The autoshare-talk list archive ending on 15 Sep 2001


Topics covered in this issue include:

  1. vacation notice and attachments and Wintels
       KMF-MIS <mis at kubotametal dot com>
       Fri, 13 Jul 2001 10:53:52 -0400
  2. From address modification
       Vince <vince at wino dot com>
       Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:40:50 -0700
  3. Autoshare Admin unable to quit
       Owen Watson <owen.watson at paradise.net dot nz>
       Thu, 19 Jul 2001 14:55:52 +1200
  4. ICAP;internetconfiglib
       Eric Enwall <elenwall at chemdept.chem.ou dot edu>
       Fri, 20 Jul 2001 10:00:14 -0500
  5. Re: Autoshare Admin unable to quit
       David Graham <dgraham at pwiworks dot org>
       Fri, 20 Jul 2001 09:57:52 -0700
  6. Re: ICAP;internetconfiglib
       David Graham <dgraham at pwiworks dot org>
       Fri, 20 Jul 2001 09:59:47 -0700
  7. Re: ICAP;internetconfiglib
       Jerry Tangren <tangren at wsu dot edu>
       Fri, 20 Jul 2001 23:09:22 -0700
  8. Re: ICAP;internetconfiglib
       Eric Enwall <elenwall at chemdept.chem.ou dot edu>
       Fri, 20 Jul 2001 13:43:54 -0500
  9. Re: ICAP;internetconfiglib
       David Graham <dgraham at pwiworks dot org>
       Fri, 20 Jul 2001 14:33:37 -0700
 10. vacation notice and attachments and Wintels
       KMF-MIS <mis at kubotametal dot com>
       Fri, 27 Jul 2001 14:25:14 -0400
 11. Re: vacation notice and attachments and Wintels
       Hansen Ball <hball at atconf dot org>
       Fri, 27 Jul 2001 15:01:47 -0400
 12. Administration by email
       "Roger Palmer" <palmer-roger at chmail.spc.uchicago dot edu>
       Sat, 28 Jul 2001 15:56:16 -0500
 13. Re: vacation notice and attachments and Wintels
       Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
       Mon, 30 Jul 2001 01:52:30 -0700
 14. Re: Administration by email
       Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
       Mon, 30 Jul 2001 01:54:02 -0700
 15. Re: Autoshare problem with MIME encoding for Entourage and OE
       Administrator <admin at aladdinsys dot com>
       Tue, 31 Jul 2001 11:01:21 -0700
 16. Re: vacation notice and attachments and Wintels
       KMF-MIS <mis at kubotametal dot com>
       Tue, 7 Aug 2001 10:21:18 -0400
 17. Re: vacation notice and attachments and Wintels
       Bill Bedford <billb at mousa.demon.co dot uk>
       Tue, 7 Aug 2001 20:16:50 +0100
 18. Re: vacation notice and attachments and Wintels
       KMF-MIS <mis at kubotametal dot com>
       Wed, 8 Aug 2001 08:25:46 -0400
 19. Large lists - choking EIMS and yahoo
       Hans Eriksson <hans at pulver dot com>
       Wed, 8 Aug 2001 23:36:06 +0200
 20. Another question about List Admin by email
       "Roger Palmer" <palmer-roger at chmail.spc.uchicago dot edu>
       Thu, 09 Aug 2001 08:40:40 -0500
 21. Re: vacation notice and attachments and Wintels
       Charles L. Martin <clmartin at theombudsman dot com>
       Thu, 9 Aug 2001 11:52:01 -0400
 22. Re: Another question about List Admin by email
       Charles L. Martin <clmartin at theombudsman dot com>
       Thu, 9 Aug 2001 14:34:41 -0400
 23. Re: Large lists - choking EIMS and yahoo
       "Terry R. Schussler" <terry at trevimedia dot com>
       Thu, 9 Aug 2001 12:40:09 -0700
 24. Not really an AutoShare thing
       Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
       Thu, 9 Aug 2001 19:42:56 -0700
 25. autoreplies unreliable
       Derek Tom <derek at bbdo.com dot hk>
       Fri, 10 Aug 2001 12:07:10 +0800
 26. Re: Large lists - choking EIMS and yahoo
       Hans Eriksson <hans at pulver dot com>
       Fri, 10 Aug 2001 13:33:52 +0200
 27. Re: Large lists - choking EIMS and yahoo
       "Terry R. Schussler" <terry at trevimedia dot com>
       Fri, 10 Aug 2001 06:44:34 -0700
 28. Digests sent by size
       Jeff Polasek <j-polasek at tamu dot edu>
       Sat, 11 Aug 2001 20:55:19 -0500
 29. Multiple Domain Question
       Shawn Connelly <sconnelly at hyper-systems dot com>
       Sun, 12 Aug 2001 16:49:11 -0600
 30. Re: autoreplies unreliable
       Derek Tom <derek at bbdo.com dot hk>
       Thu, 23 Aug 2001 16:12:33 +0800
 31. AutoShare & SIMS ?
       Eric Charikane <charikane at ecrin.asso dot fr>
       Fri, 24 Aug 2001 09:47:30 +0200
 32. Tip of the Day problem
       Tom Rule <trule at server.mds.macon.ga dot us>
       Fri, 24 Aug 2001 08:14:36 -0400 (EDT)
 33. Re: AutoShare & SIMS ?
       Tod Fitch <tod at FitchDesign dot com> (by way of Tod Fitch <Tod at FitchDesign dot com>)
       Fri, 24 Aug 2001 07:24:22 -0700
 34. Re: AutoShare & SIMS ?
       Eric Charikane <charikane at ecrin.asso dot fr>
       Fri, 24 Aug 2001 16:31:26 +0200
 35. Re: AutoShare & SIMS ?
       Mark Hartman <mh-list at harthaven dot com>
       Fri, 24 Aug 2001 08:42:25 -0700
 36. Re: AutoShare & SIMS ?
       David Graham <dgraham at pwiworks dot org>
       Fri, 24 Aug 2001 10:09:27 -0700
 37. Re: AutoShare & SIMS ?
       Bill Bedford <billb at mousa.demon.co dot uk>
       Fri, 24 Aug 2001 20:24:05 +0100
 38. Re: AutoShare & SIMS ?
       Bill Bedford <billb at mousa.demon.co dot uk>
       Fri, 24 Aug 2001 20:17:32 +0100
 39. Re: AutoShare & SIMS ?
       David Graham <dgraham at pwiworks dot org>
       Fri, 24 Aug 2001 16:22:28 -0700
 40. Re: AutoShare & SIMS ?
       Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
       Fri, 24 Aug 2001 19:11:44 -0700
 41. Re: AutoShare & SIMS ?
       Bill Bedford <billb at mousa.demon.co dot uk>
       Sat, 25 Aug 2001 09:13:00 +0100
 42. Re: AutoShare & SIMS ? [SUMMARY?]
       David Graham <dgraham at pwiworks dot org>
       Mon, 27 Aug 2001 08:52:16 -0700
 43. Moving/copying subscribers to a new list
       "Terry R. Schussler" <terry at trevimedia dot com>
       Wed, 29 Aug 2001 12:00:02 -0700
 44. Recommended time slice settings
       "Terry R. Schussler" <terry at trevimedia dot com>
       Wed, 29 Aug 2001 11:58:22 -0700
 45. RE: Moving/copying subscribers to a new list
       Chuck Boody <chuck_boody at hopkins.k12.mn dot us>
       29 Aug 01 15:11:31 -0500
 46. RE: Moving/copying subscribers to a new list
       "Terry R. Schussler" <terry at trevimedia dot com>
       Wed, 29 Aug 2001 13:31:45 -0700
 47. Database format
       Tom Rule <trule at server.mds.macon.ga dot us>
       Thu, 30 Aug 2001 08:45:08 -0400 (EDT)
 48. Blank or munged Vacation Notice reply to mail w/attachments
       Sam King <Sam at musiccentre dot ca>
       Mon, 10 Sep 2001 13:55:48 -0400
 49. Blank or munged Vacation Notice reply to mail w/attachments
       Sam King <Sam at musiccentre dot ca>
       Mon, 10 Sep 2001 14:34:01 -0400
 50. Mailing lists based on alternate domains
       Mark Hartman <mh-list at harthaven dot com>
       Sat, 15 Sep 2001 07:27:06 -0700

Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 10:53:52 -0400
From: KMF-MIS <mis at kubotametal dot com>
Subject: vacation notice and attachments and Wintels

Hi,

I am running a vacation notice service using AS 4.2.3 and EIMS 3.0.3 
and everything works fine until a person using a Windows OS machine 
(and the world is full of them) sends an e-mail with an attachment 
(an unfortunately frequent occurrence).

A Wintel sending an attachment gets back a totally garbled and 
useless version of the vacation message. I tested this using Eudora 5 
(sponsored) on a NT4 machine and the attachment MIME encoded and what 
I had heard was unfortunately true :-(

The same attachment (apple double, include Mac info) sent from a Mac 
OS9.1 machine using Eudora 5 (paid) results in the correct vacation 
message being returned.

Can someone tell me how to correct this problem before I have to 
cancel the vacation service, or could Mikael maybe correct the 
problem if it is within AS rather than my settings?

TIA and I can forward a copy of the garbled reply to MH if it would 
help resolve this promptly.

James
_____________________________________________________________
MIS Department                       <mailto:mis at kubotametal dot com>
Kubota Metal Corporation                      (705) 325-2781 x322
25 Commerce Road                          Fax (705) 325-5887
Orillia, Ontario L3V 6L6	<http://www.kubotametal.com>

Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:40:50 -0700
From: Vince <vince at wino dot com>
Subject: From address modification

Is it possible to have the From:address that is listed in an email 
sent through an autoshare list to appear as the "name" that is stored 
in autoshare instead of the from address that comes from the sender.

Example:

A sender from AOL sends a message to the list, it forwards to the list as
From: XYZZ123 at AOL dot com
This user is known to autoshare as XYZZ123 at aol dot com "Joe Blow"
It would be nicer to have the list mail forward as:
From: Joe Blow, like it does from Outlook and Eudora users who have 
properly set up their email clients to reflect their name in the from 
header instead of their email address.

I did not see an obvious setting in the admin, but I'm also being a 
bit lazy in hopes that another user, or Mikael has the answer :)

Thanks,

Vince


Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 14:55:52 +1200
From: Owen Watson <owen.watson at paradise.net dot nz>
Subject: Autoshare Admin unable to quit

Have others had my experience of finding it impossible to quit, even 
using something like Process Watcher, especially after on AS error 
within the Admin program? (yes, I've installed the 3.52 Facespan 
extension)

It doesn't freeze the Mac, it just refuses to quit (or show any 
dialogs within Admin).

Not often you have to ask programmers to make their programs a little 
less tenacious. . .
-- 
--Owen Watson
--at home in Wellington, New Zealand
--Don't reply to erewhon at rsnz.govt dot nz
--

Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 10:00:14 -0500
From: Eric Enwall <elenwall at chemdept.chem.ou dot edu>
Subject: ICAP;internetconfiglib

I am new to the list, and have been unable to find an answer in the 
archives. Trying to run 4.2.2 under MacOS 7.5.5 (as the docs list as 
viable) the program aborts with an error; cannot find 
ICAP;internetconfiglib. This looks to be a Carbon call to me. That 
would imply requiring a much later OS .
Is there a viable release for 7.5.5 -- I am most interested in 
vacation replies at this moment.

I could not access the other releases on the meh iDisk URL. There may 
be some contribution to that problem from the DDOS attack we are 
presently weathering on campus.
-- 
--
Eric-Enwall at ou dot edu
Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry, University of Oklahoma, 
Norman Campus.  Norman Oklahoma 73019-0370
(405) 325-7571   (405) 325-2843  fax (405) 325-6111


Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 09:57:52 -0700
From: David Graham <dgraham at pwiworks dot org>
Subject: Re: Autoshare Admin unable to quit

At 2:55 PM +1200 7/19/01, Owen Watson wrote:
>Have others had my experience of finding it impossible to quit, even using something like Process Watcher, especially after on AS error within the Admin program? (yes, I've installed the 3.52 Facespan extension)
>
>It doesn't freeze the Mac, it just refuses to quit (or show any dialogs within Admin).
>
>Not often you have to ask programmers to make their programs a little less tenacious. . .

FWIW... I found that the Admin freezes if I try to use Command-Tab to switch between open programs. In every case it requires a force quit to get out of it.
-- 


David Graham, MIS Manager/Webmaster
Partnerships With Industry
7540 Metropolitan Dr., #105
San Diego, CA 92108

Phone: 619.681.1999
http://www.pwiworks.org

"We assist persons with disabilities to work in the community"

Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 09:59:47 -0700
From: David Graham <dgraham at pwiworks dot org>
Subject: Re: ICAP;internetconfiglib

At 10:00 AM -0500 7/20/01, Eric Enwall wrote:
>I am new to the list, and have been unable to find an answer in the archives. Trying to run 4.2.2 under MacOS 7.5.5 (as the docs list as viable) the program aborts with an error; cannot find ICAP;internetconfiglib. This looks to be a Carbon call to me
hat would imply requiring a much later OS .
>Is there a viable release for 7.5.5 -- I am most interested in vacation replies at this moment.

Which version of Open Transport are you running?

>I could not access the other releases on the meh iDisk URL. There may be some contribution to that problem from the DDOS attack we are presently weathering on campus.

Not likely unless they are running a IIS server. The current attacks only affect the Micro$oft crap, like usual.

- Dave
-- 


David Graham, MIS Manager/Webmaster
Partnerships With Industry
7540 Metropolitan Dr., #105
San Diego, CA 92108

Phone: 619.681.1999
http://www.pwiworks.org

"We assist persons with disabilities to work in the community"

Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 23:09:22 -0700
From: Jerry Tangren <tangren at wsu dot edu>
Subject: Re: ICAP;internetconfiglib

At 09:59 AM 7/20/2001 -0700, you wrote:
>At 10:00 AM -0500 7/20/01, Eric Enwall wrote:
> >I am new to the list, and have been unable to find an answer in the 
> archives. Trying to run 4.2.2 under MacOS 7.5.5 (as the docs list as 
> viable) the program aborts with an error; cannot find 
> ICAP;internetconfiglib. This looks to be a Carbon call to me. T
>hat would imply requiring a much later OS .
> >Is there a viable release for 7.5.5 -- I am most interested in vacation 
> replies at this moment.
>
>Which version of Open Transport are you running

I'm having the same problems. Tried it yesterday--same message--trouble 
hitting the Internet for an answer because our university was weathering a 
DDOS attack.

To answer the question-- Open Transport 1.2



> >I could not access the other releases on the meh iDisk URL. There may be 
> some contribution to that problem from the DDOS attack we are presently 
> weathering on campus.
>
>Not likely unless they are running a IIS server. The current attacks only 
>affect the Micro$oft crap, like usual.


However, network security did inquire about our Mac EIMS server. 
Apparently, the connections to apparently random internet servers set off 
their alarms. No, it's not a Windows IIS server, it's an E-mail server 
running on a Mac.

--Jerry <tangren at wsu dot edu>
WSU-Tree Fruit Research & Extension Center


>- Dave
>--
>
>
>David Graham, MIS Manager/Webmaster
>Partnerships With Industry
>7540 Metropolitan Dr., #105
>San Diego, CA 92108
>
>Phone: 619.681.1999
>http://www.pwiworks.org
>
>"We assist persons with disabilities to work in the community"


Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 13:43:54 -0500
From: Eric Enwall <elenwall at chemdept.chem.ou dot edu>
Subject: Re: ICAP;internetconfiglib

>At 10:00 AM -0500 7/20/01, Eric Enwall wrote:
>>I am new to the list, and have been unable to find an answer in the 
>>archives. Trying to run 4.2.2 under MacOS 7.5.5 (as the docs list 
>>as viable) the program aborts with an error; cannot find 
>>ICAP;internetconfiglib. This looks to be a Carbon call to me. T
>hat would imply requiring a much later OS .
>>Is there a viable release for 7.5.5 -- I am most interested in 
>>vacation replies at this moment.
>
>Which version of Open Transport are you running?

1.1.2



>
>>I could not access the other releases on the meh iDisk URL. There 
>>may be some contribution to that problem from the DDOS attack we 
>>are presently weathering on campus.
>
>Not likely unless they are running a IIS server. The current attacks 
>only affect the Micro$oft crap, like usual.
>
>-
Except that it eats all the bandwidth which causes no end of timeout problems.
-- 
--
Eric-Enwall at ou dot edu
Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry, University of Oklahoma, 
Norman Campus.  Norman Oklahoma 73019-0370
(405) 325-7571   (405) 325-2843  fax (405) 325-6111


Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 14:33:37 -0700
From: David Graham <dgraham at pwiworks dot org>
Subject: Re: ICAP;internetconfiglib

At 1:43 PM -0500 7/20/01, Eric Enwall wrote:
>>Which version of Open Transport are you running?
>
>1.1.2

It turns out that you have a problem with Internet Config. Either the extension is missing, the preference file is corrupt, or the wrong version is installed. Try reinstalling.

<ftp://ftp.stairways.com/other/>

- Dave
-- 


David Graham, MIS Manager/Webmaster
Partnerships With Industry
7540 Metropolitan Dr., #105
San Diego, CA 92108

Phone: 619.681.1999
http://www.pwiworks.org

"We assist persons with disabilities to work in the community"

Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 14:25:14 -0400
From: KMF-MIS <mis at kubotametal dot com>
Subject: vacation notice and attachments and Wintels

Hi,

I am running a vacation notice service using AS 4.2.3 and EIMS 3.0.3
and everything works fine until a person using a Windows OS machine
(and the world is full of them) sends an e-mail with an attachment
(an unfortunately frequent occurrence).

A Wintel sending an attachment gets back a totally garbled and
useless version of the vacation message. I tested this using Eudora 5
(sponsored) on a NT4 machine and the attachment MIME encoded and what
I had heard was unfortunately true :-(

The same attachment (apple double, include Mac info) sent from a Mac
OS9.1 machine using Eudora 5 (paid) results in the correct vacation
message being returned.

Messages from Wintels without attachments result in the correct 
vacation message being returned, the problem appears to only be 
Wintels sending attachments, mail client on the Wintel doesn't appear 
to make a difference.

Can someone tell me how to correct this problem before I have to
cancel the vacation service, or could Mikael maybe correct the
problem if it is within AS rather than my settings?

TIA and I can forward a copy of the garbled reply to MH if it would
help resolve this promptly.

James
_____________________________________________________________
MIS Department                       <mailto:mis at kubotametal dot com>
Kubota Metal Corporation                      (705) 325-2781 x322
25 Commerce Road                          Fax (705) 325-5887
Orillia, Ontario L3V 6L6	<http://www.kubotametal.com>

Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 15:01:47 -0400
From: Hansen Ball <hball at atconf dot org>
Subject: Re: vacation notice and attachments and Wintels

>Hi,
>
>I am running a vacation notice service using AS 4.2.3 and EIMS 3.0.3
>and everything works fine until a person using a Windows OS machine
>(and the world is full of them) sends an e-mail with an attachment
>(an unfortunately frequent occurrence).
>
>A Wintel sending an attachment gets back a totally garbled and
>useless version of the vacation message. I tested this using Eudora 5
>(sponsored) on a NT4 machine and the attachment MIME encoded and what
>I had heard was unfortunately true :-(
>
>The same attachment (apple double, include Mac info) sent from a Mac
>OS9.1 machine using Eudora 5 (paid) results in the correct vacation
>message being returned.
>
>Messages from Wintels without attachments result in the correct
>vacation message being returned, the problem appears to only be
>Wintels sending attachments, mail client on the Wintel doesn't appear
>to make a difference.
>
>Can someone tell me how to correct this problem before I have to
>cancel the vacation service, or could Mikael maybe correct the
>problem if it is within AS rather than my settings?
>
>TIA and I can forward a copy of the garbled reply to MH if it would
>help resolve this promptly.
>
>James
>_____________________________________________________________
>MIS Department                       <mailto:mis at kubotametal dot com>
>Kubota Metal Corporation                      (705) 325-2781 x322
>25 Commerce Road                          Fax (705) 325-5887
>Orillia, Ontario L3V 6L6	<http://www.kubotametal.com>

James and Mikael -

Just wanted to add that I had seen this behavior, but only once.  I didn't
investigate as thoroughly as James - I'm a little prone to blaming Outlook
and then moving on.

Cheers,
Hansen

Hansen Ball, ATC Sysadmin
phone:  304 535-6331
FAX:    304 535-2667



Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 15:56:16 -0500
From: "Roger Palmer" <palmer-roger at chmail.spc.uchicago dot edu>
Subject: Administration by email

Hello all,

I hopefully have a quick question someone out there can answer. First of I 
am a newbie to Autoshare and
list servers in general so please bear with. My question is I am using the 
email list administration feature
to give list moderators a method to add people to the lists they control, 
and when they use the format:

password subscribe email@address list Firstname Lastname

The email address gets subscribed correctly but the Firsname Lastname pair 
does not work. Instead the lastname gets replaced by an = symbol. Any 
help on this would be greatly appreciated.

Also is there a way to send an email to the subscribee if they are 
subscribed by email administration?

Thanks.

Roger Palmer
Chapin Hall Center
University of Chicago
palmer-roger at chmail.spc.uchicago dot edu


Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 01:52:30 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: vacation notice and attachments and Wintels

At 15:01 -0400 7/27/2001, Hansen Ball wrote:

>  >I am running a vacation notice service using AS 4.2.3 and EIMS 3.0.3
>>and everything works fine until a person using a Windows OS machine
>>(and the world is full of them) sends an e-mail with an attachment
>  >(an unfortunately frequent occurrence).

[...]

>Just wanted to add that I had seen this behavior, but only once.  I didn't
>investigate as thoroughly as James - I'm a little prone to blaming Outlook
>and then moving on.

Ditto :-) You may want to try the /=header token, which excludes the body.


Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 01:54:02 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Administration by email

At 15:56 -0500 7/28/2001, Roger Palmer wrote:

>Hello all,
>
>I hopefully have a quick question someone out there can answer. 
>First of I am a newbie to Autoshare and list servers in general so 
>please bear with.

Welcome to the list!

>My question is I am using the email list administration feature
>to give list moderators a method to add people to the lists they 
>control, and when they use the format:
>
>password subscribe email@address list Firstname Lastname
>
>The email address gets subscribed correctly but the Firsname 
>Lastname pair does not work. Instead the lastname gets replaced by 
>an = symbol. Any help on this would be greatly appreciated.

It may help to turn off hard returns in your e-mail client. It's 
called word-wrap off in Eudora.

>Also is there a way to send an email to the subscribee if they are 
>subscribed by email administration?

No, administrative commands do not offer any such built-in support.

Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 11:01:21 -0700
From: Administrator <admin at aladdinsys dot com>
Subject: Re: Autoshare problem with MIME encoding for Entourage and OE

Hi there,

I am still trying to find a workaround for the problem with blank 
responses in Outlook/Entourage. I was reading the AutoShare 
documentation (when all else fails...) and found the following:

>>>
MIME RFC fields
AutoShare may be configured to use MIME Quoted-Printable encoding.

When the MIME property in the AppleScript Options (Misc) is set to 
Text Plain (default), the following MIME RFC field is inserted after 
the Mime-Version field:

      Content-Type: text/plain

And when the property is set to MIME QP or QP Always, the following 
MIME RFC fields are inserted after the Mime-Version header field:

      Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
      Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Mac-to-MIME conversion is applied accordingly in the body of the 
outgoing message.

MIME QP: The MIME property makes a difference for the outgoing 
message files that are originated by AutoShare and not directly 
derived from message files arriving in the Filed Mail folder (such as 
logs, digests and admin notifications). For list contributions and 
auto-responses, Mac-to-MIME conversion will depend on the MIME RFC 
fields of the original message as well; the Mac-to-MIME conversion 
does not take place unless the 'Content-Transfer-Encoding: 
quoted-printable' field is located (besides the MIME property being 
set to MIME QP).

QP Always: The MIME Quoted-Printable encoding takes place whether the 
message file is originated by AutoShare or not.
<<<

Can someone tell me how to implement these AppleScript Options with 
AutoShare? I'm hoping that I can turn on "QP Always" to get around 
the problem...I'm guessing that if AutoShare sends out all messages 
as Quoted Printable, then it will convert the response to MIME and 
there won't be any more blank message complaints. Alternatively, I 
could set it to "Text Plain" and force the proper header so 
Outlook/Entourage see a text message only...

--Eric Kopf
-- 
Administrator
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Aladdin Systems, Inc., 245 Westridge Drive, Watsonville, CA 95076
Phone: 831.761.6200,  Fax: 831.761.6206
Yeah, We're the StuffIt People...
_________________________________________________________________
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Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 10:21:18 -0400
From: KMF-MIS <mis at kubotametal dot com>
Subject: Re: vacation notice and attachments and Wintels

At 1:52 AM -0700 2001/7/30, Mikael Hansen wrote:
>At 15:01 -0400 7/27/2001, Hansen Ball wrote:
>
>>   >I am running a vacation notice service using AS 4.2.3 and EIMS 3.0.3
>>>and everything works fine until a person using a Windows OS machine
>>>(and the world is full of them) sends an e-mail with an attachment
>>   >(an unfortunately frequent occurrence).
>
>[...]
>
>>Just wanted to add that I had seen this behavior, but only once.  I didn't
>>investigate as thoroughly as James - I'm a little prone to blaming Outlook
>>and then moving on.
>
>Ditto :-)

Unfortunately, Outlook is not a player here

>You may want to try the /=header token, which excludes the body.

I tried that, it did not solve the problem and if anything, made the 
problem worse.

Again, does someone have a way to make this work so that I can use 
the vacation notice feature reliably?

Tia

James
_____________________________________________________________
MIS Department                       <mailto:mis at kubotametal dot com>
Kubota Metal Corporation                      (705) 325-2781 x322
25 Commerce Road                          Fax (705) 325-5887
Orillia, Ontario L3V 6L6	<http://www.kubotametal.com>

Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 20:16:50 +0100
From: Bill Bedford <billb at mousa.demon.co dot uk>
Subject: Re: vacation notice and attachments and Wintels

At 10:21 am -0400 07/08/01, KMF-MIS wrote:

>
>I tried that, it did not solve the problem and if anything, made the 
>problem worse.
>
>Again, does someone have a way to make this work so that I can use 
>the vacation notice feature reliably?


I have an applescript that strips out attachments.


Bill Bedford

It is traditional, when loading wire trolleys, to put the most fragile
items at the bottom.

Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 08:25:46 -0400
From: KMF-MIS <mis at kubotametal dot com>
Subject: Re: vacation notice and attachments and Wintels

At 8:16 PM +0100 2001/8/7, Bill Bedford wrote:
>At 10:21 am -0400 07/08/01, KMF-MIS wrote:
>
>>
>>I tried that, it did not solve the problem and if anything, made the
>>problem worse.
>>
>>Again, does someone have a way to make this work so that I can use
>>the vacation notice feature reliably?
>
>I have an applescript that strips out attachments.

Thanx for your kind offer but I don't think this is what I want.

The original recipient needs to receive the attachment, the person 
receiving a forward of the message needs to receive the attachment 
and these both occur, what I need is for the person (Wintel user) 
sending the attachment to receive the vacation notification in a 
format they can read.

James
_____________________________________________________________
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Kubota Metal Corporation                      (705) 325-2781 x322
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Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 23:36:06 +0200
From: Hans Eriksson <hans at pulver dot com>
Subject: Large lists - choking EIMS and yahoo

Hi,

I have a list of more than 14k entries. It is working fine (well, the 
system hangs every other day, though) but it chokes yahoo.

There are about 4000 yahoo users on that list and when EIMS 3.0 wants 
to send the mail, yahoo complains that there are too many RCTs 
(recipients) and then it bounces. It results in 4k bounce files for 
AutoShare to chew on. 4000 files in a directory on a Mac is 
sloooooooow.

EIMS cannot be configured to send the mail in chunks of say 500 that 
yahoo could take without choking. Is there a way I can get around 
this in AutoShare? Have several sublists? AutoShare generate 14k 
mails instead of one mail to the list.m address?

So far I am planning on downgrading to EIMS 1.3 which will send one 
mail, one SMTP transfer for every user. Sloooow but I guess it will 
work.

Anyone got any better ideas?

/Hans

Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 08:40:40 -0500
From: "Roger Palmer" <palmer-roger at chmail.spc.uchicago dot edu>
Subject: Another question about List Admin by email

I know that subscribers can chain commands in an email. Does this also 
work when administering a list by email? TIA.

Roger Palmer
Chapin Hall Center
University of Chicago
1313 E. 60th St.
Chicago, IL 60637


Subject: Re: vacation notice and attachments and Wintels
Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 11:52:01 -0400
From: Charles L. Martin <clmartin at theombudsman dot com>

I would like your Applescript if it strips out all attachments. I have 
wanted to do that, but didn't know how, as AS's method is successful only 
about half the time.

On 8/8/01 8:25 AM, KMF-MIS said:

>At 8:16 PM +0100 2001/8/7, Bill Bedford wrote:
>>At 10:21 am -0400 07/08/01, KMF-MIS wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>I tried that, it did not solve the problem and if anything, made the
>>>problem worse.
>>>
>>>Again, does someone have a way to make this work so that I can use
>>>the vacation notice feature reliably?
>>
>>I have an applescript that strips out attachments.
>
>Thanx for your kind offer but I don't think this is what I want.


Charles L. Martin
clmartin at theOmbudsman dot com
http://www.theOmbudsman.com/Martin_Law/
123 N. McDonough St.
Decatur, GA 30030
404-373-3116, FAX 801-881-1246

Alice: "The King seems so prejudiced."
King: "Thank you Alice. That¹s what makes me so eminently qualified to be
 
Judge."
Alice in Wonderland, Lewis Carroll


Subject: Re: Another question about List Admin by email
Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 14:34:41 -0400
From: Charles L. Martin <clmartin at theombudsman dot com>

AS will interpret each line beginning with the administrator password as 
a command until it reaches a line which is not a valid command.

On 8/9/01 9:40 AM, Roger Palmer said:

>I know that subscribers can chain commands in an email. Does this also 
>work when administering a list by email? TIA.


Charles L. Martin
clmartin at theOmbudsman dot com
http://www.theOmbudsman.com/Martin_Law/
123 N. McDonough St.
Decatur, GA 30030
404-373-3116, FAX 801-881-1246

Alice: "The King seems so prejudiced."
King: "Thank you Alice. That¹s what makes me so eminently qualified to be
 
Judge."
Alice in Wonderland, Lewis Carroll


Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 12:40:09 -0700
From: "Terry R. Schussler" <terry at trevimedia dot com>
Subject: Re: Large lists - choking EIMS and yahoo

At 11:36 PM +0200 8/8/01, Hans Eriksson wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I have a list of more than 14k entries. It is working fine (well, the
>system hangs every other day, though) but it chokes yahoo.
>
>There are about 4000 yahoo users on that list and when EIMS 3.0 wants
>to send the mail, yahoo complains that there are too many RCTs
>(recipients) and then it bounces. It results in 4k bounce files for
>AutoShare to chew on. 4000 files in a directory on a Mac is
>sloooooooow.
>
>EIMS cannot be configured to send the mail in chunks of say 500 that
>yahoo could take without choking. Is there a way I can get around
>this in AutoShare? Have several sublists? AutoShare generate 14k
>mails instead of one mail to the list.m address?
>
>So far I am planning on downgrading to EIMS 1.3 which will send one
>mail, one SMTP transfer for every user. Sloooow but I guess it will
>work.

Hans:

I had the same problem. Mikael Hansen added a feature to 4.2.2/4.2.3 to
address this.  Here's the relevant post with the details:

At 9:48 PM -0800 3/5/01, Mikael Hansen wrote:
>Okay, I have come up with the Split Mail AppleScript command, which
>takes one EIMS message file with an SMTP envelope recipient of a list
>file and expands it into several EIMS message files, each having a
>given number of SMTP envelope recipients.
>
>You would want to create a scenario where AutoShare's Incoming Mail
>folder path reflects a new folder, let's say it's named Split. Your
>AppleScript can then use the Split Mail command on any file that
>arrives in your Split folder. A Folder Action would be a good way of
>applying your AppleScript, I guess. So while the From Path is the
>Split folder, the To Path can be the Incoming Mail folder.
>
>The Split Mail command is pretty simple too.
>
>tell application "AutoShare"
>   Split Mail From Path "disk:Split:file"
>              To Path "disk:Incoming Mail"
>              countIndex 100
>end tell
>
>You are very much encouraged to test this before using it seriously,
>as I have only tested it with a low number of subscribers and in a
>very quiet environment. The biggest thing to watch out for is the
>return value being the number of output files. If it's not zero, it
>reflects the number of files created, and you can likely delete the
>input file. If zero, the input file should likely be moved into the
>Incoming Mail folder.
>
>As there have over the years been a number of requests to have list
>contributions be mailed individually to subscribers, I suppose I'll
>have to add a property some day, so that each subscriber's name can
>be inserted into the respective message.

Due to some other issues, I did not get to try this out yet.  I've routed
all of my outbound mail traffic around my ISP by sending direct to
recipients instead of using the ISP as a relay.  This sucks of course.
Please let me know if you are successful using the AppleScript Split Mail
feature.

Regards,
-- 

...---===|  Terry R. Schussler  |===---...
...---===|  Chief Investigator  |===---...

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Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 19:42:56 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Not really an AutoShare thing

but II III, Computer Security and Human Insecurity, is at

   <http://www.dnai.com/~meh/interviews/>

Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 12:07:10 +0800
From: Derek Tom <derek at bbdo.com dot hk>
Subject: autoreplies unreliable

Sometimes it returns an empty autoreply message or (like today for 1 
user) only the last 2 lines of the message. This is after I had 
tested the autoreply last night and it worked.

Actually, I have had this problem using different versions of 
AutoShare and on different hardware and OS versions over the past few 
years. I'm currently using AutoShare 4.2 on a Mac OS 09.1 machine 
although I don't think that matters.

Any ideas?

Thanks,
Derek
-- 
Derek Tom
IT Director, Asia
BBDO Asia Pacific, Hong Kong
tel: 852.9017.3050
email: derek at bbdo.com dot hk
web: http://www.derektom.com

Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 13:33:52 +0200
From: Hans Eriksson <hans at pulver dot com>
Subject: Re: Large lists - choking EIMS and yahoo

Terry,

thanks for the info but I think I pass that. With 14k real users I 
need to be careful.

My current setup with the old EMIS 1.3.1 works OK but it does not 
scale that much further.

Mikael, whenever you get that feature done that sends one mail for 
each list-member, you will at least have one happy user!

/hans


At 12.40 -0700 01-08-09, Terry R. Schussler wrote:
>At 11:36 PM +0200 8/8/01, Hans Eriksson wrote:
>>Hi,
>>
>>I have a list of more than 14k entries. It is working fine (well, the
>>system hangs every other day, though) but it chokes yahoo.
>>
>>There are about 4000 yahoo users on that list and when EIMS 3.0 wants
>>to send the mail, yahoo complains that there are too many RCTs
>>(recipients) and then it bounces. It results in 4k bounce files for
>>AutoShare to chew on. 4000 files in a directory on a Mac is
>>sloooooooow.
>>
>>EIMS cannot be configured to send the mail in chunks of say 500 that
>>yahoo could take without choking. Is there a way I can get around
>>this in AutoShare? Have several sublists? AutoShare generate 14k
>>mails instead of one mail to the list.m address?
>>
>>So far I am planning on downgrading to EIMS 1.3 which will send one
>>mail, one SMTP transfer for every user. Sloooow but I guess it will
>>work.
>
>Hans:
>
>I had the same problem. Mikael Hansen added a feature to 4.2.2/4.2.3 to
>address this.  Here's the relevant post with the details:
>
>At 9:48 PM -0800 3/5/01, Mikael Hansen wrote:
>>Okay, I have come up with the Split Mail AppleScript command, which
>>takes one EIMS message file with an SMTP envelope recipient of a list
>>file and expands it into several EIMS message files, each having a
>>given number of SMTP envelope recipients.
>>
>>You would want to create a scenario where AutoShare's Incoming Mail
>>folder path reflects a new folder, let's say it's named Split. Your
>>AppleScript can then use the Split Mail command on any file that
>>arrives in your Split folder. A Folder Action would be a good way of
>>applying your AppleScript, I guess. So while the From Path is the
>>Split folder, the To Path can be the Incoming Mail folder.
>>
>>The Split Mail command is pretty simple too.
>>
>>tell application "AutoShare"
>>    Split Mail From Path "disk:Split:file"
>>               To Path "disk:Incoming Mail"
>>               countIndex 100
>>end tell
>>
>>You are very much encouraged to test this before using it seriously,
>>as I have only tested it with a low number of subscribers and in a
>>very quiet environment. The biggest thing to watch out for is the
>>return value being the number of output files. If it's not zero, it
>>reflects the number of files created, and you can likely delete the
>>input file. If zero, the input file should likely be moved into the
>>Incoming Mail folder.
>>
>>As there have over the years been a number of requests to have list
>  >contributions be mailed individually to subscribers, I suppose I'll
>  >have to add a property some day, so that each subscriber's name can
>  >be inserted into the respective message.
>
>Due to some other issues, I did not get to try this out yet.  I've routed
>all of my outbound mail traffic around my ISP by sending direct to
>recipients instead of using the ISP as a relay.  This sucks of course.
>Please let me know if you are successful using the AppleScript Split Mail
>feature.
>
>Regards,
>--
>
>...---===|  Terry R. Schussler  |===---...
>...---===|  Chief Investigator  |===---...
>
>on accessResources
>   coolSites = [ \
>     "http://macromediaSEMINARS.com/", "http://directorU.com", \
>     "http://multiuserU.com", "http://flash5U.com", \
>     "http://dreamweaverU.com", "http://behaviors.com/" ]
>   gotoNetPage coolSites[random(1, 6)]
>end accessResources


Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 06:44:34 -0700
From: "Terry R. Schussler" <terry at trevimedia dot com>
Subject: Re: Large lists - choking EIMS and yahoo

At 1:33 PM +0200 8/10/01, Hans Eriksson wrote:
>Terry,
>
>thanks for the info but I think I pass that. With 14k real users I
>need to be careful.
>
>My current setup with the old EMIS 1.3.1 works OK but it does not
>scale that much further.
>
>Mikael, whenever you get that feature done that sends one mail for
>each list-member, you will at least have one happy user!

Or better yet, just implement a field to automatic the Split Mail
functionality.

Either way, I'll be even happier than I am now (which is pretty darn happy
thanks to Mikael.)

Regards,
-- 

...---===|  Terry R. Schussler  |===---...
...---===|  Chief Investigator  |===---...

on accessResources
  coolSites = [ \
    "http://macromediaSEMINARS.com/", "http://directorU.com", \
    "http://multiuserU.com", "http://flash5U.com", \
    "http://dreamweaverU.com", "http://behaviors.com/" ]
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Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 20:55:19 -0500
From: Jeff Polasek <j-polasek at tamu dot edu>
Subject: Digests sent by size

Howdy,

I am looking at changing my list server program to autoshare.  I have 
been going through the documentation and old autoshare list digests

I have a high volume list (100+) messages a day.  I would like to 
send out digests based on the digest size, not time.  Is there a way 
to do this?

Thanks

Jeff Polasek
-- 

Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 16:49:11 -0600
Subject: Multiple Domain Question
From: Shawn Connelly <sconnelly at hyper-systems dot com>

I have just set up one of my list on another domain. I'm having a problem
with the digest and monthly files going out addressed on the default domain,
instead of out through the non-default domain.

Has anyone run into this before?
-- 
Shawn Connelly, President, hyperSystems, Inc.
sconnelly at hyper-systems dot com




Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 16:12:33 +0800
From: Derek Tom <derek at bbdo.com dot hk>
Subject: Re: autoreplies unreliable

>Sometimes it returns an empty autoreply message or (like today for 1 
>user) only the last 2 lines of the message. This is after I had 
>tested the autoreply last night and it worked.
>
>Actually, I have had this problem using different versions of 
>AutoShare and on different hardware and OS versions over the past 
>few years. I'm currently using AutoShare 4.2 on a Mac OS 09.1 
>machine although I don't think that matters.
>
>Any ideas?


The autoreply is supposed to be this:

=======
>To: Derek Tom <derek1 at bbdo.com dot hk>
>From: Peter Wilker <abc at bbdo.com dot hk>
>Subject: autoreply test - please ignore (again!)
>Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 15:36:23 +0800
>
>I am on leave in the U.K. returning to Hong Kong on the 30 August.
>
>I can be contacted through Ashley Wong at e-mail:
>ashley1.wong at bbdo.com dot hk/phone: (852) 2820 1888 for urgent matters.
>
>Best regards,
>
>Peter
=======

But instead, shows up like this:

=======
>To: Teresa Wan <teresa1.wan at bbdo.com dot hk>
>From: abc at bbdo.com dot hk
>Subject: Re: Hong Kong - YTD July 2001
>Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 15:21:24 +0800
>List-Software: AutoShare 4.2 by Mikael Hansen
>
>I am on leave in the U.K. returning to Hong Kong on the 30 August.
>¿X€
>
>am on leave in the U.K. returning to Hong Kong on the 30 August.
>¿X€
>I can be contacted through Ashley Wong at e-mail:
>  the 30 August.
>¿X€
>ashley1.wong at bbdo.com dot hk/phone: (852) 2820 1888 for urgent matters.
>¿X€
>
>hley.wong at bbdo.com dot hk/phone: (852) 2820 1888 for urgent matters.
>¿X€
>Best regards,
>o.com.hk/phone: (852) 2820 1888 for urgent matters.
>¿X€
>
>st regards,
>o.com.hk/phone: (852) 2820 1888 for urgent matters.
>¿X€
>Peter
>gards,
>o.com.hk/phone: (852) 2820 1888 for urgent matters.
>¿X€
=======

Quitting and relaunching AutoShare fixes the problem temporarily... 
until it crops up again.

Will rebuilding the Mac's desktop database file fix this more 
permanently or is it a bug in AutoShare?

Thanks for any insight!

Best regards,
Derek

Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 09:47:30 +0200
From: Eric Charikane <charikane at ecrin.asso dot fr>
Subject: AutoShare & SIMS ?

Hello,
Is there a way to use AutoShare with SIMS ? And if so, is there any usefull URL ?
Many Thanks,
Eric

Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 08:14:36 -0400 (EDT)
From: Tom Rule <trule at server.mds.macon.ga dot us>
Subject: Tip of the Day problem

I'm trying to setup a tip of the day list for our teachers - I want to
have 2 or 3 of us able to submit.

I've got the list setup - EIMS accounts are correctly setup (according
to the instructions). I can submit, and it apparently is being received
(Any way I can tell for sure?)


Nothing is ever sent out.

If it makes a difference, I subscribed the users myself using Admin.

3 questions: Where do I begin to check to see what's wrong?
Which database format is best to use? (It's on Default right now)
Does anybody have a quick checklist up on the web that lists the steps for
setting up a particular kind of list using Autoshare? (Like this: 1. EIMS
accounts - this name, this setting, that name, that setting. 2. Autoshare
- etc. etc.)


TIA!


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us."
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Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 07:24:22 -0700
From: Tod Fitch <tod at FitchDesign dot com> (by way of Tod Fitch <Tod at FitchDesign dot com>)
Subject: Re: AutoShare & SIMS ?

Yes. I have been using SIMS and Autoshare for a couple of years now.

However, when I set it up the documentation I found was pretty slim and it 
took a bit of interpreting to figure out the scheme. Since I have not 
looked in well over a year, I don't know if the documentation has improved.


>Hello,
>Is there a way to use AutoShare with SIMS ? And if so, is there any 
>usefull URL ?
>Many Thanks,
>Eric



Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 16:31:26 +0200
From: Eric Charikane <charikane at ecrin.asso dot fr>
Subject: Re: AutoShare & SIMS ?

Hello Tod, tkx for your answer,

> Yes. I have been using SIMS and Autoshare for a couple of years now.

Good

> However, when I set it up the documentation I found was pretty slim and it
> took a bit of interpreting to figure out the scheme. 

Yes, I see what you mean ...

>Since I have not looked in well over a year, I don't know if the documentation has improved.

I think not. Do have anything that could help me ?

Regards,
Eric

Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 08:42:25 -0700
From: Mark Hartman <mh-list at harthaven dot com>
Subject: Re: AutoShare & SIMS ?

>Hello,
>Is there a way to use AutoShare with SIMS ? And if so, is there any
>usefull URL ?
>Many Thanks,
>Eric

Here's a quick overview of how to set up AutoShare with SIMS:

Creating the basic mailing list

(The name of the list will be assumed to be "the-list".)

1.  Create the following SIMS accounts.  All should be enabled,
    with login disabled and "Copy Original Return-Path" turned
    on.  In addition, the following characteristics apply to
    individual accounts:

                                 Mirror Mail to
                                  Distribution
                     Store Mail:      List

     the-list         in folder*       No
     the-list-sub     in folder        No
     the-list-unsub   in folder        No
     the-list.d       discard          Yes
     the-list.m       discard          Yes

    (* If you want to keep track of the spam sent to the
       list without bothering your list members with it,
       set this to "folder and mailbox" and review the
       mailbox periodically.)

2.  Delete the file called "the-list dot m@L" in the Accounts
    folder within the SIMS folder.

3.  For the list of "each message" subscribers, create a file
    called "the-list.m" in the LS folder within the AutoShare
    folder, and write a line for each subscriber:

    e-mail-address (user-name..z)

    where z is ruled by the following list of codes:

     0: concealed (if visible, then no 0)
     1: digest (if messages, then no 1)
     2: no mail (if mail, then no 2)
     3: acknowledgement (if not, then no 3)
     4: not allowed to post (if post, then no 4)

    (I usually use a default of "034" since most of my
    lists are announce-only; a list to which subscribers can
    post should probably be "03".)

4.  Make an alias to this file in the Accounts folder within
    the SIMS folder, and name that alias "the-list dot m@L".

5.  Delete the file called "the-list dot d@L" in the Accounts
    folder within the SIMS folder.

6.  For the list of "digest only" subscribers, create a file
    called "the-list.d" in the LS folder within the AutoShare
    folder, and write a line for each subscriber:

    e-mail-address (user-name..z)

    where z is ruled by the following list of codes:

     0: concealed (if visible, then no 0)
     1: digest (if messages, then no 1)
     2: no mail (if mail, then no 2)
     3: acknowledgement (if not, then no 3)
     4: not allowed to post (if post, then no 4)

    (I usually use a default of "0134" since most of my
    lists are announce-only; a list to which subscribers can
    post should probably be "013".)

7.  Make an alias to this file in the Accounts folder within
    the SIMS folder, and name that alias "the-list dot d@L".

8.  Make an alias to the Filed Mail folder within the AutoShare
    folder.  Put three copies of this alias into the Accounts
    folder within the SIMS folder, and name them "the-list@F",
    "the-list-sub@F" and "the-list-unsub@F".

9.  Merge the "each message" and "digest only" lists and put
    them into a file called "the-list" in the LS folder within
    the AutoShare folder.  (Just putting one at the end of the
    other works fine; AutoShare will sort it.)

10. Quit and restart AutoShare to create settings and sort the
    list.





Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 10:09:27 -0700
From: David Graham <dgraham at pwiworks dot org>
Subject: Re: AutoShare & SIMS ?

At 9:47 AM +0200 8/24/01, Eric Charikane wrote:
>Is there a way to use AutoShare with SIMS ? And if so, is there any usefull URL ?

I finally went back to EIMS since you can't have automatic bounce processing with SIMS. I inquired as to a fix for this but I didn't get the impression that he was willing to fix it.

- Dave
-- 


David Graham, MIS Manager/Webmaster
Partnerships With Industry
7540 Metropolitan Dr., #105
San Diego, CA 92108

Phone: 619.681.1999
http://www.pwiworks.org

"We assist persons with disabilities to work in the community"

Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 20:24:05 +0100
From: Bill Bedford <billb at mousa.demon.co dot uk>
Subject: Re: AutoShare & SIMS ?

At 8:42 am -0700 24/08/01, Mark Hartman wrote:

>>Hello,
>>Is there a way to use AutoShare with SIMS ? And if so, is there any
>>usefull URL ?
>>Many Thanks,
>>Eric
>
>Here's a quick overview of how to set up AutoShare with SIMS:
>
>Creating the basic mailing list
>
>(The name of the list will be assumed to be "the-list".)
>
>1.  Create the following SIMS accounts.  All should be enabled,
>     with login disabled and "Copy Original Return-Path" turned
>     on.  In addition, the following characteristics apply to
>     individual accounts:
>
>                                  Mirror Mail to
>                                   Distribution
>                      Store Mail:      List
>
>      the-list         in folder*       No
>      the-list-sub     in folder        No
>      the-list-unsub   in folder        No
>      the-list.d       discard          Yes
>      the-list.m       discard          Yes

You also want

	Autoshare     in folder        No
	Autoshare_out     in folder        No  (Or whatever you call your 
bounce address)


These two should also be aliases to the filed mail folder and named 
Autoshare@F and Autoshare_out@F


Bill Bedford

The person on the other side was a young woman.  Very obviously a
young woman.  There was no possible way that she could have been
mistaken for a young man in any language, especially Braille.

Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 20:17:32 +0100
From: Bill Bedford <billb at mousa.demon.co dot uk>
Subject: Re: AutoShare & SIMS ?

At 10:09 am -0700 24/08/01, David Graham wrote:

>At 9:47 AM +0200 8/24/01, Eric Charikane wrote:
>>Is there a way to use AutoShare with SIMS ? And if so, is there any 
>>usefull URL ?
>
>I finally went back to EIMS since you can't have automatic bounce 
>processing with SIMS.

News to me -- and I've been using SIMS and Autoshare for 5 years, 
perhaps it's your set up.


Bill Bedford

The person on the other side was a young woman.  Very obviously a
young woman.  There was no possible way that she could have been
mistaken for a young man in any language, especially Braille.

Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 16:22:28 -0700
From: David Graham <dgraham at pwiworks dot org>
Subject: Re: AutoShare & SIMS ?

At 8:17 PM +0100 8/24/01, Bill Bedford wrote:
>News to me -- and I've been using SIMS and Autoshare for 5 years, perhaps it's your set up.

Well, Mikael seems to think that it's a SIMS problem.

I wrote...
>>The bounce message arrives in the proper folder and is processed by Autoshare but the recipient is not removed from the list. I have bounce processing turned on, and hard unsubscribe is turned on. I'm assuming that a hard unsubscribe should automa
y
>>remove bounces that fail with a "550 Unknown user" message - is this correct?
>
>That is basically correct, although a 550 line tends to include the e-mail address in question, which AutoShare needs.

SIMS does include the address, just not on the same line. Neither does EIMS for that matter, which leads me to question why Mikael even put the hard bounce feature in!?!? If neither mail server supported by AutoShare gives the info in the proper format th
en what good is the feature?

I went on to write ...
>>Content-Type: multipart/report; report-type=delivery-status;
>> boundary="_=receipt=_=41344=_"
>
>If I remember correctly (but I'm still in a Rip Van Winkle mode, so please forgive me). Randy who knows about those things once suggested to me that "multipart/report; report-type=delivery-status;" bounces should not really be treated as bounces and a
uch be excempt from bounce handling. Randy?

If you are ever in need of some confusion, all you need to do is read one of those RFC documents. :-)  Well I did read the relevant RFC and it certainly seems to me that "multipart/report; report-type=delivery-status;" is a valid Content-Type for bounces,
 so what do I do now? And better yet, why haven't you gotten the same results?

So I never did get the hard bounce thing working on either mail server, but at least the soft bounces worked OK in EIMS as a result of the different Content-Type used in the bounce message. If you have any suggestions I would love to hear 'em.

- Dave
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Partnerships With Industry
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San Diego, CA 92108

Phone: 619.681.1999
http://www.pwiworks.org

"We assist persons with disabilities to work in the community"

Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 19:11:44 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: AutoShare & SIMS ?

At 4:22 PM -0700 8/24/01, David Graham wrote:

>  >That is basically correct, although a 550 line tends to include 
>the e-mail address in question, which AutoShare needs.
>
>SIMS does include the address, just not on the same line. Neither 
>does EIMS for that matter, which leads me to question why Mikael 
>even put the hard bounce feature in!?!? If neither mail server 
>supported by AutoShare gives the info in the proper format then what 
>good is the feature?

The bounce is not created by your mail server receiving it. When that 
is said, bounce formats are not very standardized; you can easily 
wind up getting a bounce message from some mail server that doesn't 
tell you much.

Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 09:13:00 +0100
From: Bill Bedford <billb at mousa.demon.co dot uk>
Subject: Re: AutoShare & SIMS ?

At 4:22 pm -0700 24/08/01, David Graham wrote:

>
>SIMS does include the address, just not on the same line. Neither
>does EIMS for that matter, which leads me to question why Mikael
>even put the hard bounce feature in!?!? If neither mail server
>supported by AutoShare gives the info in the proper format then what
>good is the feature?


Err  not true, This is part of a typical SIMS bounce message.

>  Subject: Undeliverable mail: Re: [E4um] Ivatt 2-6-0
>  From: MAILER-DAEMON at mousa.demon.co dot uk
>  To: autoshare_out at mousa.demon.co dot uk
>  Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 10:03:26 +0100
>  Message-Id: <AUTOS.0000009791-9792 at mousa.demon.co dot uk>
>  X-Mailer: Stalker Internet Mail Server 1.8b8
>  MIME-Version: 1.0
>  Content-Type: multipart/report; report-typeÞlivery-status; 
>boundary="_=receipt=_—92=_"
>
>  --_=receipt=_—92=_
>  Content-Type: text/plain
>
>  Failed to deliver your message to phold at globalnet.co dot uk:
>  SMTP: Address rejected by host
>  Host 'relay2.mail.gxn.net' says:
>  550 relaying to <phold at globalnet.co dot uk> prohibited by administrator
>


What version of SIMS were you using. The current one is 1.8b8


Bill Bedford

The person on the other side was a young woman.  Very obviously a
young woman.  There was no possible way that she could have been
mistaken for a young man in any language, especially Braille.

Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 08:52:16 -0700
From: David Graham <dgraham at pwiworks dot org>
Subject: Re: AutoShare & SIMS ? [SUMMARY?]

At 7:11 PM -0700 8/24/01, Mikael Hansen wrote:
>The bounce is not created by your mail server receiving it. When that is
 said, bounce formats are not very standardized; you can easily wind up
 getting a bounce message from some mail server that doesn't tell you much.

OK ... so I think I'm finally getting it. I have two distinct problems, so
 let me see if I've got it right.

HARD BOUNCES

The actual response is dependent upon information from the receiving mail
 host. So if I get a 550 error without the e-mail address (550 5.1.1 Unknown
 user.) then Autoshare won't treat it as a hard bounce. So it depends on the
 receiving host to send the right information since it's really expecting
 something like '550 relaying to <phold at globalnet.co dot uk> prohibited by
 administrator' (as per Bill B's example).

Do I have this correct?

SOFT BOUNCES

Unlike the hard bounce being reliant upon the host information, the problem
 in my case is the Content-Type of the delivery status notification message.
 In this case, the Content-Type is generated by the mail host attempting to
 send the message. When EIMS gets a 550 response from the intended host, it
 replies to the sender with a Content-Type of 'multipart/mixed'. When SIMS
 gets a 550 response in the same exact situation the Content-Type is
 'multipart/report; report-type=delivery-status'.

If I understand the relevant RFCs the only difference is that the
 'multipart/report' is a further extension of the MIME format and it is up
 to the UA to correctly interpret the message. In this case the UA is
 AutoShare, and it appears that the message text is not even looked at when
 the bounce arrives. The bounced message flows through the bounce folder
 like you'd expect it to, but no action is taken and there is nothing in the
 log to even notice that anything happened.

Bill B says that automatic bounce processing is working for him, but I'm a
 bit skeptical since I've verified the problem is in the Content-Type and
 from his last reply his Contenty-Type is the same as mine.

At 9:13 AM +0100 8/25/01, Bill Bedford wrote:
>[...]
> Content-Type: multipart/report; report-typeÞlivery-status;
>[...]

Maybe Bill could be so kind as to grab some data from the log file showing
 that the soft bounce is indeed working with a SIMS delivery status notifica
tion?


- Dave
-- 


David Graham, MIS Manager/Webmaster
Partnerships With Industry
7540 Metropolitan Dr., #105
San Diego, CA 92108

Phone: 619.681.1999
http://www.pwiworks.org

"We assist persons with disabilities to work in the community"

Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 12:00:02 -0700
From: "Terry R. Schussler" <terry at trevimedia dot com>
Subject: Moving/copying subscribers to a new list

I'm merging some lists together into a single one and am looking for some
assistance/recommendations on how to best accomplish this.  I'm using the
default subscriber format.

Thanks!
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...---===|  Terry R. Schussler  |===---...
...---===|  Chief Investigator  |===---...

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Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 11:58:22 -0700
From: "Terry R. Schussler" <terry at trevimedia dot com>
Subject: Recommended time slice settings

I'm trying to optimize the amount of CPU split between Autoshare and EIMS
3.  Right now, when Autoshare sends out a post to list members, EIMS takes
about 3 minutes to process the outbound email.  During that time, Autoshare
is essentially non-responsive (as well as the Admin).  Is there a way to
get Autoshare to be able to "steal" more CPU time or to better balance the
CPU allocation?

I know that there are some settings for Autoshare related to this, but I
think I'm too dense to "get" the correct values to apply with them.
Guidance would be appreciated.

Regards,
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...---===|  Chief Investigator  |===---...

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Date: 29 Aug 01 15:11:31 -0500
From: Chuck Boody <chuck_boody at hopkins.k12.mn dot us>
Subject: RE: Moving/copying subscribers to a new list

         Reply to:   RE: Moving/copying subscribers to a new list
Open the various lists in any text processor and copy and paste as needed. 
 Save the result as a properly named list.  If you have duplicate issues 
you could do the above and remove the duplicates manually from the Admin 
program or you could pull the files into a database or spreadsheet, sort 
them, and write them out again as text files.  Very easy to do. 

Good luck

Chuck Boody
Analyst/Programmer
ISD 270
======

Terry R. Schussler wrote:
>I'm merging some lists together into a single one and am looking for some
>assistance/recommendations on how to best accomplish this.  I'm using the
>default subscriber format.
>
>Thanks!
>-- 
>
>...---===|  Terry R. Schussler  |===---...
>...---===|  Chief Investigator  |===---...
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>
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Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 13:31:45 -0700
From: "Terry R. Schussler" <terry at trevimedia dot com>
Subject: RE: Moving/copying subscribers to a new list

At 3:11 PM -0500 8/29/01, Chuck Boody wrote:
>         Reply to:   RE: Moving/copying subscribers to a new list
>Open the various lists in any text processor and copy and paste as needed.
>Save the result as a properly named list.  If you have duplicate issues
>you could do the above and remove the duplicates manually from the Admin
>program or you could pull the files into a database or spreadsheet, sort
>them, and write them out again as text files.  Very easy to do.

Thanks, that makes total sense!  I wasn't sure if there was an existing
merge feature of some kind in the Admin that perhaps I didn't know about,
but this is easy enough.

Regards,

Terry
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Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 08:45:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: Tom Rule <trule at server.mds.macon.ga dot us>
Subject: Database format

Is there anywhere in the docs that details the differences in the various
database formats? Which one is best to use (i.e. what are the salient
features of each option?).



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Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 13:55:48 -0400
Subject: Blank or munged Vacation Notice reply to mail w/attachments
From: Sam King <Sam at musiccentre dot ca>

Has anyone come up with a work-around to the problem with Autoshare replying
with incomplete or blank texts to e-mail sent to an auto-reply account that
contains an attachment of some sort?

I have read the archive and seen some talk about it but there has not been
any solutions or suggestions for fixes posted as of yet.

This pretty much makes the auto-reply feature, in particular vacations
notices, of no use as many of the e-mail sent to our users contains some
sort of a an attachment file.


Sam King, National Systems Manager
Canadian Music Centre
nsm at musiccentre dot ca


Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 14:34:01 -0400
Subject: Blank or munged Vacation Notice reply to mail w/attachments
From: Sam King <Sam at musiccentre dot ca>

I should add my set up info in case that's of any help:

Performa 5200CD
24 MB RAM
OS 8.1
EIMS 3.03
Autoshare 4.2.2 (with the additional files from 4.3)

Sam

> Has anyone come up with a work-around to the problem with Autoshare replying
> with incomplete or blank texts to e-mail sent to an auto-reply account that
> contains an attachment of some sort?
> 
> I have read the archive and seen some talk about it but there has not been any
> solutions or suggestions for fixes posted as of yet.
> 
> This pretty much makes the auto-reply feature, in particular vacations
> notices, of no use as many of the e-mail sent to our users contains some sort
> of a an attachment file.


Sam King, National Systems Manager
Canadian Music Centre
nsm at musiccentre dot ca


Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 07:27:06 -0700
From: Mark Hartman <mh-list at harthaven dot com>
Subject: Mailing lists based on alternate domains

I have several domains for which I support e-mail through SIMS's router
aliasing feature (i.e., "<* at altdomain dot com> = alt-*" redirects all mail
for users at altdomain.com to the same account prefixed with "alt-" at
my primary domain.

I'm trying to do this for a mailing list, but AutoShare keeps returning
the message:

  Sorry. The user of the recipient address is not valid.
  550 <committee at sd2002.hamcon dot net>... User unknown
  Please contact listmaster at harthaven dot com

I have the router entry "<* at sd2002.hamcon dot net>=sdham-*" set up in SIMS,
and the mailing list is set up as sdham-committee at harthaven dot com, which
(according to the SIMS rules) translate to committee at sd2002.hamcon dot com.

How can I configure AutoShare to do this?

Thanks in advance.



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