The AutoShare-Talk list archive ending on 14 Nov 2000


Topics covered in this issue include:

  1. Re: Forms queries
       David Patschke <dpatschke at UBmail.ubalt dot edu>
       Thu, 28 Sep 2000 11:18:55 -0400
  2. OT: Netscape mailto: (was Re: Forms queries)
       Tod Fitch <tod at LTFdesign dot com>
       Thu, 28 Sep 2000 09:11:27 -0700
  3. Re: Netscape mailto: (was Re: Forms queries)
       "Keith 'Tak' Takayesu" <skydiver at pobox dot com>
       Thu, 28 Sep 2000 12:38:31 -0400
  4. Re: Netscape mailto: (was Re: Forms queries)
       Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
       Thu, 28 Sep 2000 10:31:02 -0700 (PDT)
  5. Re: 'Catch 22' problem (Re: Allow exception to subscriber list?)
       Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
       Thu, 28 Sep 2000 12:58:53 -0700
  6. Re: Forms queries
       Charles L. Martin <clmartin at theombudsman dot com>
       Thu, 28 Sep 2000 12:50:58 -0400
  7. Re: Corrections to docs & queries
       Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
       Thu, 28 Sep 2000 18:48:38 -0700
  8. Re: 'Catch 22' problem (Re: Allow exception to subscriber list?)
       "Serge Belleudy-d'Espinose" <sam at ijm.jussieu dot fr>
       Fri, 29 Sep 2000 10:32:36 +0200
  9. wondering about your setup
       Ken Tuley <tuley at aps dot edu>
       Fri, 29 Sep 2000 08:53:44 -0600
 10. Re: wondering about your setup
       "Brian W. Ogilvie" <ogilvie at history.umass dot edu>
       Fri, 29 Sep 2000 11:10:15 -0400
 11. Re: 'Catch 22' problem (Re: Allow exception to subscriber list?)
       Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
       Fri, 29 Sep 2000 10:09:38 -0700 (PDT)
 12. Automated web archives
       Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
       Mon, 9 Oct 2000 18:53:42 -0700
 13. AutoShare 4.2.1b3
       Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
       Thu, 19 Oct 2000 22:49:36 -0700
 14. No index.html file?
       Steve Jones <sjones at info.comm.uic dot edu>
       Fri, 20 Oct 2000 06:08:57 -0600
 15. entities in web-archives -- problem
       "Pascal Oberndoerfer" <p.oberndoerfer at urheberrecht dot org>
       Fri, 20 Oct 2000 14:26:43 +0200
 16. Re: entities in web-archives -- problem
       Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
       Fri, 20 Oct 2000 07:31:04 -0700
 17. Re: No index.html file?
       Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
       Fri, 20 Oct 2000 07:30:57 -0700
 18. Re: AutoShare 4.2.1b3
       Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
       Fri, 20 Oct 2000 07:32:52 -0700
 19. Re: entities in web-archives -- problem
       "Pascal Oberndoerfer" <p.oberndoerfer at urheberrecht dot org>
       Fri, 20 Oct 2000 17:45:27 +0200
 20. AutoShare 4.2.1b4
       Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
       Fri, 20 Oct 2000 18:58:06 -0700
 21. Re: Automated web archives
       HOnza Koudelka <koudelka at appleklub dot cz>
       Sat, 21 Oct 2000 16:05:58 +0200
 22. A Request
       Carter Bing <carter at drum.ncat dot edu>
       Sat, 21 Oct 2000 09:19:52 -0400
 23. Footer not working, why?
       HOnza Koudelka <koudelka at appleklub dot cz>
       Sun, 22 Oct 2000 17:33:37 +0200
 24. Re: A Request
       Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
       Sun, 22 Oct 2000 10:15:27 -0700
 25. Re: No index.html file?
       Steve Jones <sjones at info.comm.uic dot edu>
       Sun, 22 Oct 2000 21:15:47 -0600
 26. Re: Automated web archives
       Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
       Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:57:39 -0700
 27. Re: No index.html file?
       Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
       Mon, 23 Oct 2000 22:00:23 -0700
 28. Re: Footer not working, why?
       Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
       Mon, 23 Oct 2000 22:12:41 -0700
 29. Re: No index.html file?
       Homes Magazine Webmaster <webmaster at homes-magazine dot com>
       Tue, 24 Oct 2000 10:01:58 -0700
 30. Re: Footer not working, why?
       HOnza Koudelka <koudelka at appleklub dot cz>
       Fri, 27 Oct 2000 14:11:54 +0200
 31. AutoShare 4.2.1b5
       Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
       Mon, 30 Oct 2000 06:57:47 -0800
 32. 4.1.1 configuration errors....
       Joseph D'Andrea <JoeDan at West21 dot com>
       Wed, 1 Nov 2000 17:48:52 -0500
 33. 4.2 what does this error mean????
       Joseph D'Andrea <JoeDan at West21 dot com>
       Thu, 2 Nov 2000 12:16:32 -0500
 34. Suppress Enclosures
       Randall Gellens <randy at pensive dot org>
       Sat, 4 Nov 2000 18:42:58 -0800
 35. Re: 4.1.1 configuration errors....
       Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
       Sun, 5 Nov 2000 09:56:18 -0800
 36. Re: 4.2 what does this error mean????
       Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
       Sun, 5 Nov 2000 09:57:03 -0800
 37. Re: Suppress Enclosures
       Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
       Sun, 5 Nov 2000 10:04:04 -0800
 38. Re: 4.1.1 configuration errors....
       Charlie Swiszcz <cjs at mcad dot edu>
       Sun, 5 Nov 2000 12:44:36 -0600
 39. supressing list address in postings....
       Joseph D'Andrea <JoeDan at West21 dot com>
       Mon, 6 Nov 2000 12:48:03 -0500
 40. acknowledgement message....
       Joseph D'Andrea <JoeDan at West21 dot com>
       Mon, 6 Nov 2000 12:54:51 -0500
 41. Re: supressing list address in postings....
       Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
       Mon, 6 Nov 2000 12:45:39 -0800
 42. Re: acknowledgement message....
       Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
       Mon, 6 Nov 2000 12:48:08 -0800
 43. Re: acknowledgement message....
       Joseph D'Andrea <JoeDan at West21 dot com>
       Mon, 6 Nov 2000 15:58:32 -0500
 44. AutoShare 4.2.1b6
       Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
       Sat, 11 Nov 2000 23:49:38 -0800
 45. I need a fix...
       "Serge Belleudy-d'Espinose" <sam at ijm.jussieu dot fr>
       Mon, 13 Nov 2000 15:10:09 +0100
 46. Re: I need a fix...
       Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
       Mon, 13 Nov 2000 07:27:03 -0800
 47. 4.2.1b6
       Charles L. Martin <clmartin at theombudsman dot com>
       Tue, 14 Nov 2000 11:26:38 -0500
 48. Re: 4.2.1b6
       Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
       Tue, 14 Nov 2000 12:41:43 -0800
 49. Re: 4.2.1b6
       Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
       Tue, 14 Nov 2000 19:59:13 -0800
 50. Re: 4.1.1 configuration errors....
       Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
       Tue, 14 Nov 2000 20:00:32 -0800

Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 11:18:55 -0400
From: David Patschke <dpatschke at UBmail.ubalt dot edu>
Subject: Re: Forms queries

on 9/28/00 9:24 AM, Charles L. Martin at clmartin at theombudsman dot com wrote:

> If you look at the mail form, you will see something like:
> 
> <FORM action="mailto:listserv at jetprint dot digprod dot com" method=post>
> 
> This will send email to the "mailto:" address given. This form takes the
> sender's email and name from the email software. Mikael's script has
> fields into which this can be entered:
> 
> <P>E-mail:
> <INPUT size=35 NAME="email">
> 
> <P>Name:
> <INPUT size=35 NAME="name">
> 
> HTH.
> 
> On 9/27/00 11:31 PM, Owen Watson said:
> 
>> Subscriber and web forms: I had a look at the Berriman & Suarez
>> forms, and tried them out: they don't appear to go anywhere, and
>> there doesn't seem to be a slot where you put the requite email
>> address. Am I being totally thick here?
> 



I've only gotten IE to properly use the "mailto" action --haven't had any
success with Netscape. Unless of course I was supposed to install a script
or something else somewhere to get it to work?


-- 
David Patschke
Director of Technologies
School of Communications Design
University of Baltimore



Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 09:11:27 -0700
From: Tod Fitch <tod at LTFdesign dot com>
Subject: OT: Netscape mailto: (was Re: Forms queries)

At 08:18 AM 9/28/2000 , David Patschke wrote:
><snip>
>
>I've only gotten IE to properly use the "mailto" action --haven't had any
>success with Netscape. Unless of course I was supposed to install a script
>or something else somewhere to get it to work?

I've got three different machines running Netscape 4.x. On the WinNT 
machine the mailto: links work just fine, including using my mail program 
of choice. On my PowerBook, mailto: works but only using Netscape's built 
in mail handling. On my wife's G3 I can't get Netscape's mailto: to work at 
all. (The G3 and PowerBook have the exact same version of software too.)

Does anyone know how to properly configure the Mac versions of Netscape to 
properly handle web mailto: actions?


From: "Keith 'Tak' Takayesu" <skydiver at pobox dot com>
Subject: Re: Netscape mailto: (was Re: Forms queries)
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 12:38:31 -0400

Somewhere on the Eudora site, I had found an AppleScript to configure
Netscape to use Eudora. I'm sure that the same script can be modified to use
any e-mail program on the Mac.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tod Fitch" <tod at LTFdesign dot com>

> of choice. On my PowerBook, mailto: works but only using Netscape's built
> in mail handling. On my wife's G3 I can't get Netscape's mailto: to work
at
> all. (The G3 and PowerBook have the exact same version of software too.)
>
> Does anyone know how to properly configure the Mac versions of Netscape to
> properly handle web mailto: actions?




Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 10:31:02 -0700 (PDT)
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Netscape mailto: (was Re: Forms queries)

On Thu, 28 Sep 2000, Keith 'Tak' Takayesu wrote:

> Somewhere on the Eudora site, I had found an AppleScript to configure
> Netscape to use Eudora. I'm sure that the same script can be modified to
> use any e-mail program on the Mac.

tell application "Netscape Navigator" -- or whatever its name is
  register protocol "CSOm" for protocol "mailto" -- use Eudora
end tell


Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 12:58:53 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: 'Catch 22' problem (Re: Allow exception to subscriber list?)

At 15:50 +0200 9/28/2000, Serge Belleudy-d'Espinose wrote:

>How can a process extender check for someone being subscribed, given 
>that by the time the PE works, AutoShare will not send an answer 
>back to any query?

AutoShare does indeed bypass the catch-22 happily. The following PE 
does log the subscriber's name in the log file.

on idle
   return 300
end idle

on PE Before Processing (aList)
   set kSender to item 3 of aList
   set kRecipient to item 4 of aList
   set kList to item 9 of aList -- blank, as list name is not known by BP

   set kList to word 1 of kRecipient -- list name is user of recipient

   tell application "AutoShare.CGI"
     Write Log logString ("(" & kSender & "-" & kList & ")")

     set myOptions to GetSubscriber List kList Email kSender

     if myOptions is {} then
       set r to "not subscribed"
     else
       set r to Subscriber Name of myOptions
     end if

     Write Log logString r
   end tell
end PE Before Processing

Subject: Re: Forms queries
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 12:50:58 -0400
From: Charles L. Martin <clmartin at theombudsman dot com>

I have the following in a form which works fine with IE or Netscape. No 
scripts, nothing fancy, just a plain mailto action.

<FORM action="mailto:AutoShare@theOmbudsman dot com" method=post>
<INPUT TYPE="hidden" NAME="command" VALUE="SUBSCRIBE GCB-L">



<P><CENTER><INPUT TYPE="submit" NAME="submit"
VALUE="Subscribe"></CENTER>
</FORM>

On 9/28/00 11:18 AM, David Patschke said:

>>> Subscriber and web forms: I had a look at the Berriman & Suarez
>>> forms, and tried them out: they don't appear to go anywhere, and
>>> there doesn't seem to be a slot where you put the requite email
>>> address. Am I being totally thick here?
>> 
>
>
>
>I've only gotten IE to properly use the "mailto" action --haven't had any
>success with Netscape. Unless of course I was supposed to install a script
>or something else somewhere to get it to work?


Charles L. Martin
clmartin at theOmbudsman dot com
http://www.theOmbudsman.com/Martin_Law/
123 N. McDonough St.
Decatur, GA 30030
404-373-3116, FAX 801-881-1246

Alice: ³The King seems so prejudiced.²
King: ³Thank you Alice. That¹s what makes me so eminently qualified to =
be 
Judge.²
Alice in Wonderland, Lewis Carroll


Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 18:48:38 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Corrections to docs & queries

At 15:31 +1200 9/28/2000, Owen Watson wrote:

>Whew! It will take me a looonnngg time to understand all the manual, 
>so bear with me. . . .

That's okay. I like to leave a little for a rainy day.

>Quick tutorial: might be worth mentioning about moving the FaceSpan 
>extension to the extensions folder.

I'm not sure the quick tutorial mentions the Admin application at 
all, so that's probably why. The FaceSpan thing is mentioned in the 
section on "AutoShare Admin application" though.

>Configuring EIMS: the paths for the save-as files should be 
>Auto:List Server:Fun-L.m (rather than LS).

Correct (left-over from the past).

>Before you send off a test message to Fun-L, it might be worth 
>deleting the two test addresses that came with the default setup.

Yes.

>Script database format: There doesn't seem to be any method given 
>for enabling script database format by putting something in the 
>Language field (Admin>Lists>Yet More Lists).

I don't understand.

>Query: I want to have a subscriber list in the standard format, but 
>add extra fields onto it by putting extra stuff at the end of each 
>line. If I put this stuff after the closing bracket in each line 
>will this confuse AutoShare?

I dunno. Maybe not. Let me know if it does.

>The reason I am doing this is that it will be easier for me to write 
>text files to disk from my 4D database than muck round with 
>Applescript. Yes, I can check for busy files before I write to them.

You may want to look into the built-in database format. Less AppleScript.

>Message and Digest list files: there is an explanation of the EXPN 
>command for EIMS. It might be worth mentioning that in EIMS3 at 
>least you can turn off the EXPN command in EIMS.

Duly noted.

>Subscriber and web forms: I had a look at the Berriman & Suarez 
>forms, and tried them out: they don't appear to go anywhere, and 
>there doesn't seem to be a slot where you put the requite email 
>address. Am I being totally thick here?

That's because the subscriber address is derived from the sender's 
address. Just making it more difficult to subscribe someone else. 
 From the 4.2.1 beta:

d3:
-Adding the letter Y to Misc Stuff lets subscriber web forms
   use the email field for subscriber address if specified

>Built-in CGI request handling: tried this, and got a "couldn't 
>access" message at the browser end, and the server end showed 
>09/28/00	15:24:32	OK 	202.36.162.2 
>	:autoshare.cgi	0
>Error -1701: Getting CGIreply string ().
>Autoshare was running at the server end, and there was an alias to 
>the Autoshare app in the webstar folder named autoshare.cgi

-1701 is errAEDescNotFound, which is somewhat helpful, but doesn't 
say all that much. It is not something that I have ever come across 
in your context. It may relate to browser software and version.

Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 10:32:36 +0200
From: "Serge Belleudy-d'Espinose" <sam at ijm.jussieu dot fr>
Subject: Re: 'Catch 22' problem (Re: Allow exception to subscriber list?)

At 21:58 +0200 28/09/00, Mikael Hansen wrote:

>AutoShare does indeed bypass the catch-22 happily. The following PE
>does log the subscriber's name in the log file.

I was expecting this kind of answer.
I have never been abble however to use such technique so far. Either AS
would hang for awhile, or my script would break due to a lack of
significant answer. But, it must be possible since you advertise it :)

So I will try again. Sorry for the noise. BTW, I still use 4.2 - been
unhappy so far with further betas and no occasion to conduct meaningful
tests. Is this the reason why?

Serge

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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 08:53:44 -0600
Subject: wondering about your setup
From: Ken Tuley <tuley at aps dot edu>

I'm having a horrible time getting my list subscribers to understand the
difference between replying to the list and replying to an individual.
ie, someone sends a request for information to the list, and everyone
responds to the list with their information, instead of to the person.

I currently have the lists defaulting to reply to list..and have tried to
educate my users as to this issue.

but I'm wondering what the rest of you are doing? what are you defaulting
to...reply to list, or reply to sender?

and how you might be educating your users on when to reply to the list and
when to reply to an individual..

Thanks.

Ken Tuley, ADE (Apple Distinguished Educator)
Manager, Learning Technologies
Albuquerque Public Schools
220 Monroe SE      
Albuquerque, NM 87108
Office: (505) 256-4269
Fax: (505) 256-4452
tuley at aps dot edu
http://www.aps.edu


Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 11:10:15 -0400
From: "Brian W. Ogilvie" <ogilvie at history.umass dot edu>
Subject: Re: wondering about your setup

Ken Tuley asks,

>but I'm wondering what the rest of you are doing? what are you defaulting
>to...reply to list, or reply to sender?

I run several lists for my university courses, one for grad students 
in my department, and one for faculty. All but the faculty list are 
configured to reply to list, and I have had very few problems--one or 
two reminders suffices to educate list users.

The faculty list, on the other hand, was originally configured to 
reply to list and I had no end of problems with colleagues who simply 
could not understand how it worked. Apparently the difference between 
composing a new message and entering the address on the one hand, and 
replying on the other, was too huge for them to understand, or 
remember, the injunction to change the reply address when responding 
to a request for information or an announcement. Other list 
members--and even some of the offenders--would then complain about 
their mailboxes being filled up with irrelevant information. I 
finally had to change the configuration to "reply to sender."

I've toyed with the idea of creating a new list for discussion, 
keeping the old one just for announcements and requests, but I am 
afraid that the problem would recur.

Some mail clients apparently recognize the problem and ask whether 
you want to reply to the sender or the list, regardless of the 
"Reply-To" header; perhaps we list managers should pester developers 
until they all do.

Brian
-- 
Brian W. Ogilvie <ogilvie at history.umass dot edu>
Assistant Professor of Renaissance History
Department of History, University of Massachusetts Amherst
<http://www-unix.oit.umass.edu/~ogilvie/contact.html>

Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 10:09:38 -0700 (PDT)
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: 'Catch 22' problem (Re: Allow exception to subscriber list?)

At 10:32 +0200 9/29/2000, Serge Belleudy-d'Espinose wrote:

>At 21:58 +0200 28/09/00, Mikael Hansen wrote:
>
>>AutoShare does indeed bypass the catch-22 happily. The following PE
>>does log the subscriber's name in the log file.
>
>I was expecting this kind of answer.
>I have never been abble however to use such technique so far. Either AS
>would hang for awhile, or my script would break due to a lack of
>significant answer. But, it must be possible since you advertise it :)

That has worked nicely for me for some 2 1/2 years, with various versions
of AutoShare, AppleScript and Mac OS during this time. If things don't
work for you when writing a PE, there are several things that can speed up
the process considerably.

First of all, go simple. Set up a quiet test environment on your desktop
Mac. Have only AutoShare and AppleScript Editor running. Start out with
script code that is very brief and simple when you need to focus on a
PE-specific area that may be a source of confusion. This often has to do
with the parameter list that is passed to the handler.

For AppleScript code that is not PE-specific per se, it is a huge
time-saver to test such code in a regular compiled script first, which 
provides explicit error messages, both syntax and run-time, at the time.
An AppleScript saved as an application is hopelessly helpless in this
respect. Also, try, on error, end try blocks do wonders btw.

>So I will try again. Sorry for the noise. BTW, I still use 4.2 - been
>unhappy so far with further betas and no occasion to conduct meaningful
>tests. Is this the reason why?

I rather like the stuff I did in the 4.2.1 beta earlier this summer. The
following may be of interest to you.
 
d2:
-A bug has been fixed, which would prevent an Apple event from
   being sent correctly when the process extender AppleScript
   application needed to be launched at the same time


Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 18:53:42 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Automated web archives

I have taken a casual look at the formats of the automated web 
archives and seem to remember that someone once suggested something 
about making the header and footer parts of the three formats (1. 
list of list names, 2. list of web archive files for a given list, 3. 
content of web archive file) more flexible. The language files can 
accomplish some flexibility, inasmuch they allow header and footer 
strings to be worded differently. But I was wondering if there is 
something else that was requested at the time.

Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 22:49:36 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: AutoShare 4.2.1b3

--============_-1240100617==_ma============
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed"

4.2.1b3 has been uploaded to

   <http://www.dnai.com/~meh/download/AutoShare/Beta/>

b3:
-The letter G in Misc Stuff uses the "a b <a@b>" convention
   in RFC header fields instead of "a@b (a b)"
-List Server folder, not LS, in Quick Tutorial (two cases)
-Added optional Folder Path parameter to Send Mail command
-The letter A in List Stuff inserts list contribution at
   the top of archives and digests
-The letter H in Misc Stuff inserts 'The confirmation code
   is ' before the mail-back code in the body; when looking
   for the code, it doesn't matter where it is in the body
   as long as only spaces, if anything, follows it on the
   line where it is
--============_-1240100617==_ma============
Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"

<!doctype html public "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN">
<html><head><style type="text/css"><!--
blockquote, dl, ul, ol, li { margin-top: 0 ; margin-bottom: 0 }
 --></style><title>AutoShare 4.2.1b3</title></head><body>
<div>4.2.1b3 has been uploaded to</div>
<div><br></div>
<div> 
<http://www.dnai.com/~meh/download/AutoShare/Beta/><br>
</div>
<div><tt><font color="#000000">b3:<br>
-The letter G in Misc Stuff uses the "a b <a@b>"
convention<br>
  in RFC header fields instead of "a@b (a b)"<br>
-List Server folder, not LS, in Quick Tutorial (two cases)<br>
-Added optional Folder Path parameter to Send Mail command<br>
-The letter A in List Stuff inserts list contribution at<br>
  the top of archives and digests<br>
-The letter H in Misc Stuff inserts 'The confirmation code<br>
  is ' before the mail-back code in the body; when looking<br>
  for the code, it doesn't matter where it is in the body<br>
  as long as only spaces, if anything, follows it on the<br>
  line where it is</font></tt></div>
</body>
</html>
--============_-1240100617==_ma============--

Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 06:08:57 -0600
From: Steve Jones <sjones at info.comm.uic dot edu>
Subject: No index.html file?

Hi:

What might I be doing wrong that an index.html file isn't written 
into a list's archives folder? All of the other needed mail archive 
files are there.

TIA,
Sj

Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 14:26:43 +0200
Subject: entities in web-archives -- problem
From: "Pascal Oberndoerfer" <p.oberndoerfer at urheberrecht dot org>

Hello!

I encountered a problem in the web archives when a line ends with a
"high-ascii" character. Instead of just converting it it leaves the "=" at
the end of the line and writes the entity (and nothing else) on a new one.


Here is a three-line example (in German, sorry):

... ergibt jedoch, daß die vorgeschlagene Neufassung des =
§
89 UrhG die vom Gesetzgeber 1965 unter dem Einfluß von ...


This used to be a two-liner in the mail like this:

... ergibt jedoch, daß die vorgeschlagene Neufassung des §
89 UrhG die vom Gesetzgeber 1965 unter dem Einfluß von ...



Any ideas?

Pascal


PS: just in case:
    ß = sz ligature
    § = section

Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 07:31:04 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: entities in web-archives -- problem

At 14:26 +0200 10/20/2000, Pascal Oberndoerfer wrote:

>Hello!
>
>I encountered a problem in the web archives when a line ends with a
>"high-ascii" character. Instead of just converting it it leaves the "=" a=
t
>the end of the line and writes the entity (and nothing else) on a new one.
>
>
>Here is a three-line example (in German, sorry):
>
>... ergibt jedoch, daß die vorgeschlagene Neufassung des =
>§
>89 UrhG die vom Gesetzgeber 1965 unter dem Einfluß von ...
>
>
>This used to be a two-liner in the mail like this:
>
>... ergibt jedoch, daß die vorgeschlagene Neufassung des §
>89 UrhG die vom Gesetzgeber 1965 unter dem Einfluß von ...

Works for me though.

=2E.. ergibt jedoch, daß die vorgeschlagene Neufassung des §
89 UrhG die vom Gesetzgeber 1965 unter dem Einfluß von ...

Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 07:30:57 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: No index.html file?

At 06:08 -0600 10/20/2000, Steve Jones wrote:

>What might I be doing wrong that an index.html file isn't written 
>into a list's archives folder? All of the other needed mail archive 
>files are there.

That is likely because you are looking in the standard archives 
folder (text/html files and tocs) rather than in the automated web 
archives folder.

Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 07:32:52 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: AutoShare 4.2.1b3

Hold off for a bit though, as I just noticed that not all .toc 
archive files are created properly. I'll upload another beta this 
weekend.

Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 17:45:27 +0200
Subject: Re: entities in web-archives -- problem
From: "Pascal Oberndoerfer" <p.oberndoerfer at urheberrecht dot org>

> Works for me though.
> 
> ... ergibt jedoch, daß die vorgeschlagene Neufassung des §
> 89 UrhG die vom Gesetzgeber 1965 unter dem Einfluß von ...


Sorry, I forgot to mention that I shortened the lines so they would not wra=
p
due to mailing etc. Below is the full-length example:


-----
Eine genauere Analyse ergibt jedoch, das die vorgeschlagene Neufassung des =
§
89 UrhG die vom Gesetzgeber 1965 unter dem Einfluß von Ulmer eingeführte
Systematik vollständig verändern und damit aus dem Gleichgewicht bringen
würde:
-----


Here the section sign is the 76th character on the first line. Outlook
Express is set to wrap lines at this position, i.e. right after the 76th
character. If the line becomes longer than 76 characters, e.g. because of
encoding, OE wraps lines again. As a result it produces the following
encoded mail text:


-----
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"
Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable
[...]


Eine genauere Analyse ergibt jedoch, das die vorgeschlagene Neufassung des =
=
§
89 UrhG die vom Gesetzgeber 1965 unter dem Einfluß von Ulmer eingeführt=
e
Systematik vollständig verändern und damit aus dem Gleichgewicht bringe=
n
würde:
-----


Without knowing the relevant RFCs I conclude from the sources that the
sequence

    "=" + return

is supposed to mean that the return is only inserted for wrapping purposes
and not as a paragraph. This would mean in the above example that "§" on
line two is supposed to be read as being on the first line.

Maybe the above sequence could be eliminated safely? But maybe I am wrong!


Pascal

Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 18:58:06 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: AutoShare 4.2.1b4

At 07:32 -0700 10/20/2000, Mikael Hansen wrote:

>Hold off for a bit though, as I just noticed that not all .toc 
>archive files are created properly. I'll upload another beta this 
>weekend.

We're okay again.

Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 16:05:58 +0200
From: HOnza Koudelka <koudelka at appleklub dot cz>
Subject: Re: Automated web archives

>I have taken a casual look at the formats of the automated web
>archives and seem to remember that someone once suggested something
>about making the header and footer parts of the three formats (1.
>list of list names, 2. list of web archive files for a given list,
>3. content of web archive file) more flexible. The language files
>can accomplish some flexibility, inasmuch they allow header and
>footer strings to be worded differently. But I was wondering if
>there is something else that was requested at the time.

I don't remember if I was the one who suggested this, and I don't 
remember what exactly was suggested, but I can tell you what solution 
would be very usefull for me:

1) Having one file (or one for each language) as a template for the 
list of lists. The file could contain some keywords to be replaced by 
real data. For example, this template could look like this (using 
square brackets instead of angle brackets to make sure your e-mail 
client will not process HTML):

[html][head][title]HOnza's Mailing List Archives[/title][/head]
[body][h2]HOnza's archived lists:[/h2]
[hr]
/=lists
[hr]
[address]Last updated on
/=lastupdate
by AutoShare. Please send any comments to
/=listmaster
.[/address]
[/body]
[/html]

Autoshare would replace the three tokens by real data, and the 
customized web entry would be finished.


2) Having one file for each list (and one default for all lists, 
eventually one default for each language) as a template for the list 
of files for a given list. The file could look like this:

[html][head][title]Archives for the list
/=listname
[/title][/head]
[body]

[h2]Archives for the list
/=listname
[/h2]
[hr]
/=listfiles
[hr]
[address]Last updated on
/=lastupdate
by AutoShare. Please send any comments to
/=listmaster
.[/address]
[/body]
[/html]


3) Having one file for each list (and one default for all lists, 
eventually one default for each language) as a template for the list 
archive itself. The example here would be similar to the two above.


4) This is not as imporant as the three above, but would be very 
cool. Ability to customize the individual items. For example, 
Autoshare standard list of lists looks like this (again using square 
brackets instead of angle brackets):

[UL]
[LI] [A HREF="list1/index.html"]list1[/A]
[LI] [A HREF="list2/index.html"]list2[/A]
[LI] [A HREF="list3/index.html"]list3[/A]
[/UL]

But someone might want this:

[TABLE]
[TR][TH] List [/TH][TH] Moderator [/TH][/TR]
[TR][TD] [A HREF="list1/index.html"]list1[/A] [/TD][TD] Moderator 1 [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] [A HREF="list2/index.html"]list2[/A] [/TD][TD] Moderator 2 [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] [A HREF="list3/index.html"]list3[/A] [/TD][TD] Moderator 3 [/TD][/TR]
[/TABLE]

And the same applies for the list of files, list of contributions, 
and for the individual contributions.


HOnza

Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 09:19:52 -0400
From: Carter Bing <carter at drum.ncat dot edu>
Subject: A Request

Greetings,

	Is it possible to set Autoshare so that it will act a little 
like Majordomo when it comes to having a designated address to where 
an user can just send a piece of mail and they receive a subscription 
confirmation number to which they have to respond before they are 
added to the list.

	Is there also a way to delay the processing of incoming mail 
so I can have Spam Buster check the account for unwanted mail?

	Thanks,

	Carter
"He was one of God's prototypes, not meant for mass productions.
	To weird to live, to rare to die...."
			Hunter S. Thompson

Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 17:33:37 +0200
From: HOnza Koudelka <koudelka at appleklub dot cz>
Subject: Footer not working, why?

Hi, where can be a problem?

I was using rotating banner. I had a folder named "Banners" which 
contained about 20 banners. Then, I had a list "konference" where the 
banners were used. So, I created an alias of the folder "Banners" and 
called it "Footer.konference". I put the alias into the "listserv" 
folder inside the "Documents" folder. It worked perfectly.

About week ago I deleted all the old banners, and created only one 
new. After that, the feature stopped working. The list contributions 
don't contain any footers anymore.

Why?

HOnza

Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 10:15:27 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: A Request

At 09:19 -0400 10/21/2000, Carter Bing wrote:

>	Is it possible to set Autoshare so that it will act a little 
>like Majordomo when it comes to having a designated address to where 
>an user can just send a piece of mail and they receive a 
>subscription confirmation number to which they have to respond 
>before they are added to the list.

Yes, there is a section in the documentation describing such request 
addresses as well as a section on mail-backs.

>	Is there also a way to delay the processing of incoming mail 
>so I can have Spam Buster check the account for unwanted mail?

I don't know of Spam Buster, but yes it is likely possible.

Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 21:15:47 -0600
From: Steve Jones <sjones at info.comm.uic dot edu>
Subject: Re: No index.html file?

Yes, thanks -- I re-installed and ended up changing some things 
around and lost sight of where the file was supposed to be!

A somewhat related question -- would it be possible in the table of 
contents that goes out with the daily digest of a list to have the 
subject line (or some other part of the message) in HTML that links 
to the message in the archive? That way a subscriber could look at 
the message subject, double-click and get to the message in the 
archive? I've had a few subscribers ask about that kind of feature. 
I'm lukewarm (how hard could it be to scroll down, etc.?) but it does 
seem like it might have some usefulness.

Thank you!

Sj

At 12:00 AM -0700 10/21/00, Autoshare-Talk list wrote:
>Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 07:30:57 -0700
>From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
>Subject: Re: No index.html file?
>
>At 06:08 -0600 10/20/2000, Steve Jones wrote:
>
>>What might I be doing wrong that an index.html file isn't written
>>into a list's archives folder? All of the other needed mail archive
>>files are there.
>
>That is likely because you are looking in the standard archives
>folder (text/html files and tocs) rather than in the automated web
>archives folder.

Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:57:39 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Automated web archives

Good to hear, HOnza. I have been thinking along those very lines.

Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 22:00:23 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: No index.html file?

At 21:15 -0600 10/22/2000, Steve Jones wrote:

>A somewhat related question -- would it be possible in the table of 
>contents that goes out with the daily digest of a list to have the 
>subject line (or some other part of the message) in HTML that links 
>to the message in the archive? That way a subscriber could look at 
>the message subject, double-click and get to the message in the 
>archive? I've had a few subscribers ask about that kind of feature. 
>I'm lukewarm (how hard could it be to scroll down, etc.?) but it 
>does seem like it might have some usefulness.

Maybe. Duly noted.

Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 22:12:41 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Footer not working, why?

At 17:33 +0200 10/22/2000, HOnza Koudelka wrote:

>Hi, where can be a problem?
>
>I was using rotating banner. I had a folder named "Banners" which 
>contained about 20 banners. Then, I had a list "konference" where 
>the banners were used. So, I created an alias of the folder 
>"Banners" and called it "Footer.konference". I put the alias into 
>the "listserv" folder inside the "Documents" folder. It worked 
>perfectly.
>
>About week ago I deleted all the old banners, and created only one 
>new. After that, the feature stopped working. The list contributions 
>don't contain any footers anymore.
>
>Why?

What happens if you create a Documents:AutoShare:Footer:<list> folder 
and put banner files inside that? If that works, then one step at a 
time.

Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 10:01:58 -0700
From: Homes Magazine Webmaster <webmaster at homes-magazine dot com>
Subject: Re: No index.html file?

On 10/22/00, Steve Jones wrote:

> A somewhat related question -- would it be possible in the table of 
> contents that goes out with the daily digest of a list to have the 
> subject line (or some other part of the message) in HTML that links 
> to the message in the archive? That way a subscriber could look at 
> the message subject, double-click and get to the message in the 
> archive? I've had a few subscribers ask about that kind of feature. 
> I'm lukewarm (how hard could it be to scroll down, etc.?) but it does 
> seem like it might have some usefulness.

Or great annoyance, depending on your point of view. E-mail is supposed to
contain plain text, and mail readers are not required by the RFCs to be able
to display HTML messages. In fact, many of us choose to use mail readers that
cannot. There are few things more annoying to me than receiving a message
that's been rendered nearly unreadable by all of the HTML tags contained in
it. Unless it's an important message, it usually ends up being deleted unread.
If Mikael can figure out a way to do it so that it doesn't create a problem
for plain-text mail readers, then go for it. Otherwise, my vote is to leave it
be.

                   Christopher Bort | cbort at homes-magazine dot com
            Webmaster, Global Homes | webmaster at homes-magazine dot com
      <http://www.globalhomes.com/> | PGP public key available on request



Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 14:11:54 +0200
From: HOnza Koudelka <koudelka at appleklub dot cz>
Subject: Re: Footer not working, why?

>>About week ago I deleted all the old banners, and created only one
>>new. After that, the feature stopped working. The list
>>contributions don't contain any footers anymore.
>>
>>Why?
>
>What happens if you create a Documents:AutoShare:Footer:<list>
>folder and put banner files inside that? If that works, then one
>step at a time.

Nothing. Didn't help. Do I have to quit and relaunch AutoShare for 
this to take effect?

HOnza

Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 06:57:47 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: AutoShare 4.2.1b5

4.2.1b5 has been uploaded to

   <http://www.dnai.com/~meh/download/AutoShare/Beta/>

b5:
-Unknown document accepts /=subject and /=reply-to tokens
-Archives delete trailing MIME ='s in HTML lines
-Automated web archives: first of three formats (1. list
   of list names, 2. list of web archive files for a given
   list, 3. content of web archive file) now configurable;
   put sample Web folder inside AutoShare preferences
   folder to activate; note sample index.html; [list],
   [address], [name] and [date] tokens can be used; the
   [list] token makes the HTML line loop thru all lists

Let me know how you like the last item, after which I'll move on completing it.

Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 17:48:52 -0500
From: Joseph D'Andrea <JoeDan at West21 dot com>
Subject: 4.1.1 configuration errors....

Been a while since I had to put a new list online and I'm having some 
trouble. I think I got all the correct files in place ... I'm using 
SIMS as the MTA. When I try to configure a list and click on the List 
Names button, I get the following error:

An error occurred while executing the script of window "List Names": 
Finder got an error: Can't get name of every item of container 
"Macintosh HD:System Folder:Preferences:AutoShare:Disabl

Any quick thoughts?

Maybe I'm due for a re-install.

___Joe___
_________________________________________________
Joseph D'Andrea                 JoeDan at West21 dot com
WEST21.com Internet services for the 21st Century
              http://www.west21.com/
_________________________________________________


Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 12:16:32 -0500
From: Joseph D'Andrea <JoeDan at West21 dot com>
Subject: 4.2 what does this error mean????

Sorry. The domain of the recipient address is not valid.
outprofessionals.org
Please contact listmaster at west21 dot com


I guess I'm missing some configuration item, but for the life of me I 
can't figure it out.

Thanks,
___Joe___
_________________________________________________
Joseph D'Andrea                 JoeDan at West21 dot com
WEST21.com Internet services for the 21st Century
              http://www.west21.com/
_________________________________________________


Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 18:42:58 -0800
From: Randall Gellens <randy at pensive dot org>
Subject: Suppress Enclosures

How do I prevent people from sending attachments to a list?  Someone 
seems to have sent one of the those Outlook viruses to a list I host, 
and I'd like to prevent it from happening again.

I tried adding "k" to the default List Stuff (my lists have a blank 
List Stuff to pick up the default), but it doesn't seem to do do this.
-- 
Randall  Gellens                                     Randy at Pensive dot Org
---------------------- (randomly-selected tag) ---------------------
Liberals are trusting and optimistic because
they believe other people are much like themselves.
Conservatives are hostile and fearful because they
believe the same thing.

Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 09:56:18 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: 4.1.1 configuration errors....

At 17:48 -0500 11/1/2000, Joseph D'Andrea wrote:

>Been a while since I had to put a new list online and I'm having 
>some trouble. I think I got all the correct files in place ... I'm 
>using SIMS as the MTA. When I try to configure a list and click on 
>the List Names button, I get the following error:
>
>An error occurred while executing the script of window "List Names": 
>Finder got an error: Can't get name of every item of container 
>"Macintosh HD:System Folder:Preferences:AutoShare:Disabl
>
>Any quick thoughts?

What is or begins with Disabl? Shouldn't be in the AutoShare 
preferences folder.

Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 09:57:03 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: 4.2 what does this error mean????

At 12:16 -0500 11/2/2000, Joseph D'Andrea wrote:

>Sorry. The domain of the recipient address is not valid.
>outprofessionals.org
>Please contact listmaster at west21 dot com
>
>
>I guess I'm missing some configuration item, but for the life of me 
>I can't figure it out.

If outprofessionals.org is a valid domain of yours, try adding it to 
your AutoShare host file.

Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 10:04:04 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Suppress Enclosures

At 18:42 -0800 11/4/2000, Randall Gellens wrote:

>How do I prevent people from sending attachments to a list?  Someone 
>seems to have sent one of the those Outlook viruses to a list I 
>host, and I'd like to prevent it from happening again.
>
>I tried adding "k" to the default List Stuff (my lists have a blank 
>List Stuff to pick up the default), but it doesn't seem to do do 
>this.

When you do a Get Info in Finder on the received attachment file, do 
you see a size of zero bytes? When AutoShare suppresses MIME 
attachments, only the attachment body is removed, while the 
attachment wrapper is still there. This may in the receiving e-mail 
client sometimes look like there is an attachment, although the 
attachment body is empty.

Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 12:44:36 -0600
From: Charlie Swiszcz <cjs at mcad dot edu>
Subject: Re: 4.1.1 configuration errors....

>At 17:48 -0500 11/1/2000, Joseph D'Andrea wrote:
>
>>Been a while since I had to put a new list online and I'm having some trouble. I think I got all the correct files in place ... I'm using SIMS as the MTA. When I try to configure a list and click on the List Names button, I get the following error
>>
>>An error occurred while executing the script of window "List Names": Finder got an error: Can't get name of every item of container "Macintosh HD:System Folder:Preferences:AutoShare:Disabl
>>
>>Any quick thoughts?
>
>What is or begins with Disabl? Shouldn't be in the AutoShare preferences folder.

I believe it is a reference to the "Disabled Lists" folder. I also receive the same error message, using EIMS.

If the "Disabled Lists" folder is removed from the AutoShare Preferences folder a click on "List Names" button generates the error "An error occurred while executing the script of window "List Names": Finder got an error: Can't get container "Macintosh HD
:System Folder:Preferences:AutoShare:Disabled Lists:". (-1728)

In either case after the error message is canceled the "List Names" window appears and it is business as usual.

cjs 


Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 12:48:03 -0500
From: Joseph D'Andrea <JoeDan at West21 dot com>
Subject: supressing list address in postings....

Is there a way to suppress or alter the To: header that is displayed 
in the outgoing messages? We don;t want a particular list to show the 
posting address. It's an announcement list.

Thanks,
___Joe___
_________________________________________________
Joseph D'Andrea                 JoeDan at West21 dot com
WEST21.com Internet services for the 21st Century
              http://www.west21.com/
_________________________________________________


Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 12:54:51 -0500
From: Joseph D'Andrea <JoeDan at West21 dot com>
Subject: acknowledgement message....

I want the sender of an announcement on an annnouncement list to get 
a copy of the postings. The sender is a subscriber to the list and is 
listed in the email: and address: fields. I also have the 
Acknowledgement field set to YES. What configuration item am I 
missing?

Thanks,
___Joe___

Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 12:45:39 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: supressing list address in postings....

At 12:48 -0500 11/6/2000, Joseph D'Andrea wrote:

>Is there a way to suppress or alter the To: header that is displayed 
>in the outgoing messages? We don;t want a particular list to show 
>the posting address. It's an announcement list.

What happens if you enter the recipient list name in the Bcc field.

Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 12:48:08 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: acknowledgement message....

At 12:54 -0500 11/6/2000, Joseph D'Andrea wrote:

>I want the sender of an announcement on an annnouncement list to get 
>a copy of the postings. The sender is a subscriber to the list and 
>is listed in the email: and address: fields. I also have the 
>Acknowledgement field set to YES. What configuration item am I 
>missing?

Do the email: and address: fields refer to a form? Do the archives 
show that the list contribution was properly posted?

Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 15:58:32 -0500
From: Joseph D'Andrea <JoeDan at West21 dot com>
Subject: Re: acknowledgement message....

At 12:48 PM -0800 11/6/00, Mikael Hansen wrote:
>At 12:54 -0500 11/6/2000, Joseph D'Andrea wrote:
>
>>I want the sender of an announcement on an annnouncement list to 
>>get a copy of the postings. The sender is a subscriber to the list 
>>and is listed in the email: and address: fields. I also have the 
>>Acknowledgement field set to YES. What configuration item am I 
>>missing?
>
>Do the email: and address: fields refer to a form? Do the archives 
>show that the list contribution was properly posted?

No, the email: and address: fields contain the e-mail address of the 
list administrator who is also the poster. I can't get to the remote 
maching right now, but I do know that the message did go through. 
Properly??? not sure.

___Joe___

Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 23:49:38 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: AutoShare 4.2.1b6

4.2.1b6 has been uploaded to

   <http://www.dnai.com/~meh/download/AutoShare/Beta/>

I have completed making the automated web archives configurable. Let 
me know what you think, also if I have missed any bug reports that 
you have brought up at an earlier time. Thanks.

Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 15:10:09 +0100
From: "Serge Belleudy-d'Espinose" <sam at ijm.jussieu dot fr>
Subject: I need a fix...

Hi all, and especially Mikael


I need something that doesn't seem possible with AS as it is. I would 
like to use the 'send mail' applescript statement to create a file 
mail including resources, but still be abble to totally rewrite the 
whole data part, not only the body.
So, I thought it would be great if send mail
a) returns the file path
	or
b) includes an option to let the body string overwrite the header

Is it possible, or is there a workaround I haven't thought of?

Thanks in advance,

Serge
__  __  __
_ \///\/ _   I N S T I T U T    | Serge Belleudy-d'Espinose - IJM
  \///\///     J A C Q U E S     | 2 place Jussieu - 75251 Paris Cedex 05
_///\///\_      M O N O D       | m at il : sam at ijm dot jussieu dot fr
__/\///\__ Service Informatique | WWW  : http://www.ijm.jussieu.fr/

Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 07:27:03 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: I need a fix...

At 15:10 +0100 11/13/2000, Serge Belleudy-d'Espinose wrote:

>I need something that doesn't seem possible with AS as it is. I 
>would like to use the 'send mail' applescript statement to create a 
>file mail including resources, but still be abble to totally rewrite 
>the whole data part, not only the body.
>So, I thought it would be great if send mail
>a) returns the file path
>	or
>b) includes an option to let the body string overwrite the header
>
>Is it possible, or is there a workaround I haven't thought of?

When the Send Mail is not enough, you can use the more "manual" 
SetRFC and SetRes. Use plain AppleScript to create the data fork and 
include a single dummy RFC field, then use SetRFC to update the RFC 
header with your fields.

Subject: 4.2.1b6
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 11:26:38 -0500
From: Charles L. Martin <clmartin at theombudsman dot com>

I am just looking at 4.2.1b6, but have a few comments. First, I seem to 
recall that once upon a time, subscriber defaults could be set by 
selecting no subscriber in the subscriber list, and clicking on the 
subscriber button to edit the default subscriber. This does not work, if 
it ever did (I think it did). It's not hard to do it with the list 
defaults, so this is neither a criticism nor a complaint, just a FYI in 
case you intended it to work that way.

Second, I have a suggestion for the documentation regarding multiple 
hosts. The documentation says:

"You create the AutoShare Hosts text file in the AutoShare folder inside 
the System 7 savvy Preferences folder; type in one domain name per line. 
Verify the list of domains by choosing the AutoShare Analysis menu item 
from the server and viewing the AutoShare Analysis file; the bounce 
address is listed first followed by the domains in the hosts file. "

In fact, this does not work. It does work, however, it you select 
"Hosts..." from the Admin Configuration menu, and enter the hosts there. 
Some people may not know that the place to find the host list you must 
match is, in EIMS, found in the Preferences window, under the Server menu 
in EIMS.

I will let you know if I come across any problems, but I must compliment 
Mikael on a spectacular job! You added the things I wished for, and lots 
I never dreamed of! Many thanks for your tireless efforts!

Charles L. Martin
clmartin at theOmbudsman dot com
http://www.theOmbudsman.com/Martin_Law/
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Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 12:41:43 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: 4.2.1b6

At 11:26 -0500 11/14/2000, Charles L. Martin wrote:

>I am just looking at 4.2.1b6, but have a few comments. First, I seem to
>recall that once upon a time, subscriber defaults could be set by
>selecting no subscriber in the subscriber list, and clicking on the
>subscriber button to edit the default subscriber. This does not work, if
>it ever did (I think it did). It's not hard to do it with the list
>defaults, so this is neither a criticism nor a complaint, just a FYI in
>case you intended it to work that way.
>
>Second, I have a suggestion for the documentation regarding multiple
>hosts. The documentation says:
>
>"You create the AutoShare Hosts text file in the AutoShare folder inside
>the System 7 savvy Preferences folder; type in one domain name per line.
>Verify the list of domains by choosing the AutoShare Analysis menu item
>from the server and viewing the AutoShare Analysis file; the bounce
>address is listed first followed by the domains in the hosts file. "
>
>In fact, this does not work. It does work, however, it you select
>"Hosts..." from the Admin Configuration menu, and enter the hosts there.
>Some people may not know that the place to find the host list you must
>match is, in EIMS, found in the Preferences window, under the Server menu
>in EIMS.

Just to let you know that I'll look into these things this evening.

>I will let you know if I come across any problems, but I must compliment
>Mikael on a spectacular job! You added the things I wished for, and lots
>I never dreamed of! Many thanks for your tireless efforts!

Thanks!

Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 19:59:13 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: 4.2.1b6

At 11:26 -0500 11/14/2000, Charles L. Martin wrote:

>I am just looking at 4.2.1b6, but have a few comments. First, I seem to
>recall that once upon a time, subscriber defaults could be set by
>selecting no subscriber in the subscriber list, and clicking on the
>subscriber button to edit the default subscriber. This does not work, if
>it ever did (I think it did). It's not hard to do it with the list
>defaults, so this is neither a criticism nor a complaint, just a FYI in
>case you intended it to work that way.

You are correct. It broke in the Admin at a time when I updated 
AutoShare's AppleScript dictionary. It has now been fixed.

>Second, I have a suggestion for the documentation regarding multiple
>hosts. The documentation says:
>
>"You create the AutoShare Hosts text file in the AutoShare folder inside
>the System 7 savvy Preferences folder; type in one domain name per line.
>Verify the list of domains by choosing the AutoShare Analysis menu item
>from the server and viewing the AutoShare Analysis file; the bounce
>address is listed first followed by the domains in the hosts file. "
>
>In fact, this does not work. It does work, however, it you select
>"Hosts..." from the Admin Configuration menu, and enter the hosts there.

You are mostly correct here. The arcaic text file however still works 
to the extent that entries will be added to the newer resource 
storage when AutoShare is started up. The documentation has now been 
updated.

Thank you!

Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 20:00:32 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: 4.1.1 configuration errors....

At 17:48 -0500 11/1/2000, Joseph D'Andrea wrote:

>Been a while since I had to put a new list online and I'm having 
>some trouble. I think I got all the correct files in place ... I'm 
>using SIMS as the MTA. When I try to configure a list and click on 
>the List Names button, I get the following error:
>
>An error occurred while executing the script of window "List Names": 
>Finder got an error: Can't get name of every item of container 
>"Macintosh HD:System Folder:Preferences:AutoShare:Disabl

Just stumbled across this. It happens when the Disabled Lists folder 
is empty. Has now been fixed. Thank you.