometimes consumed on April Fools Day!).

--
Mikael Hansen <mailto:meh at dnai dot com>



Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 15:33:55 -0800
From: Bill Catambay <admin at clavin.lmsc.lockheed dot com>
Subject: Re: Mail Back on version 1.2

>Subject: Re: Mail Back on version 1.2
>
>At 6:13 PM 4/1/97, James Berriman wrote:
>
>|>Does anyone has successfully make this new Mail Back feature works?
>...
>|>Did I do something wrong in the setup/configuring the Autoshare?
>|
>|Bill Catambay just reported the same thing. You have to set up your folder
>|paths for these three folders, either using the Admin application or by
>|direct scripting commands. It's under More folders... in the preferences
>|menu of the Admin.
>
>Unfortunately, the Admin never works on my system (something like ..
>Facespan not loading or too old) and my scripting is a little bit
>rusty. However your tips give me an idea of using ResEd to add the
>proper STR# 203,7 ; STR# 203,7 and STR# 203,7 with the respective
>pointers. The mailback feature is working like a charm now. Thank
>you, James.
>
>Moko/
>
>

Admin never works on my system either.  First I had Facespan in the same
folder as Admin, and it asked me to look for it, and after selecting it, it
still quit with an error.  I then moved Facespan to the extensions folder,
restarted, tried Admin again, and this time it just quit with an error
about "script component would not open".  What does that mean?

Bill

_____________________________________________________________________
Bill Catambay
Software Developer, Macintosh/VAX Administrator, 5E-35 Webmaster
<http://www.catambay.com/pascal-central>

              />
             //   Excalibur: Morgana's Revenge is released!
     (//////[O]>=========================================-
             \\    <http://www.catambay.com/morgana>
              \>
____________________________________________________________________



Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 17:22:23 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Mail Back on version 1.2

At 15:33 -0800 4/2/97, Bill Catambay wrote:

>Admin never works on my system either.

There are some Admin tips at

  <http://www.dnai.com/~meh/autoshare/postrelease/>

which appear to solve the problems automagically.

This of course assumes that the scripting environment on your Mac is in
good shape. If not (running a simple script, e.g. one from AutoShare
Samples folder, may determine this), re-install the scripting module from
your System diskettes.

--
Mikael Hansen <mailto:meh at dnai dot com>



Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 10:35:52 -0400
From: "Adam J. Gerstein" <adam at tangentdesign dot com>
Subject: Mailing list problems....

Kind people-
	Sorry to bug you, but I'm having a problem with AutoShare. I have it set
up to run two mailing lists. One of them has three of my email addresses on it
(it's basically a test list) and it works fine.
	The other one has five addresses on it (one of which is mine), and it
doesn't work except to put the postings that are mailed to it into the digest.
	I've checked everything with the admin program and both of the lists are
configured the same. I just can't figure out what's going wrong.
	I'm using version 1.1 on a Quadra 900 with System 7.5 or so. I'm waiting
for the auto-responder to email me version 1.2 if anyone thinks it will make a
difference....

adam

---------------------------------------+------------------
Adam Gerstein                          | Macintosh:
TANGENT Design/Communications          | The power to
adam at tangentdesign dot com                 | save the world!
http://www.tangentdesign.com           |           O-
---------------------------------------+------------------



Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 17:33:34 +0100
From: James Berriman <james at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk>
Subject: Re: Mailing list problems....

Adam J. Gerstein wrote:
>         I've checked everything with the admin program and both of the lists are
> configured the same. I just can't figure out what's going wrong.

Is your subscription set to ACK? If not, you won't get a copy of your
posts.

Is it possible that your AIMS accounts for that list are not correctly
configured? That wouldn't show up in the admin.

( :-])  James

Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 09:17:26 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: About freeware and April Fools Day

Hi everyone

As I have received a few nice personal e-mails wishing me good luck in the
future (thanks!), it is hereby stated that the Carlsberg blurb was a hoax.
The basic premise of AutoShare is fun, and as such it will always stay both
freeware and freetime. I can't imagine it being otherwise.

On a somewhat related note, I have also gotten a couple of e-mails about
SmartBounce. This software is a separate application requiring its own
overhead, and as it calls for 650K of memory, which is even more than
AutoShare's lean 576K, it doesn't appeal much to me; AutoShare own bounce
module takes up maybe 10K of the 576K and processes in a speedy fashion.
SmartBounce apparently supports many more bounce formats than AutoShare
does at this time, but as I have already received reports about the initial
AutoShare bounce module achieving a 67-95% hit rate for fully automated
bounces, it feels good (many more formats will increase the rate only
marginally). And while SmartBounce intends to split itself into a
full-featured Pro version and a feature-limited Lite version, you can rest
assured that AutoShare's bounce module will never carry a price tag! Having
fun is what it's about.

--
Mikael Hansen <mailto:meh at dnai dot com> "I'm hip, I'm cool, I'm a happening fool"



Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 09:22:29 -0800
From: Bill Catambay <admin at clavin.lmsc.lockheed dot com>
Subject: One more question.

How do I set the reply-to for the mailing list to point to a different
address than the posting address?  (e.g., I want the replies to go to the
moderator, who, in turn, would post the note to the list)


Thanks again,
Bill

_____________________________________________________________________
Bill Catambay
Software Developer, Macintosh/VAX Administrator, 5E-35 Webmaster
<http://www.catambay.com/pascal-central>

              />
             //   Excalibur: Morgana's Revenge is released!
     (//////[O]>=========================================-
             \\    <http://www.catambay.com/morgana>
              \>
____________________________________________________________________