Date: 12 Mar 98 08:44:15 -0600
From: Chuck Boody <chuck_boody at hopkins.k12.mn dot us>
Subject: Re: Re Autoshare administrator forgetting

Thanks for the correction of what I said.  Now it is through my thick =
skull......I think!

Chuck
=============

Mikael Hansen wrote:
>At 14:47 -0600 11/3/1998, Chuck Boody wrote:
>
>>Just to be sure I understand this:
>>
>>You are saying that if there is a duplicate to the renamed application
>>in the same folder with the renamed application and that duplicate is
>>named "Autoshare" the Administrator will take its dictionary from there
>>and all will be well.  Right?
>
>It's a funny thing about AppleScript, but yes.
>
>PS: I almost pressed the send button, but should correct myself first: in
>the same folder as the *Admin*! Very important :-)
>
>
>
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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 11:46:57 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Bounce Account

At 09:10 -0500 12/3/1998, Richard Klein wrote:

>One thing, though, I took your advice and set up a separate bounce account,
>and configured it in Autoshare according to instructions. I then noticed in
>the EIMS log window that Autoshare was sending messages to about 25
>selected names from various lists.

These are test bounces sent by the built-in automated bounce module when
soft bounces are encountered. The mechanism is described in the AutoShare
documentation under

Running the server
  Running a list server
    Advanced features
      Automated bounces

>the Bounces on Hold file. Where is this file

It is located inside the AutoShare folder inside the System 7 savvy
Preferences folder.



Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 00:46:05 +0100
From: Jan Koudelka <koudelka at appleklub dot cz>
Subject: Long mail vs. manual edit

I am going to move one mailing list from another list server to the one
using AutoShare. I will get a technical review of all (about hundred)
current subscribers. What is better way for subscribing them to the
AutoShare handled list?

I can imagine sending a long mail with hundred subscribe commands, or
creating the list file manually (can this be done successfully without
having to restart AutoShare?). I have to do this action remotely (but
without AppleTalk), so I need a STABLE solution. That means one which sure
will not cause a system or application crash. The list already exists and
is correctly set up.

Thanks for any opinions.

HOnza



Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 23:57:43 +0100
From: Jan Koudelka <koudelka at appleklub dot cz>
Subject: application launch/quit

Hi, another question from me...

I want to ask what will happen, if I use several AppleScript CGIs and try
to trigger one of the remote administration application launching/quitting
commands for the creator 'aplt'. It becomes very big issue if I have for
example 50 different AppleScript applications on your disk, and want to
launch one of them remotely.

Also, if I have two versions of WebSTAR and use AutoShare to keep WebSTAR
up, can I be sure, that the correct version will run if it accidentally
quits?

HOnza



Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 12:35:23 +0000
From: James Berriman <J.R.Berriman at staffs.ac dot uk>
Subject: Re: application launch/quit

At 22:57 12/3/98, Jan Koudelka wrote:
>Hi, another question from me...
>
>I want to ask what will happen, if I use several AppleScript CGIs and try
>to trigger one of the remote administration application launching/quitting
>commands for the creator 'aplt'. It becomes very big issue if I have for
>example 50 different AppleScript applications on your disk, and want to
>launch one of them remotely.

I got round this by changing the creator code of a script. As long as you
choose something unique to your machine, you're OK. If you're actually
going to distribute your CGI's, you could go to Apple's developer web site
and register unique creators for them.


( :-])  James



Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 13:56:37 +0100
From: Jan Koudelka <koudelka at appleklub dot cz>
Subject: Re: application launch/quit

>I got round this by changing the creator code of a script. As long as you
>choose something unique to your machine, you're OK. If you're actually
>going to distribute your CGI's, you could go to Apple's developer web site
>and register unique creators for them.

Yes, Iof course I use this method, but...

Imagine you have ftp server running on the same machine as AutoShare. If
somebody uploads any aplication, how can you be sure that it does not
colide with any existing application which you are keeping up.

HOnza



Subject: accents in subject
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 98 20:04:35 +0000
From: Franck Horlaville <fhlist at online.co dot ma>

Hi !

When someone writes a message with an accent in the subject, the line =
becomes all harbled, e.g.

Subject: Répondez svp !        // that is an 'e' accute

becomes

Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?[aiesi-ca] =
R=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=e9pondez_svp_!?=?=

Is there something somewhere I overlooked ? Thanks !


Franck Horlaville,

Technical Director - Athena Online s.a.
Web site creation and hosting
--
<http://www.athena.online.co.ma>



Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 22:26:40 +0100
From: "Serge Belleudy-d'Espinose" <sam at ijm.jussieu dot fr>
Subject: Re: accents in subject

>When someone writes a message with an accent in the subject, the line
>becomes all harbled, e.g.

Avoid accents in subjects, by any means ! Of course, you can not expect
your users to do the same.

Accents in subjects have allways been processed differently from the body.
I don't know why, but that's the way it is, and there's little Mike can do
about.

# Serge

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 ) @: sam at ijm dot jussieu dot fr        -+-  Institut J. Monod - Tour 43 (
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Subject: Re: accents in subject
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 98 11:39:04 +0000
From: Franck Horlaville <fhlist at online.co dot ma>

Salut Serge !

>>When someone writes a message with an accent in the subject, the line
>>becomes all harbled, e.g.

>Avoid accents in subjects, by any means !

That's what I tell them, but once in a time there is a glitch ...

>Of course, you can not expect your users to do the same.

That's it ...

>Accents in subjects have allways been processed differently from the body.
>I don't know why, but that's the way it is, and there's little Mike can do
>about.

Maybe hi-bit characters in the subject could be replaced by a star before 
processing, or something equivalent ? The result would still be legible.

My two cents ...

F.

Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 09:27:43 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: application launch/quit

At 23:57 +0100 12/3/1998, Jan Koudelka wrote:

>I want to ask what will happen, if I use several AppleScript CGIs and try
>to trigger one of the remote administration application launching/quitting
>commands for the creator 'aplt'. It becomes very big issue if I have for
>example 50 different AppleScript applications on your disk, and want to
>launch one of them remotely.

The following example having a password of rosebud uses remote
administration by e-mail to launch the BBEdit application:

rosebud application a@b launch R*ch

The alternative to specifying the creator (also used with the SetKeepUp
AppleScript command) would be to specify the absolute path of the
application (basically the same as the Cron module, which uses a Finder
alias to the application's location on the disk).

I was at some point thinking of implementing something like: if the creator
parameter is enclosed in quotes, then use it as the application path. The
problem is that a path is often looong. It is difficult to remember when
specifying it. And who knows if the longer line gets reformatted along the
way.

Process extenders by the way are launched based on the path exclusively,
which is why the issue of unique creators is not important there.

At 12:35 +0000 13/3/1998, James Berriman wrote:

>I got round this by changing the creator code of a script. As long as you
>choose something unique to your machine, you're OK. If you're actually
>going to distribute your CGI's, you could go to Apple's developer web site
>and register unique creators for them.

At 13:56 +0100 13/3/1998, Jan Koudelka wrote:

>Yes, Iof course I use this method, but...
>
>Imagine you have ftp server running on the same machine as AutoShare. If
>somebody uploads any aplication, how can you be sure that it does not
>colide with any existing application which you are keeping up.

I trust that "uploads any aplication" doesn't merely mean that the
application is uploaded to disk, but also that it is subsequently launched?
The question is also what kind of collision you are talking about. If
running more than one application having the same creator, well that could
happen whenever you don't launch based on the creator.

AutoShare by the way is smart in the sense that when another application
with the Autoshare creator is launched, then it is shut down immediately by
the original AutoShare process. You can almost eat the cake and have it too!

Speaking of ftp servers: NetPresenz supports

quote site a oapp crea - launch application with creator type <crea>

but that's it :-)



Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 13:58:18 -0500
From: Richard Klein <klein at furthermedia dot com>
Subject: Re: Bounce account

Just a minor thing here: I created a separate bounce account, and have it
listed in the Misc prefs under bounce account as bounce at furthermedia dot com. I
also have a listmgr account under list admin. However, when I receive my
daily reports from Autoshare, they come to me from
"bounce@furthermedia dot com' .
Shouldn't these be sent from the list admin address?

No big deal, just wondering.



Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 19:49:20 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Long mail vs. manual edit

At 00:46 +0100 13/3/1998, Jan Koudelka wrote:

>I am going to move one mailing list from another list server to the one
>using AutoShare.

>I have to do this action remotely (but without AppleTalk)

A long mail based on remote administration by e-mail is likely to be the
preferable way of doing it. This of course requires formatting the request
properly, so it looks like manual editing is called for in any event.



Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 22:57:41 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: accents in subject

At 20:04 +0000 13/3/1998, Franck Horlaville wrote:

>When someone writes a message with an accent in the subject, the line
>becomes all harbled, e.g.
>
>Subject: Répondez svp !        // that is an 'e' accute
>
>becomes
>
>Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?[aiesi-ca] R=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=e9pondez_svp_!?=?=
>
>Is there something somewhere I overlooked ? Thanks !

There is easily plenty to be confused about when it comes to MIME, and you
have run into a particularly nasty case here :-)

The issue of equal signs is a story all by itself. Put briefly, ignore the
3D's in your subject example. Once you do that, you'll notice an equal sign
followed by e9, which is an incorrect(?) MIME encoding of the e accute not
done by AutoShare, which would have placed the correct E9 there. Moving
along on the note of lower versus upper case, AutoShare also expects
iso-8859-1 to be in lower case in this context. As a result, the above
subject line has been encoded twice, and the nesting sequence appears to
reveal that the e-mail client used to post the list contribution is the
interesting target of further investigation.

Once you strip away all of that, you'll see a case of MIME encoding applied
correctly. Such subject field encoding has furthermore its own unique
format, which by itself may seem rather strange at first.



Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 23:01:07 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Bounce account

At 13:58 -0500 14/3/1998, Richard Klein wrote:

>Shouldn't these be sent from the list admin address?

The list admin is not the one sending the mail!



Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 09:38:51 -0800
From: "Michael C. Gilbert" <mcg at halcyon dot com>
Subject: Admin error message!?

Probably another newbie questions...

What does it mean then a contiguous set of subscribers give the following
error message when click on within the Admin application:

	An error occurred while executing
	the script of «class LIST»
	"subscribers": Can't get «class
	cNme» of {}. (-1728)

I was looking at the list because I was getting a "you are not subscribed
error" when I knew quite well that I was subscribed....

Thank you for any insight.

-- Michael



Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 11:48:53 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: AutoShare 2.2b3

Version 2.2b3 has been uploaded to

  <ftp://ftp.dnai.com/users/m/meh/AutoShare/Beta/>

Several improvements have been added per requests on this list.

A shutdown alert box will appear prior to a shutdown prompted by the need
for the system time to be reset.

AutoShare has been updated to no longer being case-sensitive in the
situations discussed in my last response on MIME subject fields. Some
testing has revealed that Eudora isn't, so I figured that AutoShare should
be just as nice here.

An address may now be specified after the list name in standard review
requests, so "review Fun-L a@b" is fine and returns the specified
subscriber only. "review Fun-L" works as usual. And all standard options
such as having only the totals shown still work too.



Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 11:59:47 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Admin error message!?

At 09:38 -0800 15/3/1998, Michael C. Gilbert wrote:

>What does it mean then a contiguous set of subscribers give the following
>error message when click on within the Admin application:

Tell us what you clicked on etc :-)



Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 13:25:14 -0800
From: "Michael C. Gilbert" <mcg at halcyon dot com>
Subject: Re: Admin error message!?

At 11:59 AM -0800 3/15/98, Mikael Hansen wrote:


 * At 09:38 -0800 15/3/1998, Michael C. Gilbert wrote:
 *
 * >What does it mean then a contiguous set of subscribers give the followin=
g
 * >error message when click on within the Admin application:
 *
 * Tell us what you clicked on etc :-)

I just upgraded to 2.1 and the problem went away after the program resorted
the list. But for what it's worth:

I selected the mailing list in the left hand of the lists dialog. The
subscribers appear on the right. I can click on most subsribers on the
right with no error message, but a contiguous set of addresses produced the
error I mentioned.

-- Michael




Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 13:46:46 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Admin error message!?

At 13:25 -0800 15/3/1998, Michael C. Gilbert wrote:

>I just upgraded to 2.1 and the problem went away after the program resorted
>the list. But for what it's worth:
>
>I selected the mailing list in the left hand of the lists dialog. The
>subscribers appear on the right. I can click on most subsribers on the
>right with no error message, but a contiguous set of addresses produced
>the error I mentioned.

OK, I get it now. Highlighting more than one address in the subscriber list
box was disabled at some point, I don't remember exactly when.



Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 15:08:39 -0800
From: "Michael C. Gilbert" <mcg at halcyon dot com>
Subject: Re: Admin error message!?

At 1:46 PM -0800 3/15/98, Mikael Hansen wrote:

 * >I just upgraded to 2.1 and the problem went away after the program resor=
ted
 * >the list. But for what it's worth:
 * >
 * >I selected the mailing list in the left hand of the lists dialog. The
 * >subscribers appear on the right. I can click on most subsribers on the
 * >right with no error message, but a contiguous set of addresses produced
 * >the error I mentioned.
 *
 * OK, I get it now. Highlighting more than one address in the subscriber li=
st
 * box was disabled at some point, I don't remember exactly when.

Not quite. I wasn't being clear. I mean that each message (starting
somewhere into the list and then ending a little further on), when clicked
individually, gives me the error message.

This may be academic, since the problem is gone. But perhaps you're
interested. I was wondering if there were a way for the files to get
corrupted.

-- Michael



Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 23:01:11 -0500
From: Jonathan Shaw <jls4 at cwru dot edu>
Subject: Problem with unresolved bounces

Sorry if this has been discussed recently, but I was on break and not able
to concentrate on list postings.

I just upgraded AutoShare from 2.2b1 to 2.2b3. It seems as though some of
the changes to message handling have affected the unresolved bounces. When
I retrieve my mail using Eudora, it complains that there was a message
encoding error and asks if I'd like to try downloading the message from the
server, again. This appears to happen on every bounce I've received (so
far) and not on my other, non-bounce personal messages or AutoShare
postings to lists.

I am using AutoShare 2.2b3 in conjunction with SIMS 1.6. Has anyone else
noticed this oddity?

-Jonathan {;-)
Visit <http://b62968.cwru.edu/> for a good laugh.

There are 3 kinds of people: Those who make things happen, those who watch
things happen and those who wonder what happened.



Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 22:02:10 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Problem with unresolved bounces

At 23:01 -0500 15/3/1998, Jonathan Shaw wrote:

>have affected the unresolved bounces. When I retrieve my mail using
>Eudora, it complains that there was a message encoding error

I tried to reproduce it, but couldn't. Sorry, no errors here.

Any chance of sending me a StuffIt archive with some message files?



Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 10:55:48 +0000
From: James Berriman <J.R.Berriman at staffs.ac dot uk>
Subject: Re: Problem with unresolved bounces

At 06:02 16/3/98, Mikael Hansen wrote:
>At 23:01 -0500 15/3/1998, Jonathan Shaw wrote:
>
>>have affected the unresolved bounces. When I retrieve my mail using
>>Eudora, it complains that there was a message encoding error
>
>I tried to reproduce it, but couldn't. Sorry, no errors here.

I reported this one last week :-)

As far as I can tell, it goes something like this:

When a bounce is returned as a multi-part mime message which includes a text/plain part and a QP encoded message/rfc822 part, it triggers AutoShare's QP encoding.

Eudora then expects the whole message to be QP encoded, and becomes confused when it sees stuff like this (part of the original bounce message included by AutoShare):

Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=_b13231c800b6bde0@frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk"

--=_b13231c800b6bde0 at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Here we have a header and boundary without QP (causing errors in Eudora) followed by a Content-Type: line with QP.

( :-])  James



Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 12:32:29 +0100
From: Jan Koudelka <koudelka at appleklub dot cz>
Subject: Re: application launch/quit

>The alternative to specifying the creator (also used with the SetKeepUp
>AppleScript command) would be to specify the absolute path of the
>application (basically the same as the Cron module, which uses a Finder
>alias to the application's location on the disk).
>
>I was at some point thinking of implementing something like: if the creator
>parameter is enclosed in quotes, then use it as the application path. The
>problem is that a path is often looong. It is difficult to remember when
>specifying it. And who knows if the longer line gets reformatted along the
>way.

It can be easily handled by looking for the closing quotes, and sending
some error message. Or by deleting all line breaks.

>I trust that "uploads any aplication" doesn't merely mean that the
>application is uploaded to disk, but also that it is subsequently launched?
>The question is also what kind of collision you are talking about.

Real example:

I am running EIMS, AutoShare, WebSTAR and Hotline Server on the server
machine. Hotline allows uploading applications as they are. Somebody
uploads a new beta of WebSTAR. Then AutoShare's KeepUp module will launch
it, and system will crash. Since I am not able to go to the server to
restart it, I do not want to get to such situation.

HOnza



Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 12:36:00 +0100
From: Jan Koudelka <koudelka at appleklub dot cz>
Subject: Re: Bounce account

>At 13:58 -0500 14/3/1998, Richard Klein wrote:
>
>>Shouldn't these be sent from the list admin address?
>
>The list admin is not the one sending the mail!
>

May be better solution (more understandable) is to use "robot@domain" as
the bounce account. Thus you will know, that the message was not sent by
any living person.

You can ask, why not to use the sutoshare or listserv account. The answer
is simple. It is a prevence against replying to listserv account.
¨
HOnza



Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 12:20:25 +0100
From: Jan Koudelka <koudelka at appleklub dot cz>
Subject: Re: accents in subject

>At 20:04 +0000 13/3/1998, Franck Horlaville wrote:
>
>>When someone writes a message with an accent in the subject, the line
>>becomes all harbled, e.g.
>>
>>Subject: Répondez svp !        // that is an 'e' accute
>>
>>becomes
>>
>>Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?[aiesi-ca] R=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=e9pondez_svp=
_!?=?=
>>
>>Is there something somewhere I overlooked ? Thanks !

Yes, you overlooked the RFCs discussing e-mail. May be, it is also included
in the Netiquette guidelines. As mailing protocols are defined, only ASCII
characters with codes $20 to $7E may be used in any header, not only
Subject. Some intelligent mailers can handle it (for example Eudora), but
it is still good idea to frequently repeat this information to users.

HOnza




Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 09:44:42 -0500
From: Richard Klein <klein at furthermedia dot com>
Subject: Re: AutoShare-Talk digest 12 Mar 1998

I hope someone can answer me quickly on this one.

We have put up a new website for a client, and on the site is a form for
subscribing to a email newsletter. I have set up a list in Autoshare for
this, and have tested it many times, with the same result: The subscribe
email is properly formatted and is received by Autoshare. The subscriber
receives an email saying he is subscribed. Yet when I go to the Admin and
check the list, the subscriber is not listed. I have checked that all the
email accounts, the folders, the files are present and accounted for.

Can someone give me a clue as to how to troubleshoot this? What is the
likely missing piece if the subscriber gets the return mail but is not
really subscribed?

Please email me directly at klein at furthermedia dot com.

Thanks.

Richard Klein

Director of Internet Services
Further Media, Inc.
Corporate & e-Commerce Web Development
http://www.furthermedia.com




Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 15:00:40 +0000
From: James Berriman <J.R.Berriman at staffs.ac dot uk>
Subject: Re: Problem with unresolved bounces

At 10:55 16/3/98, James Berriman wrote:

>Eudora then expects the whole message to be QP encoded, and becomes
>confused when it sees stuff like this (part of the original bounce message
>included by AutoShare):
>
>Content-Type: multipart/mixed;
>boundary="=_b13231c800b6bde0@frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk"
>
>--=_b13231c800b6bde0 at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>Here we have a header and boundary without QP (causing errors in Eudora)
>followed by a Content-Type: line with QP.

I suspect that this is fixed in 2.2b3.

The boundary looks like an email address, which was confusing AutoShare's
bounce module. 2.2b3 has a fix for the boundary vs email address confusion,
so hopefully the QP problem will go away too.

( :-])  James



Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 07:27:41 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Problem with unresolved bounces

At 10:55 +0000 16/3/1998, James Berriman wrote:

>I reported this one last week :-)

Argh! I somehow didn't think of this one this weekend. Sorry :-)

The best (and simple) solution is probably to quote (using >'s) the
original bounce message inside the unresolved mesage to the listmaster.
AutoShare generally does that when including original messages inside own
messages.



Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 11:02:26 -0500
From: Jonathan Shaw <jls4 at cwru dot edu>
Subject: Re: Problem with unresolved bounces

>At 10:55 16/3/98, James Berriman wrote:
>
>>Eudora then expects the whole message to be QP encoded, and becomes
>>confused when it sees stuff like this (part of the original bounce message
>>included by AutoShare):
>>
>>Content-Type: multipart/mixed;
>>boundary="=_b13231c800b6bde0@frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk"
>>
>>--=_b13231c800b6bde0 at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk
>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>>Here we have a header and boundary without QP (causing errors in Eudora)
>>followed by a Content-Type: line with QP.
>
>I suspect that this is fixed in 2.2b3.

I am using 2.2b3, actually. I was using 2.2b1 before yesterday (I was away
for spring break when 2.2b2 was released). 2.2b1 and earlier never produced
this problem.

-Jonathan {;-)
Visit <http://b62968.cwru.edu/> for a good laugh.

There are 3 kinds of people: Those who make things happen, those who watch
things happen and those who wonder what happened.



Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 11:03:26 -0500
From: Jonathan Shaw <jls4 at cwru dot edu>
Subject: Re: Problem with unresolved bounces

>At 10:55 +0000 16/3/1998, James Berriman wrote:
>
>>I reported this one last week :-)
>
>Argh! I somehow didn't think of this one this weekend. Sorry :-)
>
>The best (and simple) solution is probably to quote (using >'s) the
>original bounce message inside the unresolved mesage to the listmaster.
>AutoShare generally does that when including original messages inside own
>messages.

Sounds like a good plan... If I receive another "corrupted" bounce, I will
stuff it and mail it to you.

-Jonathan {;-)
Visit <http://b62968.cwru.edu/> for a good laugh.

There are 3 kinds of people: Those who make things happen, those who watch
things happen and those who wonder what happened.



Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 19:03:45 +0000
From: james at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk (James Berriman)
Subject: Re: Problem with unresolved bounces

At 15:27 16/3/98, Mikael Hansen wrote:
>At 10:55 +0000 16/3/1998, James Berriman wrote:
>
>>I reported this one last week :-)
>
>Argh! I somehow didn't think of this one this weekend. Sorry :-)
>
>The best (and simple) solution is probably to quote (using >'s) the
>original bounce message inside the unresolved mesage to the listmaster.
>AutoShare generally does that when including original messages inside own
>messages.

Is that better than including the original as a message/822 part? I'd have
thought it would take a fair bit more processing to quote every line of a
bounced digest.

At least I can report that the mime boundary fix is working, even though
those pesky QP errors are still there!

( :-])  James



Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 07:06:16 -0800
From: Mark Hartman <mh at harthaven dot com>
Subject: Lots of subscribers at Juno

I seem to remember that this subject was discussed previously, but I can't
remember how it turned out, nor can I find it in my local archive, so here
goes:

One of our mailing lists has quite a few (66 at last count) subscribers who
are at juno.com, and a great many of these have subscribed in the past two
weeks.  Coincidentally, over the past two weeks I've been getting many
reports
of people not getting their mailing list distribution, and guess what they
all have in common?  Right: Juno.

Although Juno has not yet responded to my question concerning any limits on
how many of their subscribers at a time can receive a given e-mail, I'd like
to see if I can end-run around the problem.  Therefore: Does anyone know if
AutoShare has a way to limit the number of people that a particular e-mail
is directed to in order to avoid such limits?

Regards
Mark Hartman



Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 15:06:24 -0500
From: Richard Klein <klein at furthermedia dot com>
Subject: Autoshare Died!



I hope that somebody can help me, and quickly if possible. I have been
using Autoshare for a while, have 6 lists that we manage on it. Today,
Autoshare has apparently died, and I cannot revive it.

By this I mean, Autoshare has simply stopped processing anything! I have
been testing it by sending messages to the lists. I can see the email go
through EIMS, but the Autoshare Status window shows nothing, and no mail is
sent to list members. I have had others send messages as well.

I have checked all settings, all preferences. All lists look ok. All files
and folders appear to be there. I even replaced my preferences with a
backup, and then replaced Autoshare with another copy, all to no avail. All
accounts in EIMS look ok, and EIMS is handling other mail without a problem.

I cannot think of anything else to do. What could cause this?

Please help! I am beginning to panic.

Richard Klein

Director of Internet Services
Further Media, Inc.
Corporate & e-Commerce Web Development
http://www.furthermedia.com




Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 16:16:04 -0500
From: Richard Klein <klein at furthermedia dot com>
Subject: Autoshare Died! - 2



>I hope that somebody can help me, and quickly if possible. I have been
>using Autoshare for a while, have 6 lists that we manage on it. Today,
>Autoshare has apparently died, and I cannot revive it.

Re my situation with Autoshare dying, I have just re-installed Autoshare
after trashing all the prefs, and it still does not work (I am using the
existing list docs). I have noticed that all the mail since yesterday is
sitting in the EIMS Mail Folder, unsent.

I cannot understand what is happening. Why would the mail just get stalled
like this?

Please help if you can.


Thanks.

Richard Klein

Director of Internet Services
Further Media, Inc.
Corporate & e-Commerce Web Development
http://www.furthermedia.com




Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 13:26:11 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Autoshare Died!

At 15:06 -0500 17/3/1998, Richard Klein wrote:

>Today, Autoshare has apparently died, and I cannot revive it.
>
>By this I mean, Autoshare has simply stopped processing anything!

"Died" is something very different such as a freeze or a crash!

>I can see the email go through EIMS, but the Autoshare Status window
>shows nothing, and no mail is sent to list members.

Do you see any message files arrive in the Filed Mail folder?



Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 13:40:28 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Autoshare Died! - 2

At 16:16 -0500 17/3/1998, Richard Klein wrote:

>I cannot understand what is happening. Why would the mail just get
>stalled like this?

Chances are that EIMS is not sending messages to AutoShare.

I feel confident that it's an EIMS configuration issue.



Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 09:16:52 -0500
From: Richard Klein <klein at furthermedia dot com>
Subject: Re: Autoshare died.


>At 15:06 -0500 17/3/1998, Richard Klein wrote:
>
>>Today, Autoshare has apparently died, and I cannot revive it.
>>
>>By this I mean, Autoshare has simply stopped processing anything!
>
>"Died" is something very different such as a freeze or a crash!
>
>>I can see the email go through EIMS, but the Autoshare Status window
>>shows nothing, and no mail is sent to list members.


>
>Do you see any message files arrive in the Filed Mail folder?
>


No



>
>Chances are that EIMS is not sending messages to AutoShare.
>
>I feel confident that it's an EIMS configuration issue.
>

If so, how can this be determined?  All autoshare accounts are still in
EIMS. Nothing has changed. EIMS is still serving all other mail properly.
Wherw do I begin to look for the problem?

Richard Klein

Director of Internet Services
Further Media, Inc.
Corporate & e-Commerce Web Development
http://www.furthermedia.com




Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 10:14:23 +0000
From: James Berriman <J.R.Berriman at staffs.ac dot uk>
Subject: Re: Autoshare died.

At 14:16 18/3/98, Richard Klein wrote:

>If so, how can this be determined?  All autoshare accounts are still in
>EIMS. Nothing has changed. EIMS is still serving all other mail properly.
>Wherw do I begin to look for the problem?

You mentioned reinstalling AutoShare the other day. Are your folder paths
correct? In particular, are EIMS and AutoShare actually using the same
location for the Filed Mail and Incoming Mail folders?

If EIMS is not reporting errors, it's probably saving files for AutoShare
quite happily, but not in the location you expect.

( :-])  James



Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 13:27:05 +0100
From: Jan Koudelka <koudelka at appleklub dot cz>
Subject: Too many mails per contribution

I was asked by our domain administrator, if it is possible to join at least
every 10 copies of one contribution to one SMTP session. So I am asking: Is
it possible to implement this feature in the AutoShare 2.2?

HOnza



Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 13:26:35 +0100
From: Jan Koudelka <koudelka at appleklub dot cz>
Subject: AutoShare quitting accidentally

AutoShare 2.1 PPC quits accidentally sometimes when I am trying to
configure it through AppleScript commands using Remote Admin CGI. What can
be the problem?

HOnza

P.S. Keep It Up report follows:

17:29 | 17.3.1998 | An application has quit and was relaunched by Keep It Up.
17:29 | 17.3.1998 | Application name:AutoShare
17:35 | 17.3.1998 | An application has quit and was relaunched by Keep It Up.
17:35 | 17.3.1998 | Application name:AutoShare
15:01 | 18.3.1998 | An application has quit and was relaunched by Keep It Up.
15:01 | 18.3.1998 | Application name:AutoShare
15:39 | 18.3.1998 | An application has quit and was relaunched by Keep It Up.
15:39 | 18.3.1998 | Application name:AutoShare
15:55 | 18.3.1998 | An application has quit and was relaunched by Keep It Up.
15:55 | 18.3.1998 | Application name:AutoShare
16:13 | 18.3.1998 | An Application has quit but could not be relaunched by
Keep It Up because of Error -19230
16:13 | 18.3.1998 | Application name:AutoShare
16:13 | 18.3.1998 | Maximum relaunch-number was exceeded.
16:14 | 18.3.1998 | Keep It Up restarted the computer.



Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 13:40:36 +0000
From: James Berriman <J.R.Berriman at staffs.ac dot uk>
Subject: Re: Too many mails per contribution

At 12:27 20/3/98, Jan Koudelka wrote:
>I was asked by our domain administrator, if it is possible to join at least
>every 10 copies of one contribution to one SMTP session. So I am asking: Is
>it possible to implement this feature in the AutoShare 2.2?
>
>HOnza

It looks like you're using EIMS 1.2 as your mail server. EIMS 1.2 opens a
new smtp connection for every recipient.

I suggest you upgrade to EIMS 2, which opens only one outgoing smtp
connection for each domain in your mailing list. It's much more efficient.
Failing that, you could set up EIMS 1.2 to route all outgoing mail via your
ISP's mail server, rather than delivering direct. This would take the load
off EIMS.

( :-])  James



Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 07:29:40 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: AutoShare quitting accidentally

At 13:26 +0100 20/3/1998, Jan Koudelka wrote:

>AutoShare 2.1 PPC quits accidentally sometimes when I am trying to
>configure it through AppleScript commands using Remote Admin CGI.

Can you narrow down which AppleScript command causes this?

Also, does your log indicate any reason why it happens?



Subject: Empty Enclosures from Claris eMailer 2.0
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 98 16:21:45 +0000
From: Jed <jed at psy.herts.ac dot uk>

This one is a complete sod.

The setup is :
Mac 4400/160 running AIMS and autoshare 2.0

I am trying to send a Claris doc as an enclosure to a list group. Every 
time it is sent the recipients of the list group receive an empty file. 
An error in the e-mailer is logged as : 

** The encoded enclosure "fileName.SIT.hqx" could not be decoded 
   because the end of the archive was found prematurely..

and is driving me barmy. I have tried sending the file with all possible 
encodings and suffit combinations to no avail. The enclosed file is sent 
correctly if it is simply aimed at the recipients eMail address, which 
suggests that AIMS is working OK but not when acted upon by autoshare.

Any comments (solutions) gratefully received.



Jed.

'In a world without walls and fences,
 who needs windows and gates?'

phone: +44 (0) 1707.284635
Fax: +44 (0) 1707.285073
mailto://jed at psy.herts.ac dot uk



Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 12:35:31 -0800
From: Camelot Administrator <camelot.admin at lmco dot com>
Subject: Re: Too many mails per contribution

At 1:40 PM +0000 on 3/20/98, James Berriman wrote:


> At 12:27 20/3/98, Jan Koudelka wrote:
> >I was asked by our domain administrator, if it is possible to join at least
> >every 10 copies of one contribution to one SMTP session. So I am asking: Is
> >it possible to implement this feature in the AutoShare 2.2?
> >
> >HOnza
>
> It looks like you're using EIMS 1.2 as your mail server. EIMS 1.2 opens a
> new smtp connection for every recipient.
>
> I suggest you upgrade to EIMS 2, which opens only one outgoing smtp
> connection for each domain in your mailing list. It's much more efficient.
> Failing that, you could set up EIMS 1.2 to route all outgoing mail via your
> ISP's mail server, rather than delivering direct. This would take the load
> off EIMS.
>

Is EIMS 2 the commercial version?

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Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 12:50:10 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Empty Enclosures from Claris eMailer 2.0

At 16:21 +0000 20/3/1998, Jed wrote:

>I am trying to send a Claris doc as an enclosure to a list group. Every
>time it is sent the recipients of the list group receive an empty file.

Try version 2.2b3 at

  <ftp://ftp.dnai.com/users/m/meh/AutoShare/Beta/>

And don't forget to use the Admin included in this archive :-)



Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 22:02:11 +0000
From: james at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk (James Berriman)
Subject: Re: Too many mails per contribution

At 20:35 20/03/98, Camelot Administrator wrote:

>Is EIMS 2 the commercial version?

Yes.

Version 2 is a big step forward.

With 2.1 you will get the ability to import and export the user account
information, and scriptable account creation (makes setting up a mailing
list easier).

It also does single-link multi-homing with OT 1.3. Multiple mail domains
responding on different IP's from the same mac.

( :-])  James



Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 16:41:35 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Too many mails per contribution

At 22:02 +0000 20/3/1998, James Berriman wrote:

>With 2.1 you will get the ability to import and export the user account
>information, and scriptable account creation (makes setting up a mailing
>list easier).

The AutoShare 2.2b3 Admin benefits from the new EIMS 2.1 New User
AppleScript command. If you apply minimal editing (change the domain at the
top of the script) to the sample Script process extender in the AutoShare
2.2b3 archive and then drop it in your Process Extenders folder (next to
your AutoShare server), the necessary EIMS accounts will be created when
creating a new list.



Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 22:14:05 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: AutoShare 2.2b4

Version 2.2b4 has been uploaded to

  <ftp://ftp.dnai.com/users/m/meh/AutoShare/Beta/>

Best to run your logs just before upgrading. See you when I'm back.



Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 12:11:38 +0100
From: Jan Koudelka <koudelka at appleklub dot cz>
Subject: Re: Too many mails per contribution

>At 20:35 20/03/98, Camelot Administrator wrote:
>
>>Is EIMS 2 the commercial version?
>
>Yes.
>
>Version 2 is a big step forward.

Yes it is, BUT...

I use AutoShare, because it is **free**. I use EIMS 1.2, because it is
**free**.

Now, there is another **free** mail server for Mac - Stalker Internet Mail
Server (currently in version 1.6). So I am asking:

Would not it be better to make AutoShare adapted for SIMS at the first
place, and leave all commercial mail servers for the second place?

BTW, Does anybody know, if the SIMS has the same handling of multiple
recipients as EIMS 2.1?

HOnza