Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 00:09:22 -0400
From: mlists <mlists at ppdirect dot com>
Subject: Re: AS 2.4 and Preferences set

>Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:48:55 -0700
>From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
>Subject: Re: AS 2.4
>
>At 19:40 -0400 7/13/98, mlists wrote:
>
>>So I went into the Admin, selected the ALL preference
>
>You're confusing the Admin. *Always* select a given preference set.

When I select the Multi-Preference set DJBATTLE which I setup I then go to
the Host dialog window.  There, it shows the only domain as <djbattle.com>
and nothing else.  So I assume, its been added.  But sending an email to AS
at that domain still generates the same error.  AS even allows me to add
the domain name multiple times.  But even that doesn't get any one of them
to stick in and work.

If you would like to see it and you have Timbuktu, I'd be more than happy
to let you look at it for yourself.  :-)

Best Regards,
Jerry Thompson
MIS Director
PP List Management, Inc.



Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 22:04:54 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: AutoShare-Talk digest 30 Jun 1998

At 15:55 -0800 7/14/98, Donna Parrish wrote:

>I would like to automatically subscribe a LOT of people to a list.

This popular question pops up from time to time, most recently in the
"Adding subscribers manually" thread a week ago.

Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 22:26:30 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: AS 2.4 and Preferences set

At 00:09 -0400 7/15/98, mlists wrote:

>If you would like to see it and you have Timbuktu, I'd be more than happy
>to let you look at it for yourself.  :-)

It just may come down to that :-)

Could you send me a message file from the Filed Mail folder first though,
one that causes the "The recipient address is not valid" error? StuffIt'ed
please.

Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 08:33:27 -0700
From: Camelot Administrator <camelot.admin at lmco dot com>
Subject: Minor Request

Now that the good stuff is all in place for getting welcome messages sent
to new subscribees who are subscribed remotely, there's one small
enhancement I'd like to request.

The welcome message is the same as the FAQ which can be retrieved via the
autoreply.  In order to get the autoreply to work from a web page, we had
to add the /=rfcfrom tag to it.  When the welcome message is sent from the
remote subscribe, however, the /=rfcfrom is not processed (i.e., it's
included in the text as is).

My request: Can we have this tag processed so that it doesn't show up in
the welcome message?  Autoshare doesn't really have to do anything with it
except hide it.

Bill

+----------------------------------------------------------------+
| Bill Catambay, Software Developer, Web Geek                    |
| Lockheed Martin, Enterprise Information Systems, Sunnyvale, CA |
| WORK -> mailto:bill.m.catambay at lmco dot com                        |
| HOME -> mailto:bill at catambay dot com                               |
|                                                                |
| Pascal Central    -> http://www.catambay.com/pascal-central    |
| Macintosh Guild   -> http://www.rahul.net/rrk/lmms/mac         |
+----------------------------------------------------------------+



Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 08:51:13 -0700
From: Camelot Administrator <camelot.admin at lmco dot com>
Subject: Rogue Carriage returns.

I am experiencing a strange problem with welcome messages being sent
out.  The message is stored as a text document, with no hard carriage
returns in it.  When a remote subscribe occurs, Autoshare sends out the
message, but it appears to be inserting hard carriage returns in
inappropriate places.


For example, the original text is:


<paraindent><param>right,left</param>...

to the list and receive mail sent to it, or unsubscribe. One person is

designated as administrator to control the group's membership by

approving subsciption requests.  Only list members may post to the
list.

Postings by members are not controlled or moderated.  


</paraindent>But after Autoshare sends it out, it appears as:


<paraindent><param>right,left</param>...

to the list and receive mail sent to it, or unsubscribe. One person is

designated as administrator to control the group's membership by

approving subsciption requests.  Only list members may post to the
list.

Postings by members are not controlled or mod


erated.     


</paraindent>It appears to be inserting two carriage returns in places
where it should not be inserting any.


Have any idea what is causing this?


Bill

+----------------------------------------------------------------+

| Bill Catambay, Software Developer, Web Geek                    |

| Lockheed Martin, Enterprise Information Systems, Sunnyvale, CA |

| WORK -> mailto:bill.m.catambay at lmco dot com                        |

| HOME -> mailto:bill at catambay dot com                               |

|                                                                |

| Pascal Central    -> http://www.catambay.com/pascal-central    |

| Macintosh Guild   -> http://www.rahul.net/rrk/lmms/mac         |

+----------------------------------------------------------------+



Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 19:02:54 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: AS 2.4 and Preferences set

At 22:26 -0700 7/14/98, I wrote to Jerry:

>Could you send me a message file from the Filed Mail folder first
>though, one that causes the "The recipient address is not valid" error?
>StuffIt'ed please.

Jerry did that quickly, so I tried to reproduce his findings. I first went
into the Admin, selected my 2nd preference set @domain1 (Command-U) and
added djbattle.com as an additional host (Command-H).

I then configured list server commands to go in the subject, as Jerry's
message file indicated so. And also updated the list name to be that of an
existing list (Fun1-L).

The message file was then dropped into the Filed Mail folder of the 2nd
preference set. The processed result is here:

>Mime-Version: 1.0
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>To: Jerry Thompson <jthompson at ppdirect dot com>
>From: autoshare at djbattle dot com
>Errors-To: bounce at djbattle dot com
>Precedence: bulk
>Subject: subscribe Fun1-L Jerry Thompson
>Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 18:49:58 -0700
>List-Software: AutoShare 2.4 by Mikael Hansen
>Message-Id: <218685138357698694093@domain1>
>
>Your subscription has been received pertaining to the following list:
>
>Fun1-L
>Your subscription has been accepted
>You have been subscribed as jthompson at ppdirect dot com
>
>Your original message is found below.
>
>---
>> Return-Path: <jthompson at ppdirect dot com>
>> Received: from [206.1.101.2] by ppdirect.com with ESMTP (Eudora Internet
>>Mail
>>  Server 2.1); Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:01:17 -0500
>> Message-Id: <v04003a01b1d2c8532c21 at [206.1.101 dot 2]>
>> Mime-Version: 1.0
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 16:58:22 -0400
>> To: autoshare at djbattle dot com
>> From: Jerry Thompson <jthompson at ppdirect dot com>
>> Subject: subscribe Fun1-L Jerry Thompson
>>
>>
>>
>
>---
>This message has been returned to you by AutoShare,
>a freeware Macintosh list server and auto-responder.

Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 00:29:06 -0400
From: Ricardo Davis <ricardo at ustaxpayers dot org>
Subject: Upgrade Blues...

Hi all,

We've just upgraded to AS 2.4 with no major problems (see separate e-mail).
We also took the plundge and upgraded from EIMS 1.2b2 to EIMS 2.  No
problems here; the mail server was humming along nicely.  Then we ran into
a small problem when I tried to send an e-mail to an AS list.

EIMS faithfully saved the message, AS processed it.  But the resultant list
message was never sent by EIMS.  This occured for every list set up.  So we
decided to drop back to EIMS 1.2.  After the old mail server started up, it
started processing the list messages!

Did I miss something during the setup of EIMS 2 or AS 2.4?


-Ricardo

--------------------------------------------------------------
                         Ricardo Davis
mailto:ricardo at ustaxpayers.org  *  http://www.ustaxpayers dot org/

1 Samuel 12:14, 24  "If you will fear the LORD and serve Him,
and listen to His voice and not rebel against the command of
the LORD, then both you and also the king who reigns over you
will follow the LORD your God...Only fear the LORD and serve
Him in truth with all your heart; for consider what great
things He has done for you."



Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 22:06:53 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Upgrade Blues...

At 00:29 -0400 7/16/98, Ricardo Davis wrote:

>Did I miss something during the setup of EIMS 2 or AS 2.4?

Chances are that you didn't change the AutoShare configuration of the
Incoming Mail folder to reflect its new location inside the EIMS 2.x
application folder; EIMS 1.x on the other hand keeps the folder inside the
System Folder.

Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 22:31:26 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Rogue Carriage returns.

--============_-1311555396==_ma============
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

At 08:51 -0700 7/15/98, Camelot Administrator wrote:

>But after Autoshare sends it out, it appears as:
>
>...
>to the list and receive mail sent to it, or unsubscribe. One person is
>designated as administrator to control the group's membership by
>approving subsciption requests.  Only list members may post to the list.
>Postings by members are not controlled or mod
>
>erated.
>
>It appears to be inserting two carriage returns in places where it should
>not be inserting any.

Bill, could you send me an unedited copy of the document? Thanks.
--============_-1311555396==_ma============
Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii"

--============_-1311555396==_ma============--

Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 22:36:14 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Minor Request

At 08:33 -0700 7/15/98, Camelot Administrator wrote:

>In order to get the autoreply to work from a web page, we had to add the
>/=rfcfrom tag to it.  When the welcome message is sent from the remote
>subscribe, however, the /=rfcfrom is not processed (i.e., it's included
>in the text as is).

You are better off using two different documents for the two purposes.

Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:44:52 -0700
From: Camelot Administrator <camelot.admin at lmco dot com>
Subject: Re: Minor Request

At 10:36 PM -0700 on 7/15/98, Mikael Hansen wrote:


> At 08:33 -0700 7/15/98, Camelot Administrator wrote:
>
> >In order to get the autoreply to work from a web page, we had to add the
> >/=rfcfrom tag to it.  When the welcome message is sent from the remote
> >subscribe, however, the /=rfcfrom is not processed (i.e., it's included
> >in the text as is).
>
> You are better off using two different documents for the two purposes.
>

The reason I didn't want to do this is because the documents are _long_ and
for multiple lists, and are updated enough to make it a pain to make sure I
update both places (but not frequently enough that I might easily forget I
have two copies; hence, I'll end up updating just one, not the other).

Why do you think I'm better off using 2 documents (besides the obvious that
Autoshare currently will leave in the /=rfcfrom for remote subscribe sends)
?

Bill

+----------------------------------------------------------------+
| Camelot Postmaster,  mailto:camelot.admin at lmco dot com             |
| Lockheed Martin, Enterprise Information Systems, Sunnyvale, CA |
|                                                                |
| Camelot is served on a PowerMac 7200/90 running Mac OS 8       |
+----------------------------------------------------------------+



Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:34:46 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Minor Request

At 10:44 -0700 7/16/98, Camelot Administrator wrote:

>Why do you think I'm better off using 2 documents (besides the obvious
>that Autoshare currently will leave in the /=rfcfrom for remote subscribe
>sends)?

Basically because the approaches are different:

1. the document is for a standard auto-response service as an FAQ and
therefore resides within the Documents folder, and so standard
auto-response tokens may be used

2. the document is used by a process extender's Send Mail command for
returning welcome messages sent to new subscribers who are subscribed using
remote administration by e-mail, a mechanism which does not know about
auto-response tokens such as /=rfcfrom and does not require the document to
be reside within the Documents folder

It is possible to add a Suppress Tokens parameter to the Send Mail command
for a document picked up by the Body File parameter, but for the time being
it seems less than clean though --> To-Think-About list.

Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:46:08 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Rogue Carriage returns.

--============_-1311504019==_ma============
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

At 22:31 -0700 7/15/98, Mikael Hansen wrote:
>At 08:51 -0700 7/15/98, Camelot Administrator wrote:
>
>>But after Autoshare sends it out, it appears as:
>>
>>...
>>to the list and receive mail sent to it, or unsubscribe. One person is
>>designated as administrator to control the group's membership by
>>approving subsciption requests.  Only list members may post to the list.
>>Postings by members are not controlled or mod
>>
>>erated.
>>
>>It appears to be inserting two carriage returns in places where it should
>>not be inserting any.
>
>Bill, could you send me an unedited copy of the document? Thanks.

Bill sent me the document, and it was fine here. Most likely because my
Admin had the Line Format field in the More Miscellaneous window configured
to a given number of characters per line, thereby enabling reformatting
on-the-fly, which is needed for large paragraphs. You may want to try that,
Bill.
--============_-1311504019==_ma============
Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii"

--============_-1311504019==_ma============--

Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 07:46:34 -0400
From: Ricardo Davis <ricardo at ustaxpayers dot org>
Subject: The Reply-To header field

Hi,

I'm writing to see if anyone has seen the problem I'm having.  We're
running EIMS 1.2 and AS 2.4.  I'm setting the reply-to list setting to
"sender".  What is happening, though, is the actual address in the header
of mail processed by the list is that of the "list".  Is this a known bug?


-Ricardo

--------------------------------------------------------------
                         Ricardo Davis
mailto:ricardo at ustaxpayers.org  *  http://www.ustaxpayers dot org/

1 Samuel 12:14, 24  "If you will fear the LORD and serve Him,
and listen to His voice and not rebel against the command of
the LORD, then both you and also the king who reigns over you
will follow the LORD your God...Only fear the LORD and serve
Him in truth with all your heart; for consider what great
things He has done for you."



Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 07:28:15 -0700
From: Camelot Administrator <camelot.admin at lmco dot com>
Subject: Re: Minor Request

At 12:34 PM -0700 on 7/16/98, Mikael Hansen wrote:


> At 10:44 -0700 7/16/98, Camelot Administrator wrote:
>
> >Why do you think I'm better off using 2 documents (besides the obvious
> >that Autoshare currently will leave in the /=rfcfrom for remote subscribe
> >sends)?
>
> Basically because the approaches are different:
>
> 1. the document is for a standard auto-response service as an FAQ and
> therefore resides within the Documents folder, and so standard
> auto-response tokens may be used
>
> 2. the document is used by a process extender's Send Mail command for
> returning welcome messages sent to new subscribers who are subscribed using
> remote administration by e-mail, a mechanism which does not know about
> auto-response tokens such as /=rfcfrom and does not require the document to
> be reside within the Documents folder
>

I understand, but the effort is _saves_ me is worth it for me to use the
same document in both instances.

> It is possible to add a Suppress Tokens parameter to the Send Mail command
> for a document picked up by the Body File parameter, but for the time being
> it seems less than clean though --> To-Think-About list.
>

Good enough.  :)

+----------------------------------------------------------------+
| Camelot Postmaster,  mailto:camelot.admin at lmco dot com             |
| Lockheed Martin, Enterprise Information Systems, Sunnyvale, CA |
|                                                                |
| Camelot is served on a PowerMac 7200/90 running Mac OS 8       |
+----------------------------------------------------------------+



Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:35:00 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: The Reply-To header field

At 07:46 -0400 7/17/98, Ricardo Davis wrote:

>I'm writing to see if anyone has seen the problem I'm having.  We're
>running EIMS 1.2 and AS 2.4.  I'm setting the reply-to list setting to
>"sender".  What is happening, though, is the actual address in the header
>of mail processed by the list is that of the "list".  Is this a known bug?

The Reply-To field is the address of the sender though, isn't it?

Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 14:57:24 -0500
From: "Richard Petty" <rwvr90 at email.sps.mot dot com>
Subject: Command Crashes

.

    New info the command crashes I've been having.  I used the AutoShare Admin
tool to generate and sent a review of a list.  No problemo.

    So, it seems that the problem is restricted to processing emailed commands
rather than actually performing them.


--Richard

Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 00:20:36 -0400
From: mlists <mlists at ppdirect dot com>
Subject: Creating My Own Email Message Files

Greetings,

This is slightly off topic but I'd thought I'd ask anyway.  If I wanted to
create my own email message files, how would I go about doing so?  I would
like to create text files and place them into the Incoming Mail folder and
have EIMS send them off.  Is there a proper format and function in
structing how the message should be created?


Thanks
Jerry



Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 00:28:55 -0400
From: mlists <mlists at ppdirect dot com>
Subject: Re: AS 2.4 and Preferences set

>Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 19:02:54 -0700
>From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
>Subject: Re: AS 2.4 and Preferences set
>
>At 22:26 -0700 7/14/98, I wrote to Jerry:
>
>>Could you send me a message file from the Filed Mail folder first
>>though, one that causes the "The recipient address is not valid" error?
>>StuffIt'ed please.
>
>Jerry did that quickly, so I tried to reproduce his findings. I first went
>into the Admin, selected my 2nd preference set @domain1 (Command-U) and
>added djbattle.com as an additional host (Command-H).
>
>I then configured list server commands to go in the subject, as Jerry's
>message file indicated so. And also updated the list name to be that of an
>existing list (Fun1-L).
>
>The message file was then dropped into the Filed Mail folder of the 2nd
>preference set. The processed result is here:


Buhahahaha... Funny how it always seems to work once the tech gets ahold of
it. :-)  I know something is going on with the preferences because changing
settings causes irregular and odd behavior.  This was why I wanted to go in
with ResEdit and add the host name myself.  The other option would be to
trash ALL of the preferences and start from the beginning again.  Does AS
have some sort of built-in error checking to determine if preferences are
corrupted?  If it had something like that it would help narrow down my
problems.

Thanks,
Jerry



Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 08:28:17 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Outlook Express...

Hello

Do any of you use that e-mail software entitled Outlook Express from
whatever that company is called that is big on those default questions and
sometimes not even that? If so and because I don't know, how do you have it
not write to the Internet Config settings when updating your OE settings?

In any event, an individual from far away wrote me because he was getting
tired of OE's out-of-the-box default to HTML as the body format, causing
list server commands to not be processed. Being low on time, I told him
that a process extender was likely to do the job, as it could parse and
filter the message and return another message to the subscriber that HTML
wasn't okay for this.

As it turns out, I wrote my own version entitled Body Filter for the fun of
it, and it has been uploaded to the ftp site in the beta folder. It is
interesting because it provides a convenient AppleScript handler for
parsing a message and as such can be used for much else once minor
modifications have been applied.

Be aware that while the process extender appears to be working, it has not
been tested extensively by any means. Also, AppleScript code discussions on
the autoshare-dev list please. Thanks.

Subject: The code in subject
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 16:09:50 -0400
From: Eric Mings <elm at ao dot net>

Many thanks for adding the mail-back code in the subject option! The only 
thing that would make it better would be for the code to be appended to 
the initial subject header (or to one you can set) rather than the code 
replacing the subject. As it is now the mail-back might send a message 
back with the subject:

bh125433

(or whatever it generates)

It would be even better if it was appended to a subject header you could 
specify (or the original subject header) such as:

Your confirmation code is bh125433

This would make it clearer to the recipient that they were recieving the 
confirmation message rather than some spam with a nonsense subject header 
as is common now. Thanks much!

Regards,

Eric Mings Ph.D.

*******************************************
Interested in Letterboxing?
Don't know what it is? :-I
Check it out: <http://www.letterboxing.com>
*******************************************


Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 00:51:41 -0400
From: Ricardo Davis <ricardo at ustaxpayers dot org>
Subject: Re: Upgrade Blues...

At 10:06 PM -0700 7/15/98, Mikael Hansen wrote:
>At 00:29 -0400 7/16/98, Ricardo Davis wrote:
>
>>Did I miss something during the setup of EIMS 2 or AS 2.4?
>
>Chances are that you didn't change the AutoShare configuration of the
>Incoming Mail folder to reflect its new location inside the EIMS 2.x
>application folder; EIMS 1.x on the other hand keeps the folder inside the
>System Folder.


That was it!  Thanks, Mikael!

-Ricardo

--------------------------------------------------------------
                         Ricardo Davis
mailto:ricardo at ustaxpayers.org  *  http://www.ustaxpayers dot org/

1 Samuel 12:14, 24  "If you will fear the LORD and serve Him,
and listen to His voice and not rebel against the command of
the LORD, then both you and also the king who reigns over you
will follow the LORD your God...Only fear the LORD and serve
Him in truth with all your heart; for consider what great
things He has done for you."



Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 01:04:45 -0400
From: Ricardo Davis <ricardo at ustaxpayers dot org>
Subject: Re: The Reply-To header field

>At 07:46 -0400 7/17/98, Ricardo Davis wrote:
>
>>I'm writing to see if anyone has seen the problem I'm having.  We're
>>running EIMS 1.2 and AS 2.4.  I'm setting the reply-to list setting to
>>"sender".  What is happening, though, is the actual address in the header
>>of mail processed by the list is that of the "list".  Is this a known bug?
>
>The Reply-To field is the address of the sender though, isn't it?

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but I thought "sender" was the e-address of
the person who sent the message to the list and "list" was the e-address of
the list itself.

What I want to accomplish is set up an announcement list where replies go
to the list admin (who is the one who sends mail to the list) rather than
the list itself.


-Ricardo

--------------------------------------------------------------
                         Ricardo Davis
mailto:ricardo at ustaxpayers.org  *  http://www.ustaxpayers dot org/

1 Samuel 12:14, 24  "If you will fear the LORD and serve Him,
and listen to His voice and not rebel against the command of
the LORD, then both you and also the king who reigns over you
will follow the LORD your God...Only fear the LORD and serve
Him in truth with all your heart; for consider what great
things He has done for you."



Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 21:16:53 -0400
From: mlists <mlists at ppdirect dot com>
Subject: Logs and Digests

Greetings,

After removing all of the preferences and creating each list over from
scratch, they all appear to work.  Though I would rather had found the
problem than recreating all 8 lists over again.  But since it works now,
its ok.

Each list is setup to send logs and digests out a 20:00 every 1 day.  Is
there any situation where logs won't be sent out? ie. no list activity?

Thanks Mikael for your help earlier. :-)


Jerry



Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 21:58:51 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: The Reply-To header field

At 01:04 -0400 7/19/98, Ricardo Davis wrote:

>What I want to accomplish is set up an announcement list where replies go
>to the list admin (who is the one who sends mail to the list) rather than
>the list itself.

Select not "List" or "Sender", but "Configurable" and enter the admin
address in the "Address" field.

Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 22:01:37 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: AS 2.4 and Preferences set

At 00:28 -0400 7/18/98, mlists wrote:

>Does AS have some sort of built-in error checking to determine if
>preferences are corrupted?

Not really. You can open the prefs file in ResEdit though and see.

Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 22:07:17 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Creating My Own Email Message Files

At 00:20 -0400 7/18/98, mlists wrote:

>This is slightly off topic but I'd thought I'd ask anyway.  If I wanted to
>create my own email message files, how would I go about doing so?  I would
>like to create text files and place them into the Incoming Mail folder and
>have EIMS send them off.  Is there a proper format and function in
>structing how the message should be created?

When creating your own e-mail message file, I'd suggest that you first
create your text file containing the body and then use the Send Mail
AppleScript command specifying all the parameters including picking up the
body. I trust there's a reason for not just using a regular e-mail client?

Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 22:10:33 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: The code in subject

At 16:09 -0400 7/18/98, Eric Mings wrote:

>Many thanks for adding the mail-back code in the subject option!

Glad it's working for you!

>It would be even better if it was appended to a subject header you could
>specify (or the original subject header) such as:
>
>Your confirmation code is bh125433

Good suggestion, as only the last word is checked anyway. Thanks.

Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 22:13:36 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Logs and Digests

At 21:16 -0400 7/19/98, mlists wrote:

>After removing all of the preferences and creating each list over from
>scratch, they all appear to work.

Good to hear that :-)

>Each list is setup to send logs and digests out a 20:00 every 1 day.  Is
>there any situation where logs won't be sent out? ie. no list activity?

Yes, no list activity would be the one reason.

Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 22:24:59 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Command Crashes

At 14:57 -0500 7/17/98, Richard Petty wrote:

>    New info the command crashes I've been having.  I used the AutoShare
>Admin tool to generate and sent a review of a list.  No problemo.
>
>    So, it seems that the problem is restricted to processing emailed
>commands rather than actually performing them.

Yes, the code used for administrative commands is in part different from
that of subscriber commands.

Well, what are we going to do with you? :-) Did you ever get around to
trying it on a *totally* different Mac? Have you tried the CW11 68K version
included in the 2.3 archive? Actually, I wouldn't even mind if the price
for clearing all of this up eventually turned out to be an AutoShare crash
bug, which would be a refreshing change from the last couple of years ;-)

Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:55:23 -0400
From: Cris Mooney <cmooney at jumpdev dot com>
Subject: Re: Creating My Own Email Message Files

>This is slightly off topic but I'd thought I'd ask anyway.  If I wanted to
>create my own email message files, how would I go about doing so?

Learn by example!

The simplest way is to intercept one such file, and examine it and modify
the contents to your new message. Since files pass EIMS/SIMS to AutoShare
and back via text files, you can just catch one on the way. You could shut
down AutoShare and/or EIMS/SIMS at a particular times to make it simpler
to catch files before they get processed.

I think the hardest part would be to generate unique message IDs. From what
I have seen, the Message ID is any text, and you can use whatever algorithm
you like. You will also want to be sure to fix the Date field to represent
the correct date! (In my example, I am -0400 [4 hours] off GMT, and 17:47 is
my current local time). If you need a more complex example, with Mime
enclosures or something, send one such example and intercept it and then
you will have a template.

Here is an example of one file that I grabbed and modified, then dropped
in the outgoing mail folder and it was sent properly via SIMS.

-------------------------------
Message-Id: <v03110700b1caeae4d67c at [206.210.79 dot 1]>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 17:47:27 -0400
To: csm at forus dot com
From: Cris Mooney <cmooney at jumpdev dot com>
Subject: test file for mail server

Does it work?
-------------------------------

Regards,
Cris Mooney



Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 16:38:02 -0500
From: "Richard Petty" <rwvr90 at email.sps.mot dot com>
Subject: Command Crashes Solved

.

   Well, this is going to seem anti-climatic, but the problem I've been having
since April with Type 10 crashes has been solved.

   As I was working with AutoShare to solve the problem today it started
getting flakier and flakier.  Eventually it got to a state where, when it
received a command of any type, it would start copying the file over and over
again in it's preference folder -- forever (but not crashing outright).  The
first time I saw the problem it had already copied repeatedly over 1,000
times.  The log recorded the whole thing.

   So, at this point, I decided to throw away the entire AutoShare preferences
folder and start again.  The problem has been cured.  I guess I'll never know 
_exactly_  what was going on, but at this point...  WHO CARES?!!!

   Sorry for dragging everyone through this; I'm especially sorry to Mikael
who was very patient with me.


--Richard

Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 00:19:10 +0100
Subject: Re: Crash Info
From: james at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk (James Berriman)

Richard wrote:

>
>   I'm still trying to make AutoShare handle commands without crashing with a
>Type 10 error.
>
>   I tossed the log file away and restarted it with a command email in the
>"Filed Mail" folder.  It ran for a couple seconds and crashed again.  Here's
>the contents of the "AutoShare Log" file (in the AutoShare preferences folder):
>
>
>-----------------------------------------------------------
>
>Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:06:15 AutoShare starting up
>
>AutoShare version is 2.4
>Next log in 13:53:45
>Next digest in 13:53:45
>
>* Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:07:37 Transaction
>* Source Folder: Larry:AutoShare:Filed Mail: (Files: 1)
>* Destination Folder: Larry:System Folder:Preferences:AutoShare:AutoShare
>Temp: (Files: 0)
>* Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:07:41 File to process: F.1426-1
>* Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:07:42 Incoming file is F.1426-1
>* Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:07:42 Outgoing file is F.1426-1.1
>* The resource file (F.1426-1) was opened successfully (5548)
>* The resource file (F.1426-1.1) was opened successfully (6394)
>* Number of resource types: 2 (1 STR  1 STR#)
>* Sender:
>* From: [rwvr90 at email.sps.mot dot com]
>* Recipients (1):
>* To: [autoshare at asm.sps.mot dot com]
>* Source resource is available
>* Source resource is available
>* *listserver review
>* *asm
>* Number of resource types: 2 (1 STR  1 STR#)
>* Sender:
>* From: [autoshare at asm.sps.mot dot com]
>* Recipients (1):
>* To: [rwvr90 at email.sps.mot dot com]
>* Text: Larry:AutoShare:Documents:autoshare:review
>
>-----------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
>   No more log entries after this point due to the crash.  "Larry" is the name
>of the hard disk containing the AutoShare files and System folder; "asm" is
>the name of the group that the review command is sent for and is also the
>server's domain name.  It looks to me as though AutoShare is building it's
>return list review email when it crashes.  There's a file in the "AutoShare
>Temp" folder in the "AutoShare" preferences folder called "F.1426-1.1"  This
>is AutoShare preparing a return message, right?
>
>   Is there a problem with the AutoShare application being on one disk and the
>AutoShare files being on another?
>
>   I've attached screen shots of configuration dialogs -- I'm hoping I have a
>configuration problem that I can't see.
>
>   I've enclosed SIMS web admin windows showing the "AutoShare" account setup.
>        PICT Image:  "SIMS AutoShare Acc Config"
>
>   I've enclosed AutoShare Admin windows showing my setups here, too.  I have
>not included any setup info on the actual lists since AutoShare crashes when
>processing commands, not when sending or recieving from lists.
>        PICT Images: Prefs-Miscellaneous
>                     Prefs-More Misc
>                     Prefs-Folders
>                     Prefs-More Folders
>
>   I can produce the list configurations if it'll help.
>
>   Sorry for attaching files to a list but these are desperate times.  We've
>thrown at least $1,000 of my time at AutoShare and must get it working.
>
>
>--Richard

Please note that this list is configured to reject posts over 150 lines in
length. The original message was 379k including attachments.

Richard, you can get all the information revealed by your AutoShare admin
screenshots (and more) by performing an Analysis command in the AutoShare
application and inspecting the text-based analysis file (created in the same
folder as the AutoShare application).

I suggest you post the relevant parts of your analysis file instead.

Looking at your bounce account, it appears that you have your own address
configured as the bounce account, rather than using AutoShare's automatic
bounce module. Is this intentional? I have no idea if this is the direct
cause of your problem, but it looks odd and may perhaps be responsible for
some kind of processing loop. AutoShare may not be happy accepting commands
from its own bounce account.

( :-])  James

Subject: Re: Roll-your-own email files
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 98 21:57:34 -0500
From: jgardner <jgardner at kairosnet dot com>

>>This is slightly off topic but I'd thought I'd ask anyway.  If I wanted to
>>create my own email message files, how would I go about doing so?  I would
>>like to create text files and place them into the Incoming Mail folder and
>>have EIMS send them off.  Is there a proper format and function in
>>structing how the message should be created?
>
>When creating your own e-mail message file, I'd suggest that you first
>create your text file containing the body and then use the Send Mail
>AppleScript command specifying all the parameters including picking up the
>body. I trust there's a reason for not just using a regular e-mail client?

Speaking for myself, SPEED is the biggest reason. If I'm running 
AutoShare and SIMS on the same server, it's much, much faster to just 
write a file into the SIMS "Submitted" folder than go through the 
rigamarole of generating and sending a message in Eudora, or even doing 
the AppleScript thing with AutoShare. For SIMS, the file format should be 
(between the dashed lines):

----------------------------------
From: Your Name <email at address dot com>
To: Recipient Name <recipient at address dot com>
Subject: The message subject.

This is the body of the message.
----------------------------------

Jon

Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 19:04:55 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Lite news

As the freeware EIMS 1.2.1 was released earlier today, I have updated

  <http://www.dnai.com/~meh/autoshare/mailshare/>

I have also updated the Documentation to include a table indicating which
list parameters are passed with which process extender types

  <http://www.dnai.com/~meh/autoshare/documentation/#extenders>

There's a TidBITS blurp on 2.4 at

  <http://www.tidbits.com/macnews.html#04983>

And here's a bit of interesting news

<http://www.seattletimes.com/news/local/html98/spam_072098.html>

Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 19:06:35 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Command Crashes Solved

At 16:38 -0500 7/20/98, Richard Petty wrote:

>   So, at this point, I decided to throw away the entire AutoShare
>preferences folder and start again.  The problem has been cured.

See, not everything was different :-) Happy to note it's fine now.

>   Sorry for dragging everyone through this; I'm especially sorry to Mikael
>who was very patient with me.

Well, you got me worried there for a while! I'll look into some resource
fork corruption verification code.

From: jose.accino at ice.uma dot es (Jose A. Accino)
Subject: AS 1.3 admin problem
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 10:03:51 +0000

I've been using AS 1.3 68k without problem until I did a replacement
of the hard disk on the LC I use for all the mail stuff for a greater
one. The remote Admin doesn't work now. The problem is as follows:

I start Autoshare admin on my Mac and select LISTS on Configuration menu.

It shows the name and password dialog but it rejects me to log-on.
(However, I have no problem to mount the mail hard drive using the same
name and password).

Cancelling the log-in process, it starts the "Sorry. I forgot where AS
is" story and shows the where AS and the login dialogs again.

All was running fine before. Any  help?


BTW. Now that all people here is in vacation seems a good moment to
upgrade AS. Any problem to run it on a LC with 10 Mb RAM and 80Mb HD?
Any special tricks to be aware of?

TIA,
JA.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Jose Alfonso Accino                                  jose.accino at ice.uma dot es
I.C.E. Universidad de Malaga                         http://www.ice.uma.es/
Bulevar Louis Pasteur, s/n                           Phone: +34-5-213 29 44
29071  MALAGA                                        Fax:   +34-5-213 29 45
España/Spain



Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 09:19:13 +0100
From: James Berriman <james at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk>
Subject: Re: AS 1.3 admin problem

At 11:03 21/7/98, Jose A. Accino wrote:

>It shows the name and password dialog but it rejects me to log-on.
>(However, I have no problem to mount the mail hard drive using the same
>name and password).

>All was running fine before. Any  help?

Have you enabled Program Linking in your Sharing Setup control panel?

>BTW. Now that all people here is in vacation seems a good moment to
>upgrade AS. Any problem to run it on a LC with 10 Mb RAM and 80Mb HD?
>Any special tricks to be aware of?

This list is run on an LCII 10/80. No special tricks :-)

( :-])  James



From: jose.accino at ice.uma dot es (Jose A. Accino)
Subject: Re: AS 1.3 admin problem
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 10:53:53 +0000

>>It shows the name and password dialog but it rejects me to log-on.
>>(However, I have no problem to mount the mail hard drive using the same
>>name and password).
>
>Have you enabled Program Linking in your Sharing Setup control panel?
>

Yes, it is in both Macs, the mine and the list server. The odd thing
is that I can log in the list server mac via AppleShare. AFAIK, AutoShare
uses the same name and password introduced in the Sharing Setup control
panel...

JA.



Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 10:20:55 +0100
From: James Berriman <james at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk>
Subject: Re: AS 1.3 admin problem

At 11:53 21/7/98, Jose A. Accino wrote:
>>Have you enabled Program Linking in your Sharing Setup control panel?
>>
>
>Yes, it is in both Macs, the mine and the list server. The odd thing
>is that I can log in the list server mac via AppleShare. AFAIK, AutoShare
>uses the same name and password introduced in the Sharing Setup control
>panel...

Select the AutoShare application in the Finder, then go to Sharing... in
the File menu. When the Sharing window opens you should see a checkbox
marked 'Allow program linking'.

It occurs to me that you do need a local copy of AutoShare (or a resource
file that contains the AutoShare dictionary), preferably in the same folder
as your Admin application.

If there is no AutoShare dictionary available on the same mac, the Admin
won't be able to interpret its scripts.

Perhaps this is your problem?

( :-])  James



Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 11:33:57 +0200
From: Jan Koudelka <koudelka at appleklub dot cz>
Subject: Fwd: AutoShare Report

>Transactions
>
>Individual test bounces
>
>List server requests
>
>Remote administration requests
>

Why do not I get numbers? I am using AS 2.3 under 7.6.1 on 8500.

HOnza

From: jose.accino at ice.uma dot es (Jose A. Accino)
Subject: Re: AS 1.3/2.3 admin problem
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 12:42:42 +0000

>Select the AutoShare application in the Finder, then go to Sharing... in
>the File menu. When the Sharing window opens you should see a checkbox
>marked 'Allow program linking'.
>
>It occurs to me that you do need a local copy of AutoShare (or a resource
>file that contains the AutoShare dictionary), preferably in the same folder
>as your Admin application.
>

The program linking is checked in both the AutoShare server and the
admin Mac (that one I'm using just now), and yes, I have the copy
of the Resource File. Actually, I have installed a fresh 2.3 version
in both the Mac running the AS server and the Mac on my desktop.

=46or some reason, the AS Admin is unable to check the name and password
I type against the name and password stored within the AppleShare Prep.
The same setup was running fine before I changed the hard drive. I
copied all the stuff to the new drive, so maybe some file has been
corrupted.

I have also trashed the AppleShare Prep file to force a new one, but
the problem is still there.

I have no problem to run the WebStar remote admin application on
my desktop Mac (WebStar is not the same Mac that the EIMS and AS
servers, however).

JA.




From: jose.accino at ice.uma dot es (Jose A. Accino)
Subject: Re: AS 1.3/2.3 admin problem SOLVED
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:01:29 +0000

>The program linking is checked in both the AutoShare server and the
>admin Mac (that one I'm using just now), and yes, I have the copy
>of the Resource File. Actually, I have installed a fresh 2.3 version
>in both the Mac running the AS server and the Mac on my desktop.


Well, the program linking was active but myself was not
authorized in the Users and Groups control panel to link
programs.

All's fine now again, and with 2.3!

James, thanks for your help.

Regards,

JA.



Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 20:14:13 +0800
From: Derek Tom <derek at bbdo.com dot hk>
Subject: Attachment Encoding

Just 2 quick questions (sorry for my ignorance!):

1) Why is it Mac mailers like Eudora Pro and MS Outlook Express don't
support MIME encoding (they only support BinHex, UUencode, AppleDouble,
AppleSingle)? Does it have something to do with Mac files' resource fork or
8-bit file properties?

2) Almost all PC mailers default to encoding in MIME format which screws up
attachments processed through AutoShare. Can and/or will AutoShare ever
support MIME attachments?

Thanks very much for your time! Thanks Mikael for such an excellent and
continually improving product!

Cheers,
Derek

Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:31:52 +0200
From: "Serge Belleudy-d'Espinose" <sam at ijm.jussieu dot fr>
Subject: Re: Attachment Encoding

>1) Why is it Mac mailers like Eudora Pro and MS Outlook Express don't
>support MIME encoding (they only support BinHex, UUencode, AppleDouble,
>AppleSingle)? Does it have something to do with Mac files' resource fork or
>8-bit file properties?

MIME is not an encoding format for attachments, like stuffit, it's a way of
telling what's inside a mail. Keep in mind that whatever you send via mail,
it's sent in the body itself in only one part. So the MIME header - and a
couple of separators - tell 'this part is plain text, this part must be
processed as a stuffit archiveŠ'
MIME also helps identify 'foreign' charsets, like the famous iso 8859-1 I
use when I write in my native french.

# Serge

\  Serge BELLEUDY - d'ESPINOSE   |   Reseau & Macintosh           /
 ) @: sam at ijm dot jussieu dot fr        -+-  Institut J. Monod - Tour 43 (
/     http://www.ijm.jussieu.fr/ |   2 pl. Jussieu - 75251 Paris  \



Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:48:30 +0100
From: James Berriman <james at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk>
Subject: Re: Attachment Encoding

At 13:14 21/7/98, Derek Tom wrote:
>Just 2 quick questions (sorry for my ignorance!):
>
>1) Why is it Mac mailers like Eudora Pro and MS Outlook Express don't
>support MIME encoding (they only support BinHex, UUencode, AppleDouble,
>AppleSingle)? Does it have something to do with Mac files' resource fork or
>8-bit file properties?

The above are all registered MIME encoding types, of which there are many.


>2) Almost all PC mailers default to encoding in MIME format which screws up
>attachments processed through AutoShare. Can and/or will AutoShare ever
>support MIME attachments?

What MIME encoding do they default to? Base-64? The list of registered MIME
types is very long.

Which version of AutoShare are you using? Older versions removed
attachments from list contributions. I think this limitation was removed in
AutoShare 2.3.

( :-])  James



Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 23:22:14 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Fwd: AutoShare Report

At 11:33 +0200 7/21/98, Jan Koudelka wrote:

>>Transactions
>>
>>Individual test bounces
>>
>>List server requests
>>
>>Remote administration requests
>>
>
>Why do not I get numbers? I am using AS 2.3 under 7.6.1 on 8500.

Because all numbers within each of the listed sections are zero. If you add
the letter i to the Misc Stuff field in the Admin's More Miscellaneous
window, the numbers will be displayed even if they are zero.

Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 23:25:49 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Attachment Encoding

At 20:14 +0800 7/21/98, Derek Tom wrote:

>Thanks very much for your time! Thanks Mikael for such an excellent and
>continually improving product!

Thank you!

Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 09:53:40 +0100
From: James Berriman <james at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk>
Subject: Recommended upgrade for all AIMS and EIMS 1.x users

This is from the EIMS-L list, for those of you who are using freeware
versions of AIMS or EIMS 1.x

Date:  Tue, 21 Jul 1998 10:27:21 +1200
From: Glenn Anderson <glenn at qualcomm.co dot nz>
Subject: EIMS 1.2.1 now available

EIMS 1.2.1 is now available from
<http://eudora.qualcomm.com/free/servers.html>. This is a recommended
upgrade for all AIMS and EIMS 1.x users, it fixes the bug in all AIMS and
EIMS 1.x versions where the server can be crashed by overflowing the input
buffer on the change password port.

Changes from EIMS 1.2:
* Fixed bug where EIMS would thrash the hard disk if it couldn't process a
message.
* The POP3 server now expunges messages that were read in previous sessions
if auto-delete is turned on.
* EXPN and VRFY commands convert 8bit MacRoman characters to closest single
US-ASCII.
* Ph server converts 8bit MacRoman characters to closest single US-ASCII.
* Added 0.0.0.0 as a loopback address.
* Now rename a users mail store if the user is renamed.
* Full addresses and % hack addresses are now recognised by the POP3 and
password servers.
* Fixed plaintext passwords to use a case sensitive comparison.
* Return-Path headers are now added when messages are delivered.
* Fixed buffer overflow bug in the Port 106 change password server.

Glenn.
____________________________________________________________
Glenn Anderson                          glenn at qualcomm.co dot nz
Macintosh Internet Programmer   Phone (mobile) +64 25 518661
Eudora Internet Mail Server:     http://www.eudora.com/eims/
------------------------------



Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 11:01:52 +0800
Subject: Re: Attachment Encoding
From: "Derek Tom" <derek at bbdo.com dot hk>

I wrote:
>>2) Almost all PC mailers default to encoding in MIME format which screws up
>>attachments processed through AutoShare. Can and/or will AutoShare ever
>>support MIME attachments?

James Berriman <james at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk> replied:
>What MIME encoding do they default to? Base-64? The list of registered MIME
>types is very long.
>
>Which version of AutoShare are you using? Older versions removed
>attachments from list contributions. I think this limitation was removed in
>AutoShare 2.3.

James,

Thanks very much for your reply. From what I can recall, most PC mailers
like Eudora Pro default to Base-64 encoding and Most Mac mailers default to
BinHex encoding.

I was using AutoShare 2.0 but upgraded to version 2.4 just yesterday. Gosh,
if that fixes it, I don't see how AutoShare can be improved much further
(just kidding - for me it does all I want and then some!)!  ;-)   I'll do a
test right now to confirm support for Base-64 MIME.

Thanks again for your time.

Cheers,
Derek
.............................
Derek Tom
IT Manager
BBDO Asia Pacific
<mailto:derek at bbdo.com dot hk>
<http://derek.bbdo.com.hk/>