Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 18:39:59 -0500
From: Andrew Wimmer <wimmer at sofie dot org>
Subject: Serving Multiple Domains

I'd appreciate any help you can give me in configuring AutoShare 2.4 to
handle multiple domains with SIMS.  I have set up the host file and the
multiple preference files for 4 domains.  If I set the preferences to a
single domain and send a message to a list in that domain, it is processed
as it should be.  If I set the preferences to ALL, the message is not
handled by the preference for the correct domain and the message is
returned with "the domain of your recipient is not valid."  I'm sure I'm
missing a step.  Thanks.
Andrew Wimmer



Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 18:47:31 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Serving Multiple Domains

At 18:39 -0500 9/22/98, Andrew Wimmer wrote:

>I'd appreciate any help you can give me in configuring AutoShare 2.4 to
>handle multiple domains with SIMS.  I have set up the host file and the
>multiple preference files for 4 domains.  If I set the preferences to a
>single domain and send a message to a list in that domain, it is processed
>as it should be.  If I set the preferences to ALL, the message is not
>handled by the preference for the correct domain and the message is
>returned with "the domain of your recipient is not valid."  I'm sure I'm
>missing a step.  Thanks.

With multiple AutoShare preference sets aimed at multiple domains, you need 
multiple and entirely independent preference *folders*, not just preference 
files. Each folder has its own preference file, log file etc (perhaps even 
host file too if needed), and each preference set also call for separate 
sets of Filed Mail folder, Document folder etc. Each such preference world 
is like running a regular AutoShare.

The "the domain of your recipient is not valid" error calls for adding 
another, usually related, domain to the respective host file. Not related 
to multiple preference sets though, which deal with unrelated domains.

Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 15:32:10 +0200
From: Jan Koudelka <koudelka at appleklub dot cz>
Subject: Re: AutoShare Remote Admin CGI

>At 10:20 +0200 9/22/98, Jan Koudelka wrote:
>
>>Is anybody using my AutoShare Remote Admin CGI?
>
>It offers a neat interface to the preferences across the Internet, so I
>hope that it'll be updated for the 3.0 release. Honza, did you include
>sample CGI URLs in your notes?

It is currently under realm, I have to discuss this possibility with our
Webmaster...

HOnza

Subject: key in subject.
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 21:49:47 -0400
From: Eric Mings <elm at ao dot net>

Did the suggestion to append the mailback code to the subject (rather 
than replacing the subject with just the code as is now possible) make it 
into version three? It would really be helpful for recipients to see a 
meaningful subject (with the code appended) in order for them to easily 
identify and respond to the mailback request. Thanks!


Regards,

Eric Mings Ph.D.


Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 20:15:03 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: key in subject.

At 21:49 -0400 9/23/98, Eric Mings wrote:

>Did the suggestion to append the mailback code to the subject (rather
>than replacing the subject with just the code as is now possible) make
>it into version three?

Yes, it's in there.

Subject: Re: AutoShare-Talk digest 24 Sep 1998
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 98 16:52:06 -0400
From: Emiliano <subscriptions at lifelong dot com>

I am having difficulty with bounce. Can I set it up so that any bounced 
e-mail addresses are automatically deleted from the subscriber list? I 
thought that was what a hard bounce was but it does not seem to be 
working.

Thanks
Emiliano

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Subject: Re: key in subject
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 17:22:38 -0400
From: Eric Mings <elm at ao dot net>

Thanks for the key subject change, it is much more obvious now as you 
have it (example):

"Your confirmation code is b23014db"

I am wondering if it is possible for me to change the subject slightly 
using resedit or in some other manner. That would be nice, but either way 
it's a big improvement for purposes. Thanks.

Regards,

Eric Mings Ph.D.

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Subject: key in subject DOESN'T WORK!
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 19:14:31 -0400
From: Eric Mings <elm at ao dot net>


Since I installed the latest beta that appends the key to the end of the 
subject it does not work. Each time a key is mailed back (via the reply) 
it only creates a new mailback message with a new key sent out. The key 
is never processed!


Regards,

Eric Mings Ph.D.


Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 17:12:18 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: key in subject

At 17:22 -0400 9/24/98, Eric Mings wrote:

>Thanks for the key subject change, it is much more obvious now as you
>have it (example):
>
>"Your confirmation code is b23014db"
>
>I am wondering if it is possible for me to change the subject slightly
>using resedit or in some other manner. That would be nice, but either way
>it's a big improvement for purposes. Thanks.

Create a language file holding no more than the line

1111 1 = Your confirmation code is

and then change the text string to whatever you feel like.

Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 17:17:02 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: AutoShare-Talk digest 24 Sep 1998

At 16:52 -0400 9/24/98, Emiliano wrote:

>I am having difficulty with bounce. Can I set it up so that any bounced
>e-mail addresses are automatically deleted from the subscriber list? I
>thought that was what a hard bounce was but it does not seem to be
>working.

If AutoShare supports the bounce format and it is not a hard bounce, it'll 
be treated as a soft bounce. The subscriber will then automatically be 
unsubscribed once it has been determined that the subscriber address is not 
stable. Hope that helps.

Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 22:34:26 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: AutoShare 3.0b7

The 3.0b7 archive has been uploaded to

  <ftp://ftp.dnai.com/users/m/meh/AutoShare/Beta/>

b7 adds the setres, getres and run commands to remote administration by 
e-mail and also updates the alias command. See the documentation for 
details.

Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 22:27:30 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: key in subject DOESN'T WORK!

At 19:14 -0400 9/24/98, Eric Mings wrote:

>Since I installed the latest beta that appends the key to the end of the
>subject it does not work. Each time a key is mailed back (via the reply)
>it only creates a new mailback message with a new key sent out. The key
>is never processed!

It didn't pick up the last word for some reason. Okay in b7.

Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 10:42:09 +0200
From: Detlef Beyer <d.beyer at hermes dot de>
Subject: Strings in the Web-Archive...

Hi,

is there any way to change the generated html of the html archive - permanently?
For example I would like to translate header and footer (Archives for the ... list)?!

Detlef



Date: 25 Sep 98 09:04:33 -0500
From: Chuck Boody <chuck_boody at hopkins.k12.mn dot us>
Subject: RE: AutoShare 3.0b7

Autoshare beta 3.0b7 is now available by mail.

Send a message to =

mailit at stumail.hopkins.k12.mn dot us

with the word

autosharebeta

in the subject.  The latest beta will be returned to you by e-mail.

Contact me directly if you have any trouble with this service.

Chuck Boody
analyst/programmer
ISD 270

chuck_boody at hopkins.k12.mn dot us
=============



Subject: AutoShare 3.0b7
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 98 19:42:52 -0500
From: Jon & Janelle Gardner <jgardner at kairosnet dot com>


AutoShare 3.0b7 is available at <ftp://ftp.cbc.bryan.tx.us/as/>

Jon

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 23:26:13 -0400
From: Jerry Thompson <mlists at ppdirect dot com>
Subject: Re: AutoShare-Talk digest 24 Sep 1998

>At 16:52 -0400 9/24/98, Emiliano wrote:
>
>>I am having difficulty with bounce. Can I set it up so that any bounced
>>e-mail addresses are automatically deleted from the subscriber list? I
>>thought that was what a hard bounce was but it does not seem to be
>>working.
>
>If AutoShare supports the bounce format and it is not a hard bounce, it'll
>be treated as a soft bounce. The subscriber will then automatically be
>unsubscribed once it has been determined that the subscriber address is not
>stable. Hope that helps.


Is there any way to set how soon or long it will take before a user is hard
unsubscribed?


Thanks
Jerry



Subject: Key in subject
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 09:11:02 -0400
From: Eric Mings <elm at ao dot net>

Michael wrote:

>Create a language file holding no more than the line
>
>1111 1 = Your confirmation code is
>
>and then change the text string to whatever you feel like.

Please bear with my ignorance and tell me:

1. What is a language file?
2. What do I do to get autoshare to use it?
3. Is it possible to have mailbox specific mailback subject headers?

P.S. Thanks for  releasing a fix for the mailback subject code so 
quickly! 

Regards,

Eric Mings Ph.D.

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Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 09:30:02 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Strings in the Web-Archive...

At 10:42 +0200 9/25/98, Detlef Beyer wrote:

>is there any way to change the generated html of the html archive -
>permanently? For example I would like to translate header and footer
>(Archives for the ... list)?!

Sure. Send me the strings, and I'll enable them for the language files.

Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 10:48:20 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Key in subject

At 09:11 -0400 9/26/98, Eric Mings wrote:

>1. What is a language file?
>2. What do I do to get autoshare to use it?

There is a link to list-specific language files at the beginning of the 
AutoShare 3.0 documentation. The language files is a way for the 
administrator to customize text viewed by subscribers.

I'm going to change my mind though, I think. When the mail-back code is 
configured to be in the body (no letter j in the Misc Stuff field), the 
/=subject token parameter in the Mailback document in AutoShare document 
folder creates a new subject. I'm going to let this apply as well, when the 
mail-back code is configured to be in the subject (a letter j in the Misc 
Stuff field). This means that there is no need to support this string in 
the language files.

>3. Is it possible to have mailbox specific mailback subject headers?

(Once the above is okay:) Yes, rename the Mailback file to Default and put 
it inside a Mailback folder, also inside the AutoShare document folder. The 
Mailback folder may also hold documents with names of lists.

>P.S. Thanks for releasing a fix for the mailback subject code so quickly!

Pure luck :-)

Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 08:59:22 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: AutoShare-Talk digest 24 Sep 1998

At 23:26 -0400 9/25/98, Jerry Thompson wrote:

>Is there any way to set how soon or long it will take before a user is
>hard unsubscribed?

Hard unsubscribed per definition means that it is subscribed immediately. 
You can apply soft bounce behaviour to hard bounces by changing the Hard 
Unsubscribe field in the Admin's Yet More List window to No.


Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 16:36:04 -0500
From: Andrew Wimmer <wimmer at sofie dot org>
Subject: From Addresses

I'm in the process of converting a few dozen lists from ListSTAR to an
AutoShare/SIMS setup.  Thanks, Mikael, for all your diligent work over the
past couple of years.  AutoShare is full-featured and well implemented.
Here are a couple of observations and questions.

1. Even with my <unknown> account in SIMS being used for another purpose, I
was able to avoid creating mutiple accounts.  A single router entry for
each list (with wildcard) sends mail to the AutoShare folder and allows all
of the list-on, list-off, etc. permutations.  This is very nice.
E.g., <newlist*> = autoshare
I make use of the Work List option to name the two distribution accounts
according to a scheme that doesn't conflict with the wildcard router entry.

2. I've noticed inconsistency in the way in which the list name appears.
Here's what I see:
List postings show
To: testlist at domain dot org (Subscribers of testlist)
Digests show
To: testlist at sofie dot org (Subscribers of TestList)
It seems that in the first case "testlist" is being pulled from the first
part of the email address of the list and in the second case "TestList" is
being taken from the name of the listserver file.  I guess I can change the
way I've entered the email address of the list if I want to see it in upper
case.

3.  I currently have some of my ListSTAR lists set up to show the From:
address of list postings as the list itself rather than the original
sender.  Is it possible to do that in AutoShare?  If not, I see that the
From: address of the digest is the list itself, so could that address be
made available for use with postings as well?

Thanks for all your help.  The AutoShare/SIMS combination has dramatically
reduced the time it takes to process a list and is working like a charm.

Andrew Wimmer

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Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 10:19:16 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: From Addresses

At 16:36 -0500 9/26/98, Andrew Wimmer wrote:

>I'm in the process of converting a few dozen lists from ListSTAR to an
>AutoShare/SIMS setup.  Thanks, Mikael, for all your diligent work over the
>past couple of years.  AutoShare is full-featured and well implemented.

Thanks!

>Here are a couple of observations and questions.
>
>1. Even with my <unknown> account in SIMS being used for another purpose, I
>was able to avoid creating mutiple accounts.  A single router entry for
>each list (with wildcard) sends mail to the AutoShare folder and allows all
>of the list-on, list-off, etc. permutations.  This is very nice.
>E.g., <newlist*> = autoshare
>I make use of the Work List option to name the two distribution accounts
>according to a scheme that doesn't conflict with the wildcard router entry.

That's interesting. Jonathan, Honza, others?

>2. I've noticed inconsistency in the way in which the list name appears.
>Here's what I see:
>List postings show
>To: testlist at domain dot org (Subscribers of testlist)
>Digests show
>To: testlist at sofie dot org (Subscribers of TestList)
>It seems that in the first case "testlist" is being pulled from the first
>part of the email address of the list and in the second case "TestList" is
>being taken from the name of the listserver file.  I guess I can change the
>way I've entered the email address of the list if I want to see it in upper
>case.

Yes, the list name source of list contributions is the original To field, 
while digests pick it up from the list file name.

>3.  I currently have some of my ListSTAR lists set up to show the From:
>address of list postings as the list itself rather than the original
>sender.  Is it possible to do that in AutoShare?  If not, I see that the
>From: address of the digest is the list itself, so could that address be
>made available for use with postings as well?

While this is not a personal favorite of mine as you can't tell the list 
contributor from the mail client's mailbox window, it's easy to optionally 
implement it for list contributions (as long as it stops there!).

>Thanks for all your help.  The AutoShare/SIMS combination has dramatically
>reduced the time it takes to process a list and is working like a charm.

Thanks again!

Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 16:15:39 -0400
From: Jonathan Shaw <jls4 at cwru dot edu>
Subject: Re: From Addresses

>>1. Even with my <unknown> account in SIMS being used for another purpose, I
>>was able to avoid creating mutiple accounts.  A single router entry for
>>each list (with wildcard) sends mail to the AutoShare folder and allows all
>>of the list-on, list-off, etc. permutations.  This is very nice.
>>E.g., <newlist*> = autoshare
>>I make use of the Work List option to name the two distribution accounts
>>according to a scheme that doesn't conflict with the wildcard router entry.
>
>That's interesting. Jonathan, Honza, others?

This sounds like some really good logic to me. Andrew has really studied
this matter, it would seem!

>>Thanks for all your help.  The AutoShare/SIMS combination has dramatically
>>reduced the time it takes to process a list and is working like a charm.

Yes, thank you, Mikael! When I switched from Macjordomo/EIMS to
AutoShare/SIMS, I too noticed a remarkable speed increase and a slew of new
features.

-Jonathan {;-)
Visit <http://b62968.cwru.edu/> for a good laugh.

There are 3 kinds of people: Those who make things happen, those who watch
things happen and those who wonder what happened.



Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 19:47:32 -0500
From: Andrew Wimmer <wimmer at sofie dot org>
Subject: Re: From Addresses

>>3.  I currently have some of my ListSTAR lists set up to show the From:
>>address of list postings as the list itself rather than the original
>>sender.  Is it possible to do that in AutoShare?  If not, I see that the
>>From: address of the digest is the list itself, so could that address be
>>made available for use with postings as well?
>
>While this is not a personal favorite of mine as you can't tell the list
>contributor from the mail client's mailbox window, it's easy to optionally
>implement it for list contributions (as long as it stops there!).

I agree with you.  I have all but one of my current lists set to show the
message coming from the original sender.  I have one group, though, that is
adamant about having the From: address show the list.  They're afraid that
list members will inadvertantly send a personal response to the list.

When you say this could be easily implemented as an option, does that mean
you need to do something or is it something I can change with ResEdit.  If
you need to make the change, when would it be reasonable to look for it.
Thanks.

Yours,
Andrew Wimmer



Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 18:29:43 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: From Addresses

At 19:47 -0500 9/27/98, Andrew Wimmer wrote:

>When you say this could be easily implemented as an option, does that mean
>you need to do something or is it something I can change with ResEdit.  If
>you need to make the change, when would it be reasonable to look for it.

It's implemented in b8, perhaps uploaded this evening. Adding a given 
letter in the List Stuff field for the given list will then do it for you.

Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 20:57:23 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: AutoShare 3.0b8

The 3.0b8 archive has been uploaded to

  <ftp://ftp.dnai.com/users/m/meh/AutoShare/Beta/>

b8 addresses the discussion with Eric to let the mailback subject key be 
configurable per the Mailback document's /=subject token as well as 
Andrew's need to have the From field of list contributions be the list (add 
the letter m to the List Stuff field). Detlef, Honza and others, note that 
1111 1 no longer exists and shouldn't appear in language files; new is 
"1009 48 list".

The remote Alias command now supports paths and file names with spaces in 
all parameters, if you replace spaces with &'s. The System command supports 
Dir as the 4th word.

Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 20:24:56 +0200
From: Jan Koudelka <koudelka at appleklub dot cz>
Subject: Arhives sorting

I thought I asked already, but I do not remember any answer, so I rather
ask again:

Do you think about option to cut archives not by lengt, but by time period?
I mean to let user to decide, if he wants separate archive files for every
X lines, or every X days/weeks/months.

I thing a lot of people will appreciate weekly or monthly archives.


And, at the second, also a choice of sorting by subject would be great
together with time-sorting. The archives would be much more powerfull that
way. For example, archive of this list, sorted by subject, would be a very
good FAQ for AutoShare.

HOnza

Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 20:46:06 +0200
From: Jan Koudelka <koudelka at appleklub dot cz>
Subject: Re: From Addresses

>>>1. Even with my <unknown> account in SIMS being used for another purpose, I
>>>was able to avoid creating mutiple accounts.  A single router entry for
>>>each list (with wildcard) sends mail to the AutoShare folder and allows all
>>>of the list-on, list-off, etc. permutations.  This is very nice.
>>>E.g., <newlist*> = autoshare
>>>I make use of the Work List option to name the two distribution accounts
>>>according to a scheme that doesn't conflict with the wildcard router entry.
>>
>>That's interesting. Jonathan, Honza, others?
>
>This sounds like some really good logic to me. Andrew has really studied
>this matter, it would seem!

I say "Welcome" to another sharp (is that the right word?) AutoShare
user... :-)

That's very useful dicovery for me, because the only one argument against
using AutoShare to process the "unknown" account was overall performance of
our multipurpose server. Now (thanks to Andrew) I know I can let SIMS
process all badly addressed mails, still without creating tens of accounts
for every new list.

>>>Thanks for all your help.  The AutoShare/SIMS combination has dramatically
>>>reduced the time it takes to process a list and is working like a charm.
>
>Yes, thank you, Mikael! When I switched from Macjordomo/EIMS to
>AutoShare/SIMS, I too noticed a remarkable speed increase and a slew of new
>features.

I have a little bit stupid question about SIMS: What are those monitoring
windows for? I was never able to read more than the first letter of
displayed message (about the message currently being processed), because it
disappeared too quickly... :-))

HOnza

Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 08:12:06 -0700
From: Camelot Administrator <camelot.admin at lmco dot com>
Subject: AutoShare 3.0b8  Mirror

At 8:57 PM -0700 on 9/27/98, Mikael Hansen wrote:


> The 3.0b8 archive has been uploaded to
>
>   <ftp://ftp.dnai.com/users/m/meh/AutoShare/Beta/>
>
> b8 addresses the discussion with Eric to let the mailback subject key be
> configurable per the Mailback document's /=subject token as well as
> Andrew's need to have the From field of list contributions be the list (add
> the letter m to the List Stuff field). Detlef, Honza and others, note that
> 1111 1 no longer exists and shouldn't appear in language files; new is
> "1009 48 list".
>
> The remote Alias command now supports paths and file names with spaces in
> all parameters, if you replace spaces with &'s. The System command supports
> Dir as the 4th word.
>

U.S. Web Mirror
---------------

http://pascal-central.com/autoshare/beta/Autoshare3.0b8.sit


Note: You can always see a list of recent betas by visiting
http://pascal-central.com/autoshare/beta/.

Cheers,
Bill

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 08:26:17 -0700
From: Camelot Administrator <camelot.admin at lmco dot com>
Subject: Autoshare Request

Hello,

First of all, I agree with all those thanking Mikael for Autoshare.  I've
used several kinds of list server programs in the past, and this one is the
best.  It not only rocks, but Mikael just keeps improving it!  It's
sometimes difficult for me to keep up.  :)

Now, on to my request....  on several occasions, I've wanted to know on
what date a particular subscriber came into the list.  Would it be much
trouble to expand the list database to include a subscription date?  It
sounds like something that may go beyond the boundaries of what Autoshare
does (i.e., I don't get the impression that it's meant to be anything like
a database engine), but keeping track of the subscription dates would
really help me manage the list.  For example, if I see bounces on a
particular address, I can better decide how to handle it if I knew how long
the member had been subscribed (aka, recent subscribers versus long-time
members).  It also provides a good history of the growth of the list (I
have a couple of lists which are relatively large), and I think there's a
couple of other reasons I've wanted to know but just cannot think of them
at the moment.  What do you think?

On a completely different note, I've noticed a few members of this list are
now using SIMS versus EIMS.  I'm still using the freeware version of EIMS
1.2, but if SIMS is just as stable but provides more features and is free,
I would like to move in that direction as well.  Any comments and/or advice?

Thanks,
Bill

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 12:36:43 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Arhives sorting

Honza, I'll look into it. Thanks.

Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 12:41:47 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Autoshare Request

At 08:26 -0700 9/29/98, Camelot Administrator wrote:

>First of all, I agree with all those thanking Mikael for Autoshare.  I've
>used several kinds of list server programs in the past, and this one is the
>best.  It not only rocks, but Mikael just keeps improving it!  It's
>sometimes difficult for me to keep up.  :)

Thanks!

>Now, on to my request....  on several occasions, I've wanted to know on
>what date a particular subscriber came into the list.  Would it be much
>trouble to expand the list database to include a subscription date?

The new built-in database format for subscribers in 3.0 is aimed at just 
that, see the documentation. You can design additional subscriber fields 
any way you like them. I suggest that you set up a test list using the new 
format and play with it until you feel comfortable with it before getting 
serious.


Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 15:11:27 -0500
From: Andrew Wimmer <wimmer at sofie dot org>
Subject: Re: From Addresses

Mikael wrote in response to my question about From: addresses--

>Yes, the list name source of list contributions is the original To field,
>while digests pick it up from the list file name.

Is there a reason for doing it this way?  It's not a major issue, but I
would like to see consistency so that users see (Subscribers of TestList)
all the time, rather than (Subscribers of testlist) sometimes, and
(Subscribers of TestList) at other times.  Couldn't AutoShare always pick
up the name from the list file name so the administrator could control its
appearance?

Thanks for the quick implementation of the "m" in List Stuff.  It makes one
of list managers very happy--though I also prefer to see the message coming
from the original sender!

Yours,
Andrew Wimmer



Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 17:22:37 -0400
From: Jonathan Shaw <jls4 at cwru dot edu>
Subject: Re: Autoshare Request

>On a completely different note, I've noticed a few members of this list are
>now using SIMS versus EIMS.  I'm still using the freeware version of EIMS
>1.2, but if SIMS is just as stable but provides more features and is free,
>I would like to move in that direction as well.  Any comments and/or advice?

I like SIMS a good deal. However, I think it may not work with OS 8.5... if
you are considering upgrading to 8.5, you may wish to check into that
further. The latest SIMS release is 1.7b3, and is available through
<ftp://ftp.stalker.com/>. If you download the file called SIMS.sit.hqx (or
something really close to that), you will receive version 1.6 instead... so
be sure to look for the 1.7b3 copy of it (in the same directory).

If anyone is running 8.5 and SIMS on the same machine successfully, please
let me know! Right now I am running EIMS 1.2.1, and I forgot how slow it is.

-Jonathan {;-)
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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 15:45:06 -0700
From: Camelot Administrator <camelot.admin at lmco dot com>
Subject: What happened to balloon help?

Hi,

I just installed the latest beta, and there is no balloon help working for
Autoshare Admin.  I've verified that it works for everything else, just not
for the Admin program.  I know it used to!  Any ideas?

Bill

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 15:52:57 -0700
From: Camelot Administrator <camelot.admin at lmco dot com>
Subject: Admin beta again

I'm still in the latest beta for Autoshare Admin, and now I click on "More
List", and got the following error:

"An error occurred while executing the script of window "More List": Can't
get <<clas cDba>> of {<<class cLsl>>:" gm4beta", <<class
cEmL>>:"camelot.admin@lmco dot com", <<class cNaL>>: "GM4 Beta Testing...

The rest appears to be cut off, and then it brought up the more list window
with all values blanked out.  I reverted back to Autoshare Admin which came
with Autoshare 2.4, and this problem went away (although Balloon Help still
didn't work).

Another problem I seem to be experiencing (don't know when it started) is
when I use the list owner address to post a message which exceeds the size
limit (i.e., if anyone else tried to post, it would bounce).  This used to
work; however, now it even bounces when I post via the list owner.  What's
up with that?

Bill

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 16:03:58 -0700
From: Camelot Administrator <camelot.admin at lmco dot com>
Subject: Re: Admin beta again

At 3:52 PM -0700 on 9/29/98, Camelot Administrator wrote:


> I'm still in the latest beta for Autoshare Admin, and now I click on "More
> List", and got the following error:
>
> "An error occurred while executing the script of window "More List": Can't
> get <<clas cDba>> of {<<class cLsl>>:" gm4beta", <<class
> cEmL>>:"camelot.admin@lmco dot com", <<class cNaL>>: "GM4 Beta Testing...
>
> The rest appears to be cut off, and then it brought up the more list window
> with all values blanked out.  I reverted back to Autoshare Admin which came
> with Autoshare 2.4, and this problem went away (although Balloon Help still
> didn't work).
>

I think I may have solved this one.  It appears that my Tilery link had a
problem with opening Autoshare 3.0b8, so instead it opened Autoshare 2.4.
So I went and closed that down, and then manually tried to boot Autoshare
3.0b8, and got the following error:

The application "Autoshare" could not be opened because
"ICAp;InternetConfigLib" could not be found.

So, I've gone back to 2.4 for now.

> Another problem I seem to be experiencing (don't know when it started) is
> when I use the list owner address to post a message which exceeds the size
> limit (i.e., if anyone else tried to post, it would bounce).  This used to
> work; however, now it even bounces when I post via the list owner.  What's
> up with that?
>

This is a problem I was having with 2.4, so I'm still looking to resolve it.

Thanks,
Bill

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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 01:57:26 +0100
Subject: Re: Admin beta again
From: "James Berriman" <james at dcl.co dot uk>

Bill wrote:

>So I went and closed that down, and then manually tried to boot Autoshare
>3.0b8, and got the following error:
>
>The application "Autoshare" could not be opened because
>"ICAp;InternetConfigLib" could not be found.

I think this first cropped up a few weeks ago. There was a point where an
AutoShare beta required Internet Config 2.x to be installed.

( :-])  James

Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 18:27:20 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: What happened to balloon help?

At 15:45 -0700 9/29/98, Camelot Administrator wrote:

>I just installed the latest beta, and there is no balloon help working for
>Autoshare Admin.  I've verified that it works for everything else, just not
>for the Admin program.  I know it used to!  Any ideas?

My mistake. Increase the preferred memory size by, say, 50K.

Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 22:31:00 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Admin beta again

At 01:57 +0100 9/30/98, James Berriman wrote:

>>The application "Autoshare" could not be opened because
>>"ICAp;InternetConfigLib" could not be found.
>
>I think this first cropped up a few weeks ago. There was a point where
>an AutoShare beta required Internet Config 2.x to be installed.

It doesn't make sense to me and I'm looking into it, but the IC 2.0 
extension must be present for the PPC version of the 3.0 beta.

Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 22:54:58 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: From Addresses

At 15:11 -0500 9/29/98, Andrew Wimmer wrote:

>Mikael wrote in response to my question about From: addresses--
>
>>Yes, the list name source of list contributions is the original To field,
>>while digests pick it up from the list file name.
>
>Is there a reason for doing it this way?

Probably, but I don't remember. There is of course a distinction to be made 
about an e-mail address and its comments part, and I did go out of my way 
to have the list name in the comments part for the "from list" feature be 
case-sensitive with respect to the list file name (because that's what 
subscribers will see in their mailbox windows). I can do the same for the 
To and Reply-To fields (the latter actually matters more than the former, 
because it'll become the To field of a response).

Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 16:21:25 -0500
From: Andrew Wimmer <wimmer at sofie dot org>
Subject: Multiple Domains and SIMS

I'd appreciate some help from someone who has multiple domains set up in
SIMS using multiple preference sets.  Everything is working well except the
configuration of the autoshare account.  I've used the List Label setting
to append a label to each of the non-default autoshare accounts, but
autoshare is not processing requests when I use autoshare1 at domain1 dot org, for
example.  If I remove the List Label from the preference for that domain
and redirect the autoshare account to that domain, autoshare at domain1 dot org,
it works as it should.  I've restarted AutoShare between changes just to
make sure the prefs were registering, but I think I'm overlooking something.
Thanks,
Andrew Wimmer



Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 21:48:31 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Multiple Domains and SIMS

At 16:21 -0500 9/30/98, Andrew Wimmer wrote:

>I'd appreciate some help from someone who has multiple domains set up in
>SIMS using multiple preference sets.

>If I remove the List Label from the preference for that domain and
>redirect the autoshare account to that domain, autoshare at domain1 dot org,
>it works as it should.

You are there already :-)

>but I think I'm overlooking something.

From the documentation: "It is however possible to arrange for 
multi-preference sets within a single-domain environment as long as you 
avoid conflicting user names for the special accounts", which doesn't apply 
to your environment as you have multiple domains set up in SIMS.

Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 07:16:26 +0200
From: Detlef Beyer <d.beyer at crash dot de>
Subject: text-coding

Howdy,

I'm still confused with the MIME settings of AS. Normaly I use MIME allways=
 wich works fine - including the german special chars (ASCII > 127).

But now I tried to combine Lasso and AS. Lasso uses an external text=
 document to generate the body of the mail. This works - but I loose my=
 special chars > 127 and I often get a translation error when receiving the=
 mail. The text files send by Lasso do contain for example a single line=
 like "sub mylist". The SUB file AS will send when to confirm the new=
 subscription get's crunshed (ASCII > 127) - when I send the "sub mylist"=
 directly from my mail client - everything works fine. So the Lasso-Mail=
 must have something special (wich I can't find) in it...

Any idea?

Detlef

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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 23:45:37 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: AutoShare 3.0b9

The 3.0b9 archive has been uploaded to

  <ftp://ftp.dnai.com/users/m/meh/AutoShare/Beta/>

New in b9
-compiled using CW4
-IC 2.0 error at start-up fixed
-updated sample language files
-refined dir response with remote system command
-case-sensitivity in contributions for To and Reply-To
-roll-over based on messages, file sizes or time

I haven't had time to test or document the last one (plus no time the next 
few days), but the values (in the Messages field in the Admin's List 
window) are now divided into 4 parts: 0: no roll-over as usual, 1-1000: 
number of messages as usual, > 1000: file size of archive pair in bytes, < 
0: number of hours between roll-overs (Honza, please send me feedback).

Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 00:15:27 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: text-coding

At 07:16 +0200 10/1/98, Detlef Beyer wrote:

>I'm still confused with the MIME settings of AS. Normaly I use MIME allways
>wich works fine - including the german special chars (ASCII > 127).

MIME Always also does QP for messages not originated by AutoShare.

>But now I tried to combine Lasso and AS. Lasso uses an external text document
>to generate the body of the mail. This works - but I loose my special chars >
>127 and I often get a translation error when receiving the mail.

Could you send me some before/after files (Stuffit'ed)? Thanks.

Subject: Subject token in monthly help file?
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 98 08:02:12 -0500
From: Jon & Janelle Gardner <jgardner at kairosnet dot com>

At the top of a monthly help file (AS 2.4), I have the /=subject token; 
however, when the help file is sent out, the token doesn't get parsed and 
shows up "as-is" on the first line of the email. Is this proper 
behaviour? The line reads as follows:

/=subject Check your A/C filters...

Any ideas?

Jon

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Date: 01 Oct 98 08:17:15 -0500
From: Chuck Boody <chuck_boody at hopkins.k12.mn dot us>
Subject: RE: AutoShare 3.0b9

Autoshare beta 3.0b9 is now available by mail.

Send a message to =

mailit at stumail.hopkins.k12.mn dot us

with the word

autosharebeta

in the subject.  The latest beta will be returned to you by e-mail.

Contact me directly if you have any trouble with this service.

Chuck Boody
analyst/programmer
ISD 270

chuck_boody at hopkins.k12.mn dot us
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Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 07:13:59 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: AutoShare 3.0b9

At 23:45 -0700 9/30/98, Mikael Hansen wrote:

>-roll-over based on messages, file sizes or time
>
>I haven't had time to test or document the last one

And it shows. It's broken, don't bother at this time.

Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 17:48:49 +0200
From: Detlef Beyer <d.beyer at crash dot de>
Subject: Re: AutoShare 3.0b9

Hi,

I'm running AS with three domains and three pref sets. Works fine so far.
I just programmed two simple process extenders: "Subscribe" and "Unsubscribe=
".
I tested them and everything was fine. Then I removed a debug-line from the=
 AppleScript (display dialog) and saved the applescript app again.
Now I tested again and nothing happend - took my nearly one hour until I=
 realized that the process extenders don't get called by AS from the domain=
 I build them for - this domain seems not to sent any AppleEvents. One of=
 the others works fine and sends an AppleEvent to the process extenders...
Can I switch of the process extenders for a pref-set?

Thanxs for any help - I'm confused,

Det