Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 14:41:05 +0000
From: james at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk (James Berriman)
Subject: Merry Christmas & Happy new year :-)

Season's Greetings from your listmaster!

I'd like to take this opportunity to wish you all the best for Christmas
and the new year.

I'll be away for two weeks, so don't be too surprised if normal list
service on AutoShare-Talk is interrupted for a few days.

( :-])  James Berriman (listmaster at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk)



Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 07:58:25 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas & Happy new year :-)

At 14:41 +0000 12/20/96, James Berriman wrote:

>Season's Greetings from your listmaster!

Thank you :-) And likewise!

                            |                         _...._
                          (\o/)                    .:::'''':o:.
                      ---  / \  ---                :o:_    _:::
                           >*<                     `:}_>()<_{:'
                          >0<@<                 @    `'//\\'`    @
                         >>>@<<*              @ #     //  \\     # @
                      >*>>@<<<@<<         [__________________________]
                      >@>>0<<<*<<@<         |=_- .-/\ /\ /\ /\--. =_-|
                     >*>>0<<@<<<@<<<        |-_= | \ \\ \\ \\ \ |-_=-|
                    >@>>*<<@<>*<<0<*<       |_=-=| / // // // / |_=-_|
      \*/          >0>>*<<@<>0><<*<@<<      |=_- |`-'`-'`-'`-'  |=_=-|
  ___\\U//___     >*>>@><0<<*>>@><*<0<<     | =_-| o          o |_==_|
  |\\ | | \\|    >@>>0<*<<0>>@<<0<<<*<@<    |=_- | !     (    ! |=-_=|
  | \\| | _(UU)_ >((*))_>0><*<0><@<<<0<*<  _|-,-=| !    ).    ! |-_-=|_
  |\ \| || / //||.*.*.*.|>>@<<*<<@>><0<<@</=-((=_| ! __(:')__ ! |=_==_-\
  |\\_|_|&&_// ||*.*.*.*|_\\db//__     (\_/)-=))-|/^\=^=^^=^=/^\|

--
Mikael Hansen <mailto:meh at dnai.com> <http://www.dnai dot com/~meh/autoshare/>



Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 09:06:30 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas & Happy new year :-)

>**  The AutoShare-Talk archives are at:
>**  <http://frutiger.staffs.ac.uk/autoshare/archives/AutoShare-Talk/>

Indeed a very nice touch to put the URL address of the automated web
archives into the automated footer of the contributions!

--
Mikael Hansen <mailto:meh at dnai dot com>



Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 09:42:02 -0400
From: Michael Reid <michael_reid at wow dot net>
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas & Happy new year :-)

Hi,

>>**  The AutoShare-Talk archives are at:
>>**  <http://frutiger.staffs.ac.uk/autoshare/archives/AutoShare-Talk/>
>
>Indeed a very nice touch to put the URL address of the automated web
>archives into the automated footer of the contributions!
>
>--
>Mikael Hansen <mailto:meh at dnai dot com>

Yes, this is a very cool idea, my users have been asking me for this one
for a while now. How is it done (I'm too lazy to go figure it out myself...)

Also, how do you get autoshare to chop attachments. A 12meg attachment
accidentally bounced to one of my autoreply accounts and it actually
pocessed it! But shortly after the server made a dialog come up and then
seemed to crash.

Thanks for these two christmas gifts.

P.S. Otherwise, AutoShare 1.1 has been a dream come true. Flawless thus far.

                                             Thank You,
                                             Postmaster.
                                             WOW.Net Ltd.
                                             <http://www.wow.net/>



Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 08:15:40 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas & Happy new year :-)

At 09:42 -0400 12/23/96, Michael Reid wrote:

>>Indeed a very nice touch to put the URL address of the automated web
>>archives into the automated footer of the contributions!
>
>Yes, this is a very cool idea, my users have been asking me for this one
>for a while now. How is it done (I'm too lazy to go figure it out myself...)

The footer part is featured in 1.1, although not documented. Headers and
footers appear in list contributions when line-based "Header." and
"Footer." files are added to the docs/autoshare folder. An example is
"Footer.fun-l".

HTML formatted archives have been around for a long time. They were an
option in 1.0 and haven't changed in 1.1, and when a GET command is issued,
a complete HTML file is returned in the message body based on the pair of
.html and .toc archive files. I have however extended this recently, so
that an additional fully automated web subtree of folders and complete HTML
files is updated whenever a contribution takes place. With James being on
Xmas vacation, we'll see how well it turns out.

>Also, how do you get autoshare to chop attachments. A 12meg attachment
>accidentally bounced to one of my autoreply accounts and it actually
>pocessed it!

The following script configures AutoShare, so that contributions with more
than 200 lines are not posted. The BinHex lines of the enclosure are
included in this acount.

tell application "AutoShare.68k" -- or AutoShare.ppc
  SetList List Options {List: "fun-l", Lines: 200}
end tell

>P.S. Otherwise, AutoShare 1.1 has been a dream come true. Flawless thus far.

Thanks!

--
Mikael Hansen <mailto:meh at dnai dot com>



Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 10:26:40 -0500
From: wsuarez at digprod dot com (Bill Suarez)
Subject: A Moderated Subscription???

Hi folks and merry christmas.

Here's a question for y'll.

I'm creating a new "beta test" list for our users. I want the list as a
subscription list so only those subscribed can post. I also want to
"moderate" who subscribes to the list. To that end, I've removed the 
=/sub token from the sub. file so a subscription cannont
automatically occur.

Is there a way to automatically copy the outgoing message to a sub
request to more than one address so the I can know, in real time, that
someone has attempted to subscribe to the list???

Thanks in advance,

Bill

From: jthompson at directhit dot com (Jerry Thompson)
Subject: FaceSpan Extension Problem
Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 11:50:37 -0600

Greetings,

With many months of using Autoshare under my belt, I have run into a small
problem.  Initially, there was a problem with the admin app in which case
it would sometimes ask for the 68k version of the Autoshare app even though
I was running the PPC version.  However, now something else has changed.

Whenever I try to start the admin program, it looks for the Facespan
extension.  Supposedly it cannot find it so it asks me to look for it.
When I find it and click on it to select it, I get the following error...

"Unable to continue because FaceSpan extension is missing, would not open,
or is too old a version. (0)"

From there, clicking OK quits the app.  I've tried replacing the FaceSpan
Ext. with another copy from the original stuffit file, and the same thing
happens.  I really need to administer some of the lists, but cannot.

Any suggestions?

Thanks
Jerry.

________________________________________________
Jerry Thompson                  jthompson at directhit dot com
MIS/Webmaster,
NDPC/PP List Management

Tel  212.929.0515 ext. 150
Fax  212.633.8218

- "I have seen a glimpse of the future... It's name is Macintosh."
- "Off the keyboard, thru the router, over the bridge, nothing but net!"
________________________________________________



Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 08:55:55 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: A Moderated Subscription???

At 10:26 -0500 12/24/96, Bill Suarez wrote:

>I'm creating a new "beta test" list for our users. I want the list as a
>subscription list so only those subscribed can post. I also want to
>"moderate" who subscribes to the list. To that end, I've removed the
>=/sub token from the sub. file so a subscription cannont
>automatically occur.

You may moderate subscriptions by configuring your lists as private.

>Is there a way to automatically copy the outgoing message to a sub
>request to more than one address so the I can know, in real time, that
>someone has attempted to subscribe to the list???

The listmaster of a private list receives a real time notification of the
subscription attempt. An entry is also added to the log.

                                    __/\__
                                    \    /
                                     |/\|
                                    "( )&&
                                   ( )""""&
                                   &&&&&( )""
                                 &&&( )""""&
                                 """"&&&&&( )&&
                                 &&&"""""""&&( )
                             ( )&&&&&&&&&&"""""
                              &&&&&( )"""""&&&( )&
                           ( )&&""""""&&( )&&&&&&&&&
                          """"""( )&&&&&&( )&&&&( )&
                          ( )&&&"""""""""&&&&&&&( )&&
                        &&&&&( )&&&&&&&&"""""""&&&&&( )
                   /\___/\ &( )&&&&&&&&( )&&&&&&&"""&&&&&&
                   | o o | )&&&&&( )&&&&""""""___\|/___&&&&&&
                  __\_^_/__  ___\|/___ &&&&& |   |||   |&""&&&
                 (__/   \__)|   |||   |   __\|/__|||  _|___\|/_____
                  _|  .  |_ |___|||___|  |__|||__|||_|     |||     |
                 (__\___/__)                         |_____|||_____|

--
Mikael Hansen <mailto:meh at dnai.com> <http://www.dnai dot com/~meh/autoshare/>



Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 11:59:05 -0500
From: wsuarez at digprod dot com (Bill Suarez)
Subject: Re[2]: A Moderated Subscription???

I thought that if I set the list to Private, then only the "moderator" could
post to the list........am I wrong? If I set it up as private and then subscribe
folks "manually", can they then post?
_______________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: A Moderated Subscription???
From:    autoshare-talk at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk at Internet
Date:    12/24/1996  8:55 AM

At 10:26 -0500 12/24/96, Bill Suarez wrote:

>I'm creating a new "beta test" list for our users. I want the list as a
>subscription list so only those subscribed can post. I also want to
>"moderate" who subscribes to the list. To that end, I've removed the
>=/sub token from the sub. file so a subscription cannont
>automatically occur.

You may moderate subscriptions by configuring your lists as private.

>Is there a way to automatically copy the outgoing message to a sub
>request to more than one address so the I can know, in real time, that
>someone has attempted to subscribe to the list???

The listmaster of a private list receives a real time notification of the
subscription attempt. An entry is also added to the log.

                                    __/\__
                                    \    /
                                     |/\|
                                    "( )&&
                                   ( )""""&
                                   &&&&&( )""
                                 &&&( )""""&
                                 """"&&&&&( )&&
                                 &&&"""""""&&( )
                             ( )&&&&&&&&&&"""""
                              &&&&&( )"""""&&&( )&
                           ( )&&""""""&&( )&&&&&&&&&
                          """"""( )&&&&&&( )&&&&( )&
                          ( )&&&"""""""""&&&&&&&( )&&
                        &&&&&( )&&&&&&&&"""""""&&&&&( )
                   /\___/\ &( )&&&&&&&&( )&&&&&&&"""&&&&&&
                   | o o | )&&&&&( )&&&&""""""___\|/___&&&&&&
                  __\_^_/__  ___\|/___ &&&&& |   |||   |&""&&&
                 (__/   \__)|   |||   |   __\|/__|||  _|___\|/_____
                  _|  .  |_ |___|||___|  |__|||__|||_|     |||     |
                 (__\___/__)                         |_____|||_____|

--
Mikael Hansen <mailto:meh at dnai.com> <http://www.dnai dot com/~meh/autoshare/>


**  The AutoShare-Talk archives are at:
**  <http://frutiger.staffs.ac.uk/autoshare/archives/AutoShare-Talk/>

Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 09:15:54 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re[2]: A Moderated Subscription???

At 11:59 -0500 12/24/96, Bill Suarez wrote:

>I thought that if I set the list to Private, then only the "moderator"
>could post to the list........am I wrong? If I set it up as private and
>then subscribe folks "manually", can they then post?

Yes. You must be thinking of a moderated list, which moderates
contributions, but not subscriptions!

                  .-}        .-}        .-}
                  |_|        |_|        |_|
                  (_)        (_)  __    (_) .---.
                  | \ .--.   | \.'  '.  | \/     \
                  |\_|--o )  |\_|--o  ; |\_|--o   |
                  |:| '--'   |:|'.__.'  |:|\     /
                  |:|        |:|        |:| `---`
                  |:|_       |:|_       |:|_
              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

--
Mikael Hansen <mailto:meh at dnai.com> <http://www.dnai dot com/~meh/autoshare/>



Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 09:20:10 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: FaceSpan Extension Problem

At 11:50 -0600 12/24/96, Jerry Thompson wrote:

>Whenever I try to start the admin program, it looks for the Facespan
>extension.  Supposedly it cannot find it so it asks me to look for it.
>When I find it and click on it to select it, I get the following error...
>
>"Unable to continue because FaceSpan extension is missing, would not
>open, or is too old a version. (0)"

For now, download the "complete" Admin, which has a built-in extension,
from the ftp server at

  <ftp://ftp.dnai.com/users/m/meh/AutoShare/AutoShare-More/>

       ___     ___     ___     ___     ___     ___     ___
      /,_ \   /,_ \   /,_ \   /,_ \   /,_ \   /,_ \   /,_ \    _,
      |/ )/   |/ )/   |/ )/   |/ )/   |/ )/   |/ )/   |/ )/   / |
        //  _/ |//  _/  //  _/  //  _/  //  _/  //  _/  //  _/  |
       / (_/   / (_/   / (_/   / (_/   / (_/   / (_/   / (_/   _)
      /   `   /   `   /   `   /   `   /   `   /   `   /   `   _/)
      \  ~=-  \  ~=-  \  ~=-  \  ~=-  \  ~=-  \  ~=-  \  ~=-   /
  ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~

--
Mikael Hansen <mailto:meh at dnai dot com>



Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 12:48:59 -0500
From: wsuarez at digprod dot com (Bill Suarez)
Subject: Re[3]: A Moderated Subscription???

OK, changed it to a Private list and now the "listmaster" gets a "subscription
request", fowarded by AutoShare, of the users sub request.

If I then use AutoShare Admin to "sub" that user, they get added to the list but
they will never get the "sub. file.......

Bill
_______________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re[2]: A Moderated Subscription???
From:    autoshare-talk at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk at Internet
Date:    12/24/1996  9:15 AM

At 11:59 -0500 12/24/96, Bill Suarez wrote:

>I thought that if I set the list to Private, then only the "moderator"
>could post to the list........am I wrong? If I set it up as private and
>then subscribe folks "manually", can they then post?

Yes. You must be thinking of a moderated list, which moderates
contributions, but not subscriptions!

                  .-}        .-}        .-}
                  |_|        |_|        |_|
                  (_)        (_)  __    (_) .---.
                  | \ .--.   | \.'  '.  | \/     \
                  |\_|--o )  |\_|--o  ; |\_|--o   |
                  |:| '--'   |:|'.__.'  |:|\     /
                  |:|        |:|        |:| `---`
                  |:|_       |:|_       |:|_
              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

--
Mikael Hansen <mailto:meh at dnai.com> <http://www.dnai dot com/~meh/autoshare/>


**  The AutoShare-Talk archives are at:
**  <http://frutiger.staffs.ac.uk/autoshare/archives/AutoShare-Talk/>

Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 15:09:19 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re[3]: A Moderated Subscription???

At 12:48 -0500 12/24/96, Bill Suarez wrote:

>OK, changed it to a Private list and now the "listmaster" gets a
>"subscription request", fowarded by AutoShare, of the users sub request.
>
>If I then use AutoShare Admin to "sub" that user, they get added to the
>list but they will never get the "sub. file.......

The AppleScript Unsubscribe, which the Admin uses for this, is an
administrative command only; you may want to supplement it with a personal
mail, perhaps based on a template, to the new subscriber.

Or you can do something like this

  tell application "AutoShare.68k"
-- change the list type to Subscription temporarily
    SetList List Options {List: "fun-l", List Type: "Subscription"}
-- create a message file in the Filed Mail folder
    File Mail Name "a b" Email "a@b" Command "sub fun-l a b"
-- return to the list type of Private
    SetList List Options {List: "fun-l", List Type: "Private"}
-- get status for the listmaster as well
    GetSubscriber List "fun-l" Email "a@b"
  end tell

which should accomplish what you want.

--
Mikael Hansen <mailto:meh at dnai.com> <http://www.dnai dot com/~meh/autoshare/>



Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 15:15:24 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re[3]: A Moderated Subscription???

At 15:09 -0800 12/24/96, Mikael Hansen wrote:

>The AppleScript Unsubscribe, which the Admin uses for this, [...]

The AppleScript Subscribe of course :-)

--
Mikael Hansen <mailto:meh at dnai dot com>



Date: Wed, 25 Dec 1996 10:14:10 -0500
From: wsuarez at digprod dot com (Bill Suarez)
Subject: Re[4]: A Moderated Subscription???

I changed the sub. file to still include the /=sub token and the text
reflects the fact that their subscription request will be validated before all
of the commands, etc. listed in the balance of the sub. file will
work.

Should be OK now.

Thanks Mikael......once again.

Bill Suarez
_______________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re[3]: A Moderated Subscription???
From:    autoshare-talk at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk at Internet
Date:    12/24/1996  3:09 PM

At 12:48 -0500 12/24/96, Bill Suarez wrote:

>OK, changed it to a Private list and now the "listmaster" gets a
>"subscription request", fowarded by AutoShare, of the users sub request.
>
>If I then use AutoShare Admin to "sub" that user, they get added to the
>list but they will never get the "sub. file.......

The AppleScript Unsubscribe, which the Admin uses for this, is an
administrative command only; you may want to supplement it with a personal
mail, perhaps based on a template, to the new subscriber.

Or you can do something like this

  tell application "AutoShare.68k"
-- change the list type to Subscription temporarily
    SetList List Options {List: "fun-l", List Type: "Subscription"}
-- create a message file in the Filed Mail folder
    File Mail Name "a b" Email "a@b" Command "sub fun-l a b"
-- return to the list type of Private
    SetList List Options {List: "fun-l", List Type: "Private"}
-- get status for the listmaster as well
    GetSubscriber List "fun-l" Email "a@b"
  end tell

which should accomplish what you want.

--
Mikael Hansen <mailto:meh at dnai.com> <http://www.dnai dot com/~meh/autoshare/>


**  The AutoShare-Talk archives are at:
**  <http://frutiger.staffs.ac.uk/autoshare/archives/AutoShare-Talk/>

Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 15:55:27 -0600
From: Chris Dowling <cdowling at facstaff.wisc dot edu>
Subject: One solution to "bad token" problem

When installing the newest version of AutoShare, I received the "bad token"
error when issuing a listserv command.  For example, when sending the
"which" command, AutoShare returned the following...

=======================================
You subscribe to the following lists:

/=which (bad token)
=======================================

I'm running AIMS 1.0 (circa 1995), AutoShare 1.1 (11/96), and MacOS 7.1 on a
Quadra 800.  The AutoShare configuration includes a listserv folder in the
docs (auto:docs:listserv:) folder that is associated with an account named
"listserv" in AIMS.

Editing the "which" document had not effect.  What DID work was using
ResEdit to change a string in the AutoShare Preferences file.  Edit the STR#
1984 from the default value of "0" to "1".  This workaround is documented in
the AutoShare 1.1 Documentation Addendum under "Undocumented features."
It's a method to replace the "use listerv" file.

Cheers,
Chris
~~~~~~~~~~~~
Chris Dowling                           	1025 W. Johnson Street
Manager,                            		Madison, WI  53706
School of Education Computer lab       		(608) 263-4339--voice
http://labweb.soemadison.wisc.edu		(608) 262-6447--FAX
                                                  	~~~~~~~~~~~~




Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 16:11:50 -0600
From: Chris Dowling <cdowling at facstaff.wisc dot edu>
Subject: How to filter out nuisance users??

Last week, a subscriber joined and provided a poorly-formed e-mail address.
When sent a message, the person's mail server bounced the message to the
list account rather than to the postmaster (bounce account).  What appears
to have happened is that the other mail server used the "Reply-To:" field
rather than the "Errors-To:" field.  Unfortunately, this created a loop in
which a number of these bounced error messages were sent to the list's
subscribers.  Oops.  8-(  

I'm pretty sure that our setup is fine, because we've been running this list
since April 1995 without a hitch.  Also, message from this mixup revealed
that the Reply-To and Errors-To fields were correct with the list address in
the former and the postmaster's address in the latter.  What I want to know
is if there is a way to prevent this from happening again.  I just upgraded
to AutoShare 1.1 for the most excellent search feature.  Is there another
feature (maybe filtering) that could meet this need?

TIA,
Chris
~~~~~~~~~~~~
Chris Dowling                           	1025 W. Johnson Street
Manager,                            		Madison, WI  53706
School of Education Computer lab       		(608) 263-4339--voice
http://labweb.soemadison.wisc.edu		(608) 262-6447--FAX
                                                  	~~~~~~~~~~~~




Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 20:27:09 -0500
From: Pug Scoville <cscoville at tarnet dot com>
Subject: Re: AutoShare-Talk digest 3 Jan 1997

I'm currently using Macjordomo with AIMS 1.1.1, but have considered using
Autoshare.  In reading the documentation, however, I noticed the
requirement that AIMS be used as the POP/SMTP server.  My current
configuration is to use AIMS as the POP server, but outgoing mail is
directed to the SMTP server at my Internet Service Provider.  Does this
make using Autoshare impossible?

When all is said and done, what are the pros and cons of Macjordomo and
Autoshare for listserving?

Thanks for any wisdom you can share!



Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 18:41:36 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: How to filter out nuisance users??

At 16:11 -0600 1/2/97, Chris Dowling wrote:

>What appears to have happened is that the other mail server used the
>"Reply-To:" field rather than the "Errors-To:" field.
[...]
>What I want to know is if there is a way to prevent this from happening
>again.

There is nothing you can do. The mail server should have sent the bounce
mail to the sender located in not the RFC header, but rather the *envelope*
of the arrived mail. I am not sure about the use of "Errors-To:", but using
the "Reply-To:" is definitely wrong.

>I just upgraded to AutoShare 1.1 for the most excellent search feature.
>Is there another feature (maybe filtering) that could meet this need?

No, I'm afraid not. The filter files are used to exclude addresses that you
know about already. And the indirect filtering uses the RFC Precedence
header.

--
Mikael Hansen <mailto:meh at dnai dot com>



Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 20:18:11 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: AutoShare-Talk digest 3 Jan 1997

At 20:27 -0500 1/2/97, Pug Scoville wrote:

>I'm currently using Macjordomo with AIMS 1.1.1, but have considered using
>Autoshare.  In reading the documentation, however, I noticed the
>requirement that AIMS be used as the POP/SMTP server.  My current
>configuration is to use AIMS as the POP server, but outgoing mail is
>directed to the SMTP server at my Internet Service Provider.  Does this
>make using Autoshare impossible?

I don't think that AIMS 1.1.1 will re-route outgoing mail (e.g. a single
mail with multiple recipients) to another mail server, which is what you
need, but you may want to ask Glenn Anderson, the author of AIMS.

I suggest that you address him about the above in future versions by
posting a contribution to mailshare-l, the discussion list for AIMS and
MailShare. You can subscribe by sending a subject of 'sub mailshare-l your
name' to listserv at easy dot com.

>When all is said and done, what are the pros and cons of Macjordomo and
>Autoshare for listserving?

AutoShare supports all of the following (Macjordomo may not support any of
them, but I can't tell you for sure as I don't use it):

 1. support for scripting is one thing making it powerful
 2. is both a list server, an auto-responder and a vacation service
 3. direct filter files for all three of the above services
 4. indirect filters based on the RFC Precedence bulk/junk/list
 5. supports both digests and archives
 6. supports either text or HTML format for archives
 7. extensive list-specific options
 8. an AppleTalk remote admin
 9. list-specific logs for assistant listmasters
10. use of 'all' instead of  with many commands
11. unlimited lists on a server
12. unlimited users on a list
13. looks for list commands in contributions
14. requires little memory
15. directly compiled PPC version
16. poll auto-response feature
17. extremely crash-free record

--
Mikael Hansen <mailto:meh at dnai dot com>



From: james at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk (James Berriman)
Subject: Re: AutoShare-Talk digest 3 Jan 1997
Date: Sun, 5 Jan 1997 00:31:58 +0000

At 01:27 03/01/97, Pug Scoville wrote:
>I'm currently using Macjordomo with AIMS 1.1.1, but have considered using
>Autoshare.  In reading the documentation, however, I noticed the
>requirement that AIMS be used as the POP/SMTP server.  My current
>configuration is to use AIMS as the POP server, but outgoing mail is
>directed to the SMTP server at my Internet Service Provider.  Does this
>make using Autoshare impossible?

It's by no means impossible. You can set AIMS to route all outgoing mail via=
 your ISP's server (in Sending setup...). Just bear in mind that (as Mikael=
 pointed out) AIMS will generate an individual message for every subscriber.=
 The amount of time connected for each outgoing list contribution will=
 depend on the number of subscribers, the available bandwidth and the number=
 of outgoing SMTP connections you have configured in AIMS. If you're on a=
 dialup connection, this may be the deciding factor.

( :-])  James



Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 10:09:29 -0500
From: Mark Nelson Ðmnelson at thayer dot orgð
Subject: Questions from a new Autoshare User

Howdy,

I set up an AutoShare listserver for my school last week, with four lists
as a start.  Three are for internal use for broadcasting things like the
daily notices, memos, and the like; the fourth is a list for tech directors
at independent schools in the Greater Boston area.

The three internal lists were working fine until mid afternoon yesterday,
at which point my student webmaster restarted the machine that AutoShare is
on.  After the restart anyone who attempted to post to the list was denied
with the message that only members of the list could post to it.  Any ideas
as to what caused this and what I can do to resolve this situation?

The setup details:

-I set up all three internal lists the same way.  I composed a text file
with one account name per line (I *did not* include the domain name after
each account name - that is I entered mnelson rather than
mnelson at thayer dot org)  As a test after I was denied a posting I changed my
entry in the list to mnelson at thayer dot org and could post to the list.

Hardware:
Apple Workgroup Server 7250  w/32 MB RAM  1.2 GB HD
Sys. 7.5.3
OT 1.1.1
AIMS 1.1.1 (approx. 900 accounts)
AutoShare.ppc 1.1
WebSTAR 1.2.5
Assorted webstar helpers

Another Question - when I tried to use AutoShare Admin why does it keep
asking where AutoShare 68K is?  And if I tell it, why does it launch it?

Thanks in advance for any helpful advice!

Mark Nelson

________________________________________________________________________
Mark Nelson                         *
Director of Information Technology  *
Thayer Academy                      *       "Technophobia is far more
745 Washington Street               *         dangerous than technology"
Braintree, MA.  02184               *                   - Woodie Flowers
                                    *
voice: 617-843-3580 ex. 264
fax:   617-380-0520
email: mnelson at thayer.org     http://www.thayer dot org



Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 17:37:54 +0000
From: james at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk (James Berriman)
Subject: Re: Questions from a new Autoshare User

At 15:09 7/1/97, Mark Nelson wrote:
>Howdy,

Welcome to the list!

>Another Question - when I tried to use AutoShare Admin why does it keep
>asking where AutoShare 68K is?

From the archives:

>Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 12:28:54 -0800
ðFrom: Mikael Hansen Ðmeh at dnai dot comð
>Subject: Have uploaded new admins
>
>Thanks to Phil Gyford for helping me clear up the 68K dialog prompt when
>starting up the Admin. An internal reference to the 68K AutoShare was
>present in the Admin, which seems to be the cause of it. I have uploaded
>new versions (with and without a built-in FaceSpan extension) to
>
ð  Ðftp://ftp.dnai.com/users/m/meh/AutoShare/AutoShare-More/ð


>And if I tell it, why does it launch it?

The Admin does all its work by sending apple events to the AutoShare
application. So AutoShare has to be running when you use the Admin. It's
just asking you for the wrong version ;-)


( :-])  James



Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 14:21:24 -0500
From: Mark Nelson Ðmnelson at thayer dot orgð
Subject: Questions from a new Autoshare User

Howdy,

I set up an AutoShare listserver for my school last week, with four lists
as a start.  Three are for internal use for broadcasting things like the
daily notices, memos, and the like; the fourth is a list for tech directors
at independent schools in the Greater Boston area.

The three internal lists were working fine until mid afternoon yesterday,
at which point my student webmaster restarted the machine that AutoShare is
on.  After the restart anyone who attempted to post to the list was denied
with the message that only members of the list could post to it.  Any ideas
as to what caused this and what I can do to resolve this situation?

The setup details:

-I set up all three internal lists the same way.  I composed a text file
with one account name per line (I *did not* include the domain name after
each account name - that is I entered mnelson rather than
mnelson at thayer dot org)  As a test after I was denied a posting I changed my
entry in the list to mnelson at thayer dot org and could post to the list.

Hardware:
Apple Workgroup Server 7250  w/32 MB RAM  1.2 GB HD
Sys. 7.5.3
OT 1.1.1
AIMS 1.1.1 (approx. 900 accounts)
AutoShare.ppc 1.1
WebSTAR 1.2.5
Assorted webstar helpers

Another Question - when I tried to use AutoShare Admin why does it keep
asking where AutoShare 68K is?  And if I tell it, why does it launch it?

Thanks in advance for any helpful advice!

Mark Nelson

________________________________________________________________________
Mark Nelson                         *
Director of Information Technology  *
Thayer Academy                      *       "Technophobia is far more
745 Washington Street               *         dangerous than technology"
Braintree, MA.  02184               *                   - Woodie Flowers
                                    *
voice: 617-843-3580 ex. 264
fax:   617-380-0520
email: mnelson at thayer.org     http://www.thayer dot org



Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 14:49:52 -0500
From: Richard Long Ðrlong at daemen dot eduð
Subject: Autoshare Admin

I've just started using autoshare, version 1.1, which comes with Autoshare
Admin. It's the big version, with FaceSpan built it. But so far I've not
been able to use Autoshare Admin. Each time I try to open it, I get a
message to find the FaceSpan Extension. If I use the small version, with
the Extension in the Extension folder, I'm told that the extension is
missing or too old. Can anyone help?

Richard Long

+-----------------------------------+
 Dr. Richard Long
 Writing Coordinator
 Daemen College
 [716.839.8290] [rlong at daemen dot edu]
 www.daemen.edu/pages/rlong/
+-----------------------------------+



Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 13:13:42 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen Ðmeh at dnai dot comð
Subject: Re: Autoshare Admin

At 14:49 -0500 1/7/97, Richard Long wrote:

>It's the big version, with FaceSpan built it. But so far I've not
>been able to use Autoshare Admin. Each time I try to open it, I get a
>message to find the FaceSpan Extension.

That's news to me. Have you just downloaded it?

What are the dates in Get Info in Finder?

--
Mikael Hansen Ðmailto:meh at dnai dot comð



Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 15:45:48 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen Ðmeh at dnai dot comð
Subject: Mail-back authentication

Feel like trying some mail-backs?

I have designed and implemented a system for AutoShare, which goes beyond
mail-back confirmations for just list subscriptions. On a per list basis,
mail-backs may be turned on or off for any given list server command (or
none or all). A per list configuration may be applied to list contributions
too. And because AutoShare is also an auto-responder, individual
auto-response accounts may be set up with mail-backs as well. On or off, as
the admin feels like it.

After a given expiration period, saved messages will be deleted based on
the time of creation, unless they have already been validated and sent (the
user clicks reply and send without having to modify the return mail).

If you would like to see how it works, send various list server commands to
autoshare at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk pertaining to the dc-l list, which has been
configured for complete mail-back protection. Feel free to post to this
test list too. The auto-response account at info at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk has
been given mail-back as well.

Please respond if you run into trouble :-) Thanks.

--
Mikael Hansen Ðmailto:meh at dnai dot comð



Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 10:09:10 -0500
From: Kirk Rogers Ðrogers at er6.eng.ohio-state dot eduð
Subject: Autoshare 1.1 not reading prefs

I have a simple problem, I would like to upgrade from autoshare 1.0 to 1.1,
but 1.1.68k seems to not be able to read the preferences corectly.  It will
work fine until autoshare or the machine is restarted, but then gives the
reconfigure autoshare error.   The hard disk seems ok according to Norton
disk doctor, and manual inspection of the preferences file created by  1.1
or 1.0 are essentially the same. Anybody have a suggestion?

Machine:
MacIIsi
sys 7.1+applescript
5 MB ram + virtual mem.

-Kirk
___________________________________________________
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apologize for the untimeliness of the magazine's past performance. 
SciTech has been in a period of transition. The past two issues were
laid out on an IBM compatible computer which resulted in great 
productivity losses. The publishing industry is Macintosh based and 
we experienced many cross platform incompatibilities which added to 
expenses and delays. We are in the process of returning to the 
Macintosh platform with our newly acquired 7200 PowerMac."

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Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 15:28:46 +0000
From: james at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk (James Berriman)
Subject: Re: Autoshare 1.1 not reading prefs

ðI have a simple problem, I would like to upgrade from autoshare 1.0 to 1.1,
ðbut 1.1.68k seems to not be able to read the preferences corectly.  It will
ðwork fine until autoshare or the machine is restarted, but then gives the
ðreconfigure autoshare error.   The hard disk seems ok according to Norton
ðdisk doctor, and manual inspection of the preferences file created by  1.1
ðor 1.0 are essentially the same. Anybody have a suggestion?


As I recall, the old prefs file was just a text file listing the basic
AutoShare settings (folders, account names, misc. settings).

The 1.1 prefs file stores all this information in the resource fork (along
with a wide range of list-specific settings).

I suggest that you make a note of your 1.0 settings and reconfigure
AutoShare 1.1 from scratch. This should be relatively painless.


( :-])  James



Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 09:17:58 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen Ðmeh at dnai dot comð
Subject: Re: Mail-back authentication

A little polish has been added to the mail-back feature, so please feel
free to try again. Thanks!

At 15:45 -0800 1/9/97, Mikael Hansen wrote:

ðIf you would like to see how it works, send various list server commands to
>autoshare@frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk pertaining to the dc-l list, which has been
ðconfigured for complete mail-back protection. Feel free to post to this
ðtest list too. The auto-response account at info at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk has
ðbeen given mail-back as well.

--
Mikael Hansen Ðmailto:meh at dnai dot comð



From: john at infoback dot net (John M. Reese)
Subject: Importing AIMS accounts/Auto-Reply concerns
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 23:38:54 +0000

A few quick questions for you AutoShare pros:

1.  Is there any way to IMPORT a text file of accounts
to be added to AIMS?  Or are they only added through AIMS itself?

2.  When setting up Auto-Reply functions with AutoShare, is
there a way to have all incoming mail to a mailbot address
ALSO get forwarded to another email address?
(Instead of just storing that request in the POP account).

3.  Is it possible to set a "digest-like" listserv setting to
an Auto-Reply account that has stored several  "copies"
of requests, so they can be forwarded in one large message
once a day?

Thanks a million for any and all help!

~John

=======================================================
John M. Reese, Pres./CEO                          john at infoback dot net
   InfoBack Corporation                      Auto-reply: info at infoback dot net
"The Email-On-Demand Network"        w w w . i n f o b a c k . n e t



Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 22:39:26 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen Ðmeh at dnai dot comð
Subject: Re: Importing AIMS accounts/Auto-Reply concerns

At 23:38 +0000 1/14/97, John M. Reese wrote:

ð1.  Is there any way to IMPORT a text file of accounts
ðto be added to AIMS?  Or are they only added through AIMS itself?

From its documentation: "MailShare Loader is a utility for importing and
exporting users from MailShare/Apple Internet Mail Server (AIMS).", which
can be found at Ðhttp://www.fairbanks.org/ð, I think.

The good thing is that it's freeware. The not so nice thing is that it
heads straight for AIMS data files, which can get kind of risky, as formats
change and as AIMS can take no blame if something goes wrong. The
preferable way would be for AIMS to support scripting, so that accounts may
be updated this way. Or mail or text files might even do it. Unfortunately,
AIMS doesn't support any of these.

ð2.  When setting up Auto-Reply functions with AutoShare, is
ðthere a way to have all incoming mail to a mailbot address
ðALSO get forwarded to another email address?
ð(Instead of just storing that request in the POP account).

It may work to set up a two address mailing list (use the address for this
account), which sends one copy to the mailbot address (the envelope sender
should still be the original sender) and one to the other address.

ð3.  Is it possible to set a "digest-like" listserv setting to
ðan Auto-Reply account that has stored several  "copies"
ðof requests, so they can be forwarded in one large message
ðonce a day?

No, I don't think so. And the Precedence header will cause an auto-reply to
be rejected as a list contribution, if we were to see if we somehow could
do it within the existing environment. I am interested in hearing about
your scenario though!

--
Mikael Hansen Ðmailto:meh at dnai dot comð



Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 15:22:12 +0000
From: Phil Gyford Ðphil at wired.co dot ukð
Subject: Subscriber unable to post...

This is either an extremely obvious and stupid mistake on my part, or
something strange happening with our Autoshare. Someone on one of our lists
(haddock at wired.co dot uk) is unable to post to it. He's definitely subscribed
with the right address Ðxxxx at onlinemagic dot comð but he keeps getting it
bounced back to him (see below). I've deleted his account once and
reinstated it, but it still happens. If anyone has any bright ideas, I'll
give 'em a try, as I've run out!

I've changed his name to 'xxxx' in the header below, but it *is* the same
on his header and the list of subscribers:


X-Sender: xxxx at flash.globalnews dot com
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 12:57:56 -0800
To: haddock at wired.co dot uk
Reply-To: haddock at wired.co dot uk
Errors-To: listmaster at wired.co dot uk (Wired UK Listmaster)
X-Sender: xxxx at flash.globalnews dot com
X-Listserver: AutoShare 1.1 by Mikael Hansen
X-Administrivia-To: phil at wired.co dot uk (Phil Gyford)
X-To-Unsubscribe: autoshare at wired.co dot uk, body: unsub haddock
X-See-Also: http://www.haddock.co.uk
From: Xxxx Wright Ðxxxx at onlinemagic dot comð
Subject: The Mild Mannered Janitor

************************************************************
ATTENTION PLEASE
Your message did NOT get posted or forwarded
You cannot post to a list, unless you are a subscriber
The listserv address is autoshare at wired.co dot uk
************************************************************

Ð...message text cut...ð


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 PHIL GYFORD                       Inter-planetary dialling prefix  44(0)171
 mailto:phil at wired.co dot uk              Daylight productivity podule  775.3434
 http://www.paranoia.com/~fabius           Darkside leisure palace  622.9058
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Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 07:50:36 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen Ðmeh at dnai dot comð
Subject: Re: Autoshare Question

[moved from MailShare-L list to the AutoShare-Talk list]

At 08:42 -0500 1/15/97, Mark Nelson wrote:

ðI recently added AutoShare (1.1)  to my AIMS (1.1.1) setup.  I began with
ðfour lists, each of which I set up as text file with an address per line.
ðSome users on each list receive postings, but when they attempt to post to
ðthe list their posting is rejected with the message they are not a member
ðof the list.  When I go back into the text file that holds the list's
ðmember addresses, they are on the list.

You may find a description of the format used for list subscriber files in
the AutoShare 1.0 Documentation, AutoShare the list server way, Lists:

  Ðhttp://www.dnai.com/~meh/autoshare/documentation/index.html#[IV.3]ð

While I have always been open about the formats of stored data, it is also
my recommendation that you let AutoShare itself update its data and
preference files whenever possible (using the AutoShare interface,
scripting or the Admin) rather than doing it yourself directly.

For list subscriber files, not only the structure of individual lines, but
also the sequence of subscribers (sorted by domain, then user) is important.

--
Mikael Hansen Ðmailto:meh at dnai dot comð



Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 08:10:23 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen Ðmeh at dnai dot comð
Subject: Re: Subscriber unable to post...

At 15:22 +0000 1/15/97, Phil Gyford wrote:

ðSomeone on one of our lists (haddock at wired.co dot uk) is unable to post to it.
ðHe's definitely subscribed with the right address Ðxxxx at onlinemagic dot comð
ðbut he keeps getting it bounced back to him
[...]
ðI've changed his name to 'xxxx' in the header below, but it *is* the same
ðon his header and the list of subscribers:

Here is what I used to do. Set up a dummy account in AIMS configured as
'Save as files' pointing to a new and otherwise unused folder. Once he has
mailed to dummy@ and the message file arrives in the folder, inspect the
envelope sender (the 'STR ' resource) using ResEdit.

You can also ask him to send a mail to the list server with a Query command
and see what happens.

--
Mikael Hansen Ðmailto:meh at dnai dot comð



Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 16:18:00 +0000
From: james at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk (James Berriman)
Subject: Re: Subscriber unable to post...

ðThis is either an extremely obvious and stupid mistake on my part, or
ðsomething strange happening with our Autoshare. Someone on one of our lists
ð(haddock at wired.co dot uk) is unable to post to it. He's definitely subscribed
ðwith the right address Ðxxxx at onlinemagic dot comð but he keeps getting it
ðbounced back to him (see below). I've deleted his account once and
ðreinstated it, but it still happens. If anyone has any bright ideas, I'll
ðgive 'em a try, as I've run out!

The problem is that his envelope address is not the same as his
subscription address.

A possible clue is here:

ðX-Sender: xxxx at flash.globalnews dot com
ðFrom: Xxxx Wright Ðxxxx at onlinemagic dot comð

My usual recommendation: set up an AIMS account called test, saving as
files. Get the subscriber to send a message to test at wired.co dot uk, open the
resulting message file in ResEdit and check the envelope address stored in
STR  8192.




Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 16:38:22 +0000
From: Phil Gyford Ðphil at wired.co dot ukð
Subject: Re: Subscriber unable to post...

At 4:18 pm +0000 15/1/97, James Berriman wrote:
ðThe problem is that his envelope address is not the same as his
ðsubscription address.
ð
ðA possible clue is here:
ð
ððX-Sender: xxxx at flash.globalnews dot com
ððFrom: Xxxx Wright Ðxxxx at onlinemagic dot comð
ð
ðMy usual recommendation: set up an AIMS account called test, saving as
ðfiles. Get the subscriber to send a message to test at wired.co dot uk, open the
ðresulting message file in ResEdit and check the envelope address stored in
ðSTR  8192.

If James AND Mikael say to do the same thing, then I'll do it! :)  I assume
I'm looking to see whether the address stored in STR 8192 is different to
their subscription address, which would cause this problem? If so, is it
some problem with their mailer, their server, our server, or what?

Thanks for the prompt replies!


` ' ` ' ` ' ` ' ` ' ` ' ` ' ` ' ` ' ` ' ` ' ` ' ` ' ` ' ` ' ` ' ` ' ` ' ` ' `
 PHIL GYFORD                       Inter-planetary dialling prefix  44(0)171
 mailto:fabius at paranoia dot com           Daylight productivity podule  775.3434
 http://www.paranoia.com/~fabius           Darkside leisure palace  622.9058
 Wired magazine, 51d30'N 00d05'W, Earth           Hard copy portal  775.3401
. , . , . , . , . , . , . , . , . , . , . , . , . , . , . , . , . , . , . , .



Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 17:21:28 +0000
From: james at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk (James Berriman)
Subject: Re: Subscriber unable to post...

At 16:38 15/1/97, Phil Gyford wrote:

ðIf James AND Mikael say to do the same thing, then I'll do it! :)  I assume
ðI'm looking to see whether the address stored in STR 8192 is different to
ðtheir subscription address, which would cause this problem?

That's right :-)

ðIf so, is it
ðsome problem with their mailer, their server, our server, or what?

Most likely, their mailer. Eudora copies the return address (if specified)
to the From line and the rfc envelope when you create and send a new
message, so it's not usually a problem.

I read yesterday that a few people testing Demon's beta POP3 service have
been losing mail because of incorrect return address configuration. Demon
posted instructions on how to do this in pegasus mail. Apparently, it's a
little more involved to set up than Eudora.

ðThanks for the prompt replies!

You're welcome ;-)

( :-])  James



Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 09:17:38 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen Ðmeh at dnai dot comð
Subject: Re: Subscriber unable to post...

At 16:38 +0000 1/15/97, Phil Gyford wrote:

ðIf James AND Mikael say to do the same thing, then I'll do it! :)

I got lucky this time :-)

ðI assume
ðI'm looking to see whether the address stored in STR 8192 is different to
ðtheir subscription address, which would cause this problem? If so, is it
ðsome problem with their mailer, their server, our server, or what?

It is not a problem if the envelope sender and the RFC From are different.
The problem arises when the former changes when you are already subscribed,
as it constitutes a change in the subscriber's e-mail address! This may be
caused by fooling around with DNS stuff at the subscriber's site.

--
Mikael Hansen Ðmailto:meh at dnai dot comð



Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 17:58:42 +0000
From: Phil Gyford Ðphil at wired.co dot ukð
Subject: Re: Subscriber unable to post...

ðMost likely, their mailer. Eudora copies the return address (if specified)
ðto the From line and the rfc envelope when you create and send a new
ðmessage, so it's not usually a problem.

Well, I've had a look. There are two people with the problem, and both
their 'From' addresses do match their subscription addresses, but the STR
8192 addresses are different:

One person's STR8192 is the same as his 'X-Sender' header.

The other's STR8192 has the same host as the email's Message ID, but
nothing else in the header.

So I'll try setting their subs addresses to their STR8192 addresses, and
see if that works! It's odd that this hasn't happened until now, and we've
now had three people in a couple of days...


` ' ` ' ` ' ` ' ` ' ` ' ` ' ` ' ` ' ` ' ` ' ` ' ` ' ` ' ` ' ` ' ` ' ` ' ` ' `
 PHIL GYFORD                       Inter-planetary dialling prefix  44(0)171
 mailto:fabius at paranoia dot com           Daylight productivity podule  775.3434
 http://www.paranoia.com/~fabius           Darkside leisure palace  622.9058
 Wired magazine, 51d30'N 00d05'W, Earth           Hard copy portal  775.3401
. , . , . , . , . , . , . , . , . , . , . , . , . , . , . , . , . , . , . , .



From: james at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk (James Berriman)
Subject: Re: Subscriber unable to post...
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 19:32:35 +0000

ðOne person's STR8192 is the same as his 'X-Sender' header.
ð
ðThe other's STR8192 has the same host as the email's Message ID, but
ðnothing else in the header.

Hmm. Not quite clear about that last one. You wouldn't like to stuff those=
 two messages and send copies to me, by any chance? (Stuffing them preserves=
 the resource fork).
=20
ðSo I'll try setting their subs addresses to their STR8192 addresses, and
ðsee if that works! It's odd that this hasn't happened until now, and we've
ðnow had three people in a couple of days...

If these people are using misconfigured mailers, the problem will resurface=
 as soon as they log on from a different machine. Probably best to try and=
 pin down the source of the problem. You can usually tell from the headers=
 what mailer / gateway / server people are using. That would shed a lot more=
 light on the situation :-)

( :-])  James



Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 16:30:03 -0500
From: john at infoback dot net (John M. Reese)
Subject: AIMS/AutoShare Crashing!

After spending about 3 hours to get about 200 accounts
configured into AIMS and AutoShare, the system
now crashes after only a few minutes.

I have an 8150/110 running only:

OT 1.1.1 (was 1.1.2 - but the downgrade didn't fix th bug).
QuickDNS Pro
AIMS 1.1.1
AutoShare 1.1

I have even given AIMS 5mb of ram.

Any ideas????

This system was running very fast and efficiently,
but then the system freezes - the clock stops but
the mouse still moves, and no activity from any apps.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

~John

=======================================================
John M. Reese, Pres./CEO                          john at infoback dot net
   InfoBack Corporation                      Auto-reply: info at infoback dot net
"The Email-On-Demand Network"        w w w . i n f o b a c k . n e t



Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 17:41:17 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen Ðmeh at dnai dot comð
Subject: Re: AIMS/AutoShare Crashing!

At 16:30 -0500 1/15/97, John M. Reese wrote:

ðAfter spending about 3 hours to get about 200 accounts
ðconfigured into AIMS and AutoShare, the system
ðnow crashes after only a few minutes.

If no files in the Filed Mail folder, then AIMS for sure!

--
Mikael Hansen Ðmailto:meh at dnai dot comð



From: "Alan S. Dobkin" ÐADobkin at emory dot eduð
Subject: Private List Option
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 19:55:30 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time)

I apologize in advance if this is an FAQ item, but I couldn't find it 
anywhere in the documentation.  I need a slightly clearer explanation 
of the private list option.  I understand that only the administrator 
may modify the subscription list, but I have a few other questions:

o Can non-subscribers post to a private list?  I assume not, but if not, 
  then why not?  I need to create a list in which I maintain the list of 
  subscribers but that anyone can post to.  In other words, I need it to 
  be both Private and Open -- subscriptions are not allowed, but 
  contributions do not require subscription.  This way anyone can post, 
  but only selected members receive the postings.  Is this possible?

o Does the ListMaster automatically get a copy of all messages sent to a 
  list, whether or not they are listed as a subscriber?  I configured 
  myself as the ListMaster of a private list of which I am not a member, 
  and I still receive copies of the messages.  Any ideas as to why?

Finally, thanks for providing such excellent software for free, Mikael!

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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 01:09:48 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen Ðmeh at dnai dot comð
Subject: Re: Private List Option

At 19:55 -0500 1/21/97, Alan S. Dobkin wrote:

ðo Can non-subscribers post to a private list?

No.

ð  I assume not, but if not, then why not?

Basically because private and open lists are direct opposites. Are you able
to let us in on which kind of scenario may require this combo?

ðo Does the ListMaster automatically get a copy of all messages sent to a
ð  list, whether or not they are listed as a subscriber?

If not subscribed, then no. If subscribed, then yes.

ð  I configured
ð  myself as the ListMaster of a private list of which I am not a member,
ð  and I still receive copies of the messages.  Any ideas as to why?

Perhaps, a subscribed address forwards to your address?

ðFinally, thanks for providing such excellent software for free, Mikael!

Thank you!

--
Mikael Hansen Ðmailto:meh at dnai dot comð



Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 12:54:07 +0000
From: james at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk (James Berriman)
Subject: Re: Private List Option

At 19:55 -0500 1/21/97, Alan S. Dobkin wrote:

ðo Can non-subscribers post to a private list?

My suggestion would be this:

1. Create an open list to which anyone can post.

2. Create a sub.Ðlistnameð file in your docs/autoshare folder, omitting the
/=sub token (this step disables the subscribe command). The contents of the
file can take the form of a polite explanation that subscriptions are
handled by the listmaster.

( :-])  James



From: "Alan S. Dobkin" ÐADobkin at emory dot eduð
Subject: Re: Private List Option
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 08:54:17 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time)


On Wed, 22 Jan 1997 01:09:48 -0800 Mikael Hansen Ðmeh at dnai dot comð wrote:

ð At 19:55 -0500 1/21/97, Alan S. Dobkin wrote:
ð 
ð ðo Can non-subscribers post to a private list?
ð 
ð No.
ð 
ð ð  I assume not, but if not, then why not?
ð 
ð Basically because private and open lists are direct opposites. Are you 
ð able to let us in on which kind of scenario may require this combo?

Many of the lists I maintain are functional groups of individuals, such 
as work groups in my organization.  The groups don't change often, and 
they certainly don't want others to add themselves to the groups, but 
they need to be able to receive messages from outsiders.  For a real 
simple example, we have the address NWS-WWW at ITD.Emory dot Edu, which is the 
group that administers our (NWS) web server.  We post this address at the 
bottom of our web pages for anyone to send us mail, but we wouldn't want 
other people to receive these messages.  Basically private subscriptions, 
but open contributions.

Incidentally, I have managed to temporarily establish this functionality 
by creating these lists as Open, but then modifying the sub. command file 
to remove the /=sub token.  Would this cause any other problems that I 
haven't thought about?

ð ðo Does the ListMaster automatically get a copy of all messages sent to a
ð ð  list, whether or not they are listed as a subscriber?
ð 
ð If not subscribed, then no. If subscribed, then yes.
ð 
ð ð  I configured
ð ð  myself as the ListMaster of a private list of which I am not a member,
ð ð  and I still receive copies of the messages.  Any ideas as to why?
ð 
ð Perhaps, a subscribed address forwards to your address?

No, in fact I received a confidential message that I wasn't supposed to 
see.  Is it possible that someone is sending posts that are not being 
posted (because of a problem with their address or something), but in 
fact being bounced back to me? If so, there is no apparent indication in 
the message body or headers that it was bounced.  It just looks like I 
received the message as a regular subscriber.

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From: "Alan S. Dobkin" ÐADobkin at emory dot eduð
Subject: Re: Private List Option
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 10:14:35 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time)


On Wed, 22 Jan 1997 12:54:07 +0000 James Berriman 
Ðjames at frutiger.staffs.ac dot ukð wrote:

ð At 19:55 -0500 1/21/97, Alan S. Dobkin wrote:
ð 
ð ðo Can non-subscribers post to a private list?
ð 
ð My suggestion would be this:
ð 
ð 1. Create an open list to which anyone can post.
ð 
ð 2. Create a sub.Ðlistnameð file in your docs/autoshare folder, omitting the
ð /=sub token (this step disables the subscribe command). The contents of the
ð file can take the form of a polite explanation that subscriptions are
ð handled by the listmaster.
ð 
ð ( :-])  James

This is exactly what I tried yesterday, and it seems to be working now.  
Thanks for the suggestion!

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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 16:07:16 +0000
From: james at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk (James Berriman)
Subject: Re: Private List Option

At 13:54 22/1/97, Alan S. Dobkin wrote:

ðIncidentally, I have managed to temporarily establish this functionality
ðby creating these lists as Open, but then modifying the sub. command file
ðto remove the /=sub token.  Would this cause any other problems that I
ðhaven't thought about?

Great minds think alike ;-)

No problems I can think of.

ðð Perhaps, a subscribed address forwards to your address?
ð
ðNo, in fact I received a confidential message that I wasn't supposed to
ðsee.  Is it possible that someone is sending posts that are not being
ðposted (because of a problem with their address or something), but in
ðfact being bounced back to me? If so, there is no apparent indication in
ðthe message body or headers that it was bounced.  It just looks like I
ðreceived the message as a regular subscriber.

Doesn't sound like a bounce to me!

The most likely explanation I can come up with is that someone subscribed
from an invalid address at your domain (they messed up their return address
in Eudora, for example), and you have the Ðany nameð account in AIMS set up
to forward to you. In which case you would receive all messages to the list
(AIMS would forward to you rather than bounce the message back).

If you are not receiving all list messages, do the messages you received
contain the usual AutoShare x-headers (indicating that they were processed
by AutoShare and not simply bcc'ed to you)?


( :-])  James



From: "Alan S. Dobkin" ÐADobkin at emory dot eduð
Subject: Re: Private List Option
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 18:12:41 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time)


On Wed, 22 Jan 1997 16:07:16 +0000 James Berriman 
Ðjames at frutiger.staffs.ac dot ukð wrote:

ð At 13:54 22/1/97, Alan S. Dobkin wrote:
ð 
ð ðð Perhaps, a subscribed address forwards to your address?
ð ð
ð ðNo, in fact I received a confidential message that I wasn't supposed to
ð ðsee.  Is it possible that someone is sending posts that are not being
ð ðposted (because of a problem with their address or something), but in
ð ðfact being bounced back to me? If so, there is no apparent indication in
ð ðthe message body or headers that it was bounced.  It just looks like I
ð ðreceived the message as a regular subscriber.
ð 
ð Doesn't sound like a bounce to me!
ð 
ð The most likely explanation I can come up with is that someone subscribed
ð from an invalid address at your domain (they messed up their return address
ð in Eudora, for example), and you have the Ðany nameð account in AIMS set up
ð to forward to you. In which case you would receive all messages to the list
ð (AIMS would forward to you rather than bounce the message back).

I didn't even think to check this, but after looking at my AIMS account 
configuration, I noticed that although I have the Ðany nameð account set 
up to forward to me, I do not have the Account Enabled box checked.  So, 
I am assuming this means that messages sent to invalid names are bounced.

ð If you are not receiving all list messages, do the messages you received
ð contain the usual AutoShare x-headers (indicating that they were processed
ð by AutoShare and not simply bcc'ed to you)?

Yes, they do contain the usual AutoShare x-headers, and I've already 
ruled out the possibility that it was just a simple bcc.

After thinking about this for a while and then checking the AIMS Debug 
window, I think I may have found and fixed the problem.  I suppose that 
I should've mentioned earlier that I have only been using AutoShare for 
a few days now, so I don't have a long history of AutoShare lists that I 
can go back to verify how they were configured to work properly.  As it 
turns out, I think this problem actually affected *all* of my lists on 
this server, and I think the reason is due to the field in the Admin 
application called "Work Lists" in the List window.  My inital assumption, 
since it mapped to "alternate name" in the analysis, was that this is a 
way to give the list a name (such as AutoShare Discussion List), as 
opposed to the ordinary List Name, which is really just an e-mail address 
(such as AutoShare-Talk).  Apparently, I was wrong.  It seems that this 
is actually an alternate e-mail address for the list itself.  Can someone 
please further clarify what this is for, along with what the "Address" 
field is normally used for?

Anyway, in the Debug window, I noticed that messages would go to the real 
list name, then be moved from the PostMaster acct. to the "Work List" name, 
and finally be bounced back to the PostMaster, which is forwarded to me.  
It seems like removing all entries from this field has fixed this problem.

Thanks for all your help in tracking this down, James and Mikael!

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